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[DuskWanderer]

Title says it all. Did your opinion on any characters change, either slightly or drastically, over the course of the series? Mine did, and here's my opinion on them.

Ashley - My opinion of her actually didn't change in ME2 where everyone seems to pile the hate on her for her cameo. Shepard is a traitor, and look no further than ME3 (or even, what they did in ME1) to realize that. In ME3, I found myself really annoyed with her, and only chose her to survive Virmire once to get her skills. It felt shoehorned that her mom and sisters were on Earth when they actually lived on a colony. It seemed like a cheap way to get her personally involved. 

Kaidan - Just like Ashley, my opinion of him didn't change in 2. In 3, it went up. Gameplay wise, for the most part, now they made him unique in his skills. But even plotline wise, he grows up, he learns, he acts in a believable way. Also, his femShep romance (carried over from ME1) is, by and large, the most believable romance in the series, having all the dynamics a relationship should have. 

Liara - In the first game, I just found her forgettable. The best thing about her actually came from Benezia ("Good night, little wing"), and I otherwise never even paid attention (I didn't even remember where she was in ME1 the first two times I played). The 2nd game was still forgettable, I thought the "Flay you with my mind" line was bad, but it was just one thing. Then, Lair of the Shadow Broker came out, and my opinion went completely downhill. Character focused episodes need strong, powerful characters for them to work, and Liara had a very wishy-washy development that felt like a bunch of writers wrote their own thing, and then stuck it all together. The third game continued this, and I felt as though Liara was constantly pushed on me as my confidant and closest friend, when she wasn't. I really wish I had the opportunity to tell her to shut up. Her whining at Thessia clinched it for me, and she's now my completely least favorite character.

Wrex - In ME1 he was kinda funny, but (like all the characters) was mostly interchangable with everyone else. I saved him on Virmire the first time because I only had the one game and I try to complete everything. In ME2 he was nice, but forgettable, he was just there, after all. In the 3rd game, however, my opinion tanked immensely. I blame the writer's, mostly, but the complex morality of the genophage brought up by Mordin in 2 was ignored, turning it into a black and white, obvious, thing. Wrex made a notorious number of bad decisions that, as a leader, are inexcusable, and he basically gets a free pass for it. The Citadel DLC annoyed me when he was in it, because there was so much focus and shilling by the other party members, when they'd insult everyone else. Show, don't tell is the rule. But it's even better to show and not tell at all. 

Garrus - Garrus is the prime example of how a supporting cast member should be. In ME1 he was forgettable, but in ME2, he was utterly fantastic. Just enough focus to develop his personality, keeping with those turian details from the Codex (like his personal guilt for Sidonis, as turians deal with betrayal by blaming themselves). But he doesn't steal the show from Shepard, it's still Shepard's story and Garrus's overlaps, but doesn't take it away. His war-buddy aspect works great for either gender, and it comes across in a very believable fashion. Although, I have to say that his romance is cheesy, ridiculous, and comes out of nowhere. The friend dynamic is infinitely stronger.

Tali - Just like Garrus, but on a smaller scale. She handled the focus parts in ME3 infinitely better than Liara did, because it was still about Shepard fighting the geth with the Admirals, not Tali doing it and Shepard being along for the ride. ME1 she was forgettable, ME2 she was good. Not Garrus good, but good. Her romance, though, came off more believable. Part of it was probably the rescue from the wards part. It felt like admiration that would blossom to love, eather than Garrus's, which was solwly platonic.

Miranda - Liked her a lot more in 3, when she wasn't begging Shepard to stop what he was doing and fix her problems. She also didn't complain, only got frustrated. 

Jacob - Hated him for cheating, going from his Blando Calrissan aspects in 2. Seriously, he was nothing in ME2 (in a story about characters), and it felt like that was just a ridiculous stunt by the writers to get a reaction from us. It did, though.

Samara - She became more awesome and three-dimensional in ME3, and the Citadel DLC.

Zaeed - Character development in ME3 (and his hilariousness in the Citadel DLC) made me like him a lot.

Aria - Didn't think much of her in ME2, and I despised her in ME3 (specifically the Omega DLC, I liked her role in the main game.) I couldn't make her freaking shut up. 


No one else really changed. Mordin was always awesome, Grunt was always funny, Kasumi provided a necessary dynamic, Thane was pretty cool in a downplayed way. Kirrahe was awesome, and Legion was very thought provoking. 


What is the rest of the community's opinions? 

[mk123]

I really liked Wrex's arc, actually. He starts out in ME1 quite bitter, having basically given up on the krogan and any hope for dealing with the genophage ('What do you want me to do about it, Shepard? I'm no hero.'). Then in ME2 you see he's trying to change things on Tunchanka, unite the clans and drag them into the future. And in ME3 he's the leader of the krogan and he finally gets to see the genophage cured and for there to be a future for the krogan other than thugs and mercenaries (well, unless you sabotage the genophage, in which case his arc has a more tragic end).

As for other characters... my opinion on Miranda did change during ME2. At first she seemed too ruthless and untrustworthy, but talking to her and her personal quest gave me a bit more insight into why she was like she was, and showed that she really did care for her sister. By ME3 I felt like Shepard and her were really friends (I liked the 'be careful/ no promises' running joke they had as well.)

I liked Samara in ME3 as well, what there was of her. Citadel showed that she did have a sense of humour, and her mission expanded on her conflict between her family and her Code that you sort of see in ME2.

[mk123]

Not a character, but my opinion on the Geth changed immensely. In ME1 they were the typical videogame enemy, provoking annoyance at just how many of them there were. In ME2 we had Legion, who gave an interesting new perspective. And in ME3 we got even more, going into the server and seeing their side of the Morning War. I found myself quite protective of them, and stood up to Han'Gerrel and Daro'Xen in their defence.

[Reorte]

Wrex showed the most character development during ME1 so there was arguably less for him to do later anyway. I find him one of the more interesting characters; there are a few hints here and there with Wrex (and perhaps Grunt from time to time) that the krogan are quite a bit smarter than they appear, they just prefer to use their heads to headbutt problems instead of think about them.

Samara was always a potentially interesting character who came across as someone who could make a tragic mess of her life. She's one of the few asari with any sort of dignity, even with that ridiculous outfit.

As much as I love them Tali and Garrus were fairly bland in ME1 and improved massively from there (and at least Tali stopped sounding quite as shrill).

I've never really found Ashley or Kaidan interesting enough to bother about.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

DuskWanderer wrote...

Garrus - [/b]Garrus is the prime example of how a supporting cast member should be. In ME1 he was forgettable, but in ME2, he was utterly fantastic.

'Disagree. ME1 Garrus was solid, but ME2 Garrus invalidated that part of his character arc entirely. Upon learning the truth about the Reapers in ME1, he doesn't do anything about it, but instead decides to pursue pointless vigilantism (sp?) in a lawless land (lol). Then you have to do a loyalty-mission for him which seems to indicate he learned nothing from the personal quest you did for him in ME1, where you showed him how (paragon or renegade) to handle Dr. Saleon. And other than those things, all he does for the rest of ME2 is parrot "just like old times!" ad nauseum.

Garrus regressed in ME2 and didn't finally get good until ME3.


Anyway, for me...

(^) UP.

1.) Mordin: arguably best character gets better, relevant role and well-done exit (regardless krogan decision).
2.) Legion: same page as Mordin, for the most part. Did not "betray" old character, but made a tough call.
3.) Grunt: biggest mover on my list, character goes from utterly pointless to funny/impressive.
4.) Garrus: finally lives up to expectations, becoming a leader.
5.) Wrex: decent, if dumbed-down, progression in ME3 under paragon-path. But better if player is more renegade.
6.) Jack: it fits for her. Don't give me "but renegade loyalty mission!" She's independent of others, even Shepard.
7.) EDI: I liked her growth/development in ME3. Don't care.
8.) Thane: pointless in ME2 -- fills no role in the finale. Saving the councilor/fighting Kai Leng marks improvement.
9.) Jacob: he did something, which is an improvement over ME2.


(<>) No change.

Samara: same old code-idiocy.
Tali: lovable loser in ME2. So it is in ME3. 'Not a fan of it, but I like her well enough anyway.
Miranda: biggest disappointment in this category. Character stagnated with The Prodigal 2.0 in ME3.
Liara: was the same as she's always been -- BW's 'sue pet.


(V) DOWN

4.) Zaeed: woefully neglected. What a shame.
3.) Kasumi: irritating, must be convinced to help save galaxy from armaggedon. WTF?? 'Used to like her.
2.) Kaidan: like him, but he regressed. No growth from ME1 to 3 despite lots of potential (all the time away).
1.) Ash: goes from tough, no-nonsense femsoldier to annoying and stupid college sorority girl. Glad I Virmire'd.
0.) Morinth: just SMH.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 14 juillet 2013 - 12:51 .

[David7204]

Liara is not a Mary Sue.

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Liara is not a Mary Sue.

She did become Mary Sue -ish in ME3. In ME1 she was just terribly cliche. She was best in ME2 and Lair of the Shadowbroker.

[David7204]

'Cliche' is frankly a fairly stupid term that implies something is somehow bad because it's been done before. Archetypes are not 'cliches.' They're used again and again for a reason - they're powerful and meaningful tools.

Modifié par David7204, 14 juillet 2013 - 12:47 .

[DuskWanderer]

David7204 wrote...

'Cliche' is frankly a fairly stupid term that implies something is somehow bad because it's been done before. Archetypes are not 'cliches.' They're used again and again for a reason - they're powerful and meaningful tools.

There's ways to use cliches without them being cliche, you twist them. 

I have to disagree with the assertion that she is a Mary Sue, because she can't be: Mary Sues are fan-creations, and Liara is a canon character. 

I will say, however, that she is definitely a creator's pet. Inordinate amount of focus for no reason, constantly talked up by the other characters. Yeah, they had on the rose-tinted glasses for that one. 

[DuskWanderer]

Reorte wrote...

Wrex showed the most character development during ME1 so there was arguably less for him to do later anyway. I find him one of the more interesting characters; there are a few hints here and there with Wrex (and perhaps Grunt from time to time) that the krogan are quite a bit smarter than they appear, they just prefer to use their heads to headbutt problems instead of think about them..

See, here's where we diverge. I didn't any of this "smarter than he appears" thing. Wrex's decisions during ME3 were utterly terrible. He had you move Eve during a firefight, which is exceedingly dangerous (the sensible thing being to bunker down and repel an invading force. Offense takes three times the amount than defense, after all), he shows utter disregard to krogan breeding (thinking ten colony worlds would be great, because they breed so fast). Krogan culture is also violently tribal, and disagreements will spark civil war. 

I didn't get the sense that Wrex had any intelligence. At best, he possessed enough self-awareness to stop all the tribal BS until the genophage was cured. After that, well, he claims he'll try to keep the krogan from getting revenge, but, as Eve put it, he is one person. Further, he's also old, as far as krogan are concerned. Once he's gone, who can say they won't just create a war. 

In the end, just like with Liara, the writer's just gave Wrex a pass and ignored all of the bad stuff about him. 

[Steelcan]

For Ashley my opinion of her regressed from each game to the next. I dont ever let her live past Virmire anymore.

Same with Liara, Id kill her off as well if i could.

I sell Legion in ME2 because of the character butchery he is subjected to in 3.

Modifié par Steelcan, 14 juillet 2013 - 02:30 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

What is this hang up people have about killing off characters?

[MegaSovereign]

I loved Legion in ME2 but didn't like how the writers developed him in ME3.

I never disliked Jack but it wasn't until I saw her Citadel romance DLC scene that I grew a soft spot for her.

I thought Grunt was a Wrex wannabe at first but he grew on me, especially when he called me his Battlemaster during his LM.

As for the rest of the characters....my 1st impression, whether good or bad, is usually the lasting one.

I don't really hate any of the characters. I never intentionally kill off certain characters in the Suicide Mission. I didn't even mind Jacob even though he's boring as hell.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 14 juillet 2013 - 02:28 .

[Steelcan]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

What is this hang up people have about killing off characters?

.  Just those three.

[Excella Gionne]

Anyone knew that Mordin's voice was actually different in both Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3? Yeah, weird, right?

[DeinonSlayer]

Ashley was one of the more compelling characters in ME1. She dared to be politically incorrect (for which she is widely reviled), and was proven right by the events of the series moving forward. Come ME3... where to start. I didn't like the way they tarted her up and dumbed her down. I'm left questioning how she jumped from being a warrant officer to Lieutenant Commander in six months. I didn't like the Cerberus "plot" in general - which probably plays a major part in it, because the Coup (and the lingering stench of Kai Leng) is the focal point of her character arc in ME3. After getting on the Normandy, she has the "I'm drunk" scene and a skillset I have no particular use for - that's it. Disappointing. Still, looking forward to Getorex' mod to fix the appearance issue.

EDI never leaves the ship. There were some interesting discussions with her (and a few where the writers overplayed their hand re: synthetic/organic), and I liked how her views evolved in response to them, but I really, really don't like the anthropomorphism which afflicted both her and Legion (and don't get me started on EDI/Joker or the Adam&Eve Synthesis thing). I guess that's a consequence of Chris leaving; still, disappointing.

Garrus was relatively forgettable in ME1. His resurrection as Archangel was awesome, with the character really coming into his own in the sequel. I couldn't help cracking up when I walked a FemShep through the romance with him. They didn't really do anything with the first two games spent "guiding" him, and I wish Garrus (among others) would take a bit more of a stand if Shepard does something he finds objectionable, but the game wouldn't be the same without him. His skillset is useful in all three games.

Grunt is...



*grins like a moron*

I love you too, Grunt.

Jack grew on me. Still not interested in her as a romance, but her "antics" conversation in ME2 after her loyalty mission gets a laugh out of me. "Parades are boring. I helped." Still, she only makes it to half of my ME3 playthroughs - Grissom Academy simply works better without her in my estimation, and it makes no sense at all that she becomes a teacher if you coax her into (or fail to stop her from) murdering Aresh in ME2. Didn't get much use in the field until I discovered the joys of Shockwave.

Jacob seemed like an OK guy in ME2. Not someone who drew my ire. Forgettable, really - and useless in combat until I modified the game to give him an assault rifle in place of a pistol. I kinda want to kick his ass on behalf of Romanced FemShep in ME3, though. Out of four playthroughs, his father has never gotten off of Pitcairn Island (sorry, Aeia) alive.

Javik kicked ass as a character. Didn't have much use for his powers, though. I played as an Infiltrator, Vanguard, Engineer, and Soldier in that order. Brought him where his commentary was the most amusing, really (read: Sur'Kesh). Probably the best DLC character out of all three.

Kaidan only made it to ME3 in one of my playthroughs - a FemShep who romanced him. Guy's good in combat, but didn't stray far from the relatively boring, contemplative "nice guy" from ME1. Meh.

I understand they couldn't do much with Kasumi on account of her being a DLC character, but there was a hole when she left. She seems the type to have gotten along great with the Normandy crew, and I sorely missed her Flashbang Grenade. Ah, well. That's what fanfic is for. In any case... her scene in ME3 was REALLY awkward. I tend to rush through it and not look back. Stick to the good memories...

I'm not even going to start with what went wrong with Legion. ME2 Legion and ME3 Legion are not the same character. They did a great job with him in ME2. In ME3... let's just say I like the outcome where I empty a clip into his doppleganger better than the "peace" outcome. I don't want to turn this into another one of those threads, so I'll leave it at that.

Liara seemed more like plot putty than a character to me. If you wanted an opinion from me on her, you'd have to specify which personality to analyze. She was at her best in LotSB, but it seemed like the writers really, really wanted her to be the canon romance. I wasn't interested in ME1, I'm not interested now. Didn't use her when avoidable in most playthroughs, but she complemented my one Vanguard well. Moving on.

I'd be able to respect Miranda a lot more if it weren't for the crack-climbing catsuit and persistent camera angles objectifying her. I couldn't even take her on missions until the alternate appearance DLC in ME2 gave her some proper armor to wear - but once that was done, I found myself bringing her a lot. I respect the character (moving away from the stuck-up, obsessed-with-her-gene-mods phase was a positive development), just not the character design.

Mordin is probably one of the best written characters in the trilogy, for reasons we all know. His loyalty mission is one of the most powerful parts of the trilogy, and an example of moral conflict done right. I can accept that he was overcome by guilt, even if Shepard reinforces the notion that the genophage was right. He's one of the few characters who will stand up to Shepard in the event of a disagreement. I can't not respect that. Wish the same voice actor came back, but his replacement did an admirable job. Wiks is great, too.

Samara survived into two of my four playthroughs (I do that with a lot of characters, even ones I like, to see what's different without them). In one, she was never recruited. Liked the character, but I wish she followed up on her promise to try and kill you if you crossed the line. Oversexualized character design, but I found the Justicar Code to be an interesting aspect to Asari culture.

Tali is my canon LI, and as such I'll keep this short. I liked her growth as a character over the series - like Garrus, a loyal friend, and a genuinely good person. Probably one of the best-written characters. There was more of a natural progression to her romance than was present in others, which, aside from the photoshop, was well-executed in ME3. I liked how her views on the Geth evolved depending on the player's actions over the trilogy. Her sudden pacifism when faced with the potential extinction of her species was extremely OOC, but other than that, she didn't suffer from writer-change-itis like many others on this list, to the benefit of the character.

Thaaaaane! The drell they call Thaaaaaaane!

Like the character. Didn't get much use on account of his skillset, though.

...I f***ing hate Kai Leng, and the trailing cloud of stupid that afflicts those around him. Let's leave it at that.

Wrex (Shepard) had me worried in ME3. In a good way. I wasn't thrilled about him holding the entire war effort hostage for a genophage cure (which ultimately would undermine his own power base). I've played four different Shepards, and each brought that arc to a different resolution. Badass grandpa.

Zaeed had a nothing role in ME3, but was a great addition to ME2. I don't always save the factory workers - for one, Shepard wouldn't know jack about putting out a refinery fire (and isn't equipped to do so, otherwise), and Vido is a target almost too good to pass up. Hell of a high price, though.

EDIT: Forgot Mordin.



I KNOW.

EDIT EDIT: Forgot EDI, too. That one is more forgivable.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 14 juillet 2013 - 05:15 .

[Tyzx]

The two character that I think progressed the most was Tali and Garrus.
The friendship that Shepherd and Garrus had felt very natural and by the end of ME3, I felt that they both would go to hell and back for one another. Garrus as a person also evolved, in ME1 I think he saw the world in plain black and white, but in ME2 he was exposed to the gray of it which conflicted with his previous view which made him even better as a character.

As for Tali, I felt like she's like the little sister that grew up to become a strong leader in her own right but still retained that little sister like character behind her new leader facade. She evolved from this young lady that was on her Pilgrimage and trying to prove herself to a respected Admiral within the Quarian Fleet. She as a character bloomed the most.

And then there is Grunt, which I have just one thing to say, "I love you Grunt."

Another good character was Mordin, his chracter in ME2 was excellent. The inner fight that he had with himself about the genophage was what made the character interesting, the inner struggle between whether it was murder or outright genocide. And beneath that, there was a very amusing entertainer, Mordin definitely made the serious for me.

[KaiserShep]

The biggest standout to me is Mordin. Being a scientist gave him a lot of interesting content to go along with his development, so he is definitely my favorite in this respect. I thought Garrus was a contender also. He did kind of regress between ME1 and 2, but given the circumstances, I can understand why he did. Everyone was officially denying the reaper threat, Shepard's warnings about the reapers were tossed aside after his/her death, so governmental ineptitude was steamrolling everyone, so what the hell was he supposed to do about it? I thought it was interesting to see him take a negative turn in ME2, and it was nice to see him come back up in the end, and grow as a stronger character in ME3. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 juillet 2013 - 05:16 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Ashley was one of the more compelling characters in ME1. She dared to be politically incorrect (for which she is widely reviled), and was proven right by the events of the series moving forward. Come ME3... where to start. I didn't like the way they tarted her up and dumbed her down. I'm left questioning how she jumped from being a warrant officer to Lieutenant Commander in six months. I didn't like the Cerberus "plot" in general - which probably plays a major part in it, because the Coup (and the lingering stench of Kai Leng) is the focal point of her character arc in ME3. After getting on the Normandy, she has the "I'm drunk" scene and a skillset I have no particular use for - that's it. Disappointing. Still, looking forward to Getorex' mod to fix the appearance issue.

Ashley ... Ashley shuts up about Cerberus if you renegade her in the first conversation. Then when she says "That could have been you." Renegade her again. It ends. The Cerberus thing is over after that. I never saw the drunk scene on the Normandy. I got the ME3 "bug" that they're never going to patch. She never shows up on the Normandy again. I didn't like how they tarted her up in ME3. I used her in this play through: Liara, Ash, and "Dark Channel" Sentinel Adept Shepard. Almost done. I'm on the Citadel DLC. When I finish that I'm done. Will not finish the game.

EDI never leaves the ship. There were some interesting discussions with her (and a few where the writers overplayed their hand re: synthetic/organic), and I liked how her views evolved in response to them, but I really, really don't like the anthropomorphism which afflicted both her and Legion (and don't get me started on EDI/Joker or the Adam&Eve Synthesis thing). I guess that's a consequence of Chris leaving; still, disappointing.

She's in the apartment. She's equipment. Joker, get a girlfriend.

Garrus was relatively forgettable in ME1. His resurrection as Archangel was awesome, with the character really coming into his own in the sequel. I couldn't help cracking up when I walked a FemShep through the romance with him. They didn't really do anything with the first two games spent "guiding" him, and I wish Garrus (among others) would take a bit more of a stand if Shepard does something he finds objectionable, but the game wouldn't be the same without him. His skillset is useful in all three games.

Garrus is a renegade at heart. Paragon Garrus is ... unusual.


Grunt is... .... Grunt.

Jack grew on me. I grew to love the joys of dual maxed out Shockwaves in ME2, along with Inferno Grenade. Yeah. That was the ticket for the Suicide Mission. (not on insanity -- forget it. I don't do insane)


Jacob seemed like an OK guy in ME2. Jacob's father has only gotten half charges in that pistol.

Javik kicked ass as a character. Didn't have much use for his powers, though. I played as an Infiltrator, and Adept.

Kaidan nice guy but meh.

Kasumi was fun in ME2 for Stolen Memories, but in ME3? Absent again.

I'm not even going to start with what went wrong with Legion.

Liara grew from the naïve young scholar in ME1 to information broker in ME2 where I think she was at her best in LotSB. In ME3, I don't know what happened. There were parts of her that were written by Mac and other parts that were written by others. She was very inconsistent as a character. The important stuff was written by Mac. But damn let's face the facts, the entire game was extremely inconsistently written. Liara was my canon LI. I romanced Kaidan once.

I'd be able to respect Miranda a lot more if it weren't for the crack-climbing catsuit and persistent camera angles objectifying her. <<<<<<<

Mordin is probably one of the best written characters in the trilogy, for reasons we all know. His loyalty mission is one of the most powerful parts of the trilogy, and an example of moral conflict done right. I can accept that he was overcome by guilt, even if Shepard reinforces the notion that the genophage was right. He's one of the few characters who will stand up to Shepard in the event of a disagreement. I can't not respect that. Wish the same voice actor came back, but his replacement did an admirable job. Wiks is great, too.

Samara survived into all of my 12 playthroughs (I do that with a lot of characters, even ones I like, to see what's different without them). In one, she was never recruited. Liked the character, but I wish she followed up on her promise to try and kill you if you crossed the line. Oversexualized character design, but I found the Justicar Code to be an interesting aspect to Asari culture.

Tali is my not canon LI, and as such I'll keep this short. I liked her growth as a character over the series - like Garrus, a loyal friend, and a genuinely good person. Probably one of the best-written characters. There was more of a natural progression to her romance than was present in others, which, aside from the photoshop, was well-executed in ME3. I liked how her views on the Geth evolved depending on the player's actions over the trilogy. Her sudden pacifism when faced with the potential extinction of her species was extremely OOC, but other than that, she didn't suffer from writer-change-itis like many others on this list, to the benefit of the character.

Thaaaaane! The drell they call Thaaaaaaane!

Like the character. Didn't get much use on account of his skillset, though.

...I f***ing hate Kai Leng, and the trailing cloud of stupid that afflicts those around him. Let's leave it at that.

Wrex (Shepard) had me worried in ME3. In a good way. I wasn't thrilled about him holding the entire war effort hostage for a genophage cure (which ultimately would undermine his own power base). I've played 12 different Shepards, and each brought that arc to a different resolution. Badass grandpa.

Zaeed had a nothing role in ME3, but was a great addition to ME2. I don't always save the factory workers - for one, Shepard wouldn't know jack about putting out a refinery fire (and isn't equipped to do so, otherwise), and Vido is a target almost too good to pass up. Hell of a high price, though.

I've only played through ME3 three times.

[Isaidlunch]

Ashley: I wasn't overly fussed on her in ME1 (just enough to choose her over Kaidan), only really started to like her after Horizon. Unfortunately I found her so disappointing as a squadmate in ME3 that now I only save her on Virmire with a Shepard who romances her, cheats on her, gets fed up with her in the hospital chats and ends up having to shoot her in the Coup (aka "Days of our Lives: Space Edition"). Otherwise it's Kaidan all the way.

Miranda: Miranda's a tricky one for me. Initially I thought I would love her character but the sudden melting of her ice-queen persona and her inconsistent writing, especially in the Suicide Mission, made me realize that I liked what she could have been more than I liked how Bioware had actually written her. I thought that maybe I would like her more in ME3 if she returned as a squadmate and had a chance to grow more as a character (eg not saving her sister again)... but we all know what happened there.

Wrex: Extremely well done and I loved the buildup across the three games with his people and the Genophage, especially as someone who almost always sabotages the cure. The Shepard vs Wrex standoff is one of my favorite moments of the series.

Kasumi & Samara: Both were my favorite characters in ME2 and I'm happy with the resolution of their stories in ME3. Kasumi's is very bittersweet (in Synthesis EC) but I wouldn't have had it any other way.

Thane: I've always disliked him but he's extremely easy to avoid and never takes up much of the spotlight so I can't hate him too much. However, his romance is my favorite in the series after both ME3 + Citadel and I would have gladly rolled a FemShep to experience it if he wasn't a boring, ugly frog.

Modifié par Kazanth, 14 juillet 2013 - 07:13 .

[Redbelle]

Joker.

He finally got the stick out of his backside that was present from ME1.

He's just more comfortable knowing that he's accepted as being, in his words, 'the best damn pilot in the fleet'.

Plus he's more open to sharing his cockpit now. Though he prefer's it be Edi.

[HellbirdIV]

I hated, hated, hated, HATED Jack in ME2. I've known a lot of girls like her IRL, some variant of the goth/emo 'style', self-assured to the point of being obnoxious, overly aggressive - there are guys like this too, but it seems whenever girls do it they overdo it even more just to be contrary.

Jack in ME3 retained the core traits of personality but completley changed her outlook. Instead of being a self-pitying b*tch, she's now a b*tchy big sister to the Grissom students, and has enough clearly visible compassion, courage and intelligence that her attitude doesn't become so aggressively in your face annoying.

[Sir DeLoria]

Well I always loved Tali, so let's just keep it at that.

Grunt really improved in ME3, especially in the Citadel dlc.

Wrex was great in both ME2&3, but he got almost no screen time in ME2.

Otherwise what Steel said. Liara and Ash are arguably the worst characters in the series. Both of them are incredibly obnoxious, Liara is naive and selfish, Ash is self-righteous, racist and dumb.

Legion was ok, but he was terrible in ME3.