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[o Ventus]

Everyone in ME1 was rather boring, besides Wrex. Not much else to say there.

In ME2, there isn't any particular character that I dislike, the lowest my opinion goes is to mere ambivalence. If I had to pick a character that I find the most fault with, it would be Tali with her hero worship of Shepard. I can see why some would find it "cute", but I personally find it to be more disturbing. All in all though, ME2 was where the characters shone brightest. The relatively boring ME1 cast was upgraded in turn, wih the exception ofthe VS, who disappeared from the universe.

ME3 is a mixed bag. The increased emphasis on the ME1 characters meant that they would develop Ben further and often more radically than those in ME2. Oddly, the VS still doesn't have as large a presence as I would have thought. My opinion of Ashley dropped and my opinion of Kaidan rose. Wrex is very different from his ME2 incarnation, but I can see the chane and accept it.

Sadly, the ME2 characters either regress in development or are all but ignored (or literally ignored, in Morinth's case). Miranda's loyalty mission is just repeated, and all of her conversations (besides the last) with Shepard have the potential of painting either her or Shepard as entirely stupid and thoughtless. She is also wholly absent from the Cebeus arc, despite Cerberus havig more of a presence in ME3 than the Reapers.

[KaiserShep]

I imagine Morinth is largely ignored in terms of development because it's kind of batsh** insane for Shepard to pick her over a justicar. Given the circumstances of her addition to the Normandy crew, I don't see anything that organically leads into meaningful character development.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 14 juillet 2013 - 10:23 .

[Barquiel]

Grunt, Zaeed and Jack: I didn't think they would grow on me, but they did (especially in ME3).

Garrus: the opposite effect. I rather liked him in ME1, but I can't stand ME2/ME3 Garrus.

As for other characters...my opinion of them didn't change. I liked Liara/Miranda/Mordin/Samara/Wrex/Morinth/Kasumi/Legion from the start, Tali always annoyed me and I neither hate nor love Ashley/Kaidan/Jacob/EDI/Vega.

Modifié par Barquiel, 14 juillet 2013 - 12:41 .

[Jagri]

- Positive -

Tali: Loyal friend to potential lover and who can't love a gal with a shotgun?
Garrus: Loyal friend and close to being a brother. I would go through hell for this guy.
Joker: Got to love Joker for being a constant reminder of Seth Green who I find enteraining... At times.
Wrex: Can't help but enjoy the epic interactions but wish there was more in the 2nd and 3rd games.Mordin: Everyone's favorite scientist who's quest to redeem himself would save a entire race.
Jack: From Cerberus's broken pyscho victim to a teacher of children. Who can't help but cheer?
Grunt: Watching him progressing was entertaining to say the least and getting a chance to headbutt things is fun.
EDI: Didn't spend too much time with her but enjoyed the conversations and interaction.
Liara: Sorta close to neutral with this one but has always been a loyal friend to Shepard.

- Neutral -

Thane: Brooding and deep assassins are kinda cliche but watching him move forward was rewarding I think.
Samara: Interesting first encounters but not really compelling progression.
Legion: My default game would see Legion die at the Collector Base... Soooo yeah, whoops.
Jacob: Awh... Just don't really care for this guy ether way.
Zaeed: Grumpy old grandpa! I did enjoy talking to him but just didn't have too big of a role in the series.
Kasumi: Ever RPG needs a thief and I guess she suited that role well.
Kaidan: Better then Ash but he kinda whines a lot too.

- Negative - 

Ash: How could you! Go from hardcore soldier to... That! Your hair... Just no! You betrayed your own character.
Morinth: Wannabe Succubus...
Miranda: Perfect woman? How incredibly dull daddy issues.
TIM: Oh, rip off of the X-Files 'Smoking Man' and guy doing evil things to keep us all safe but failing at it terribly.

Modifié par Jagri, 14 juillet 2013 - 06:42 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

• Ashley: loved in 1, felt consistent in 2, felt like a cut-out in 3
• Kaidan: meh in 1, felt awkward in 2, loved in 3
• Garrus: meh in 1, loved in 2, loved in 3
• Wrex: liked in 1, loved in 2, loved in 3
• Liara: felt like a needy 14-year-old, felt awkward in 2, meh in 3
• Tali: walking codex entry in 1, loved in 2, liked in 3
• Miranda: liked
• Jacob: liked in 2, kinda meh in 3
• Mordin:<3
• Legion: loved in 2, liked in 3
• Thane: meh in 2, loved in 3
• Samara: liked
• Kasumi: <3
• Jack: didn't like in 2, liked in 3
• Grunt: liked in 2, loved in 3
• Zaeed: meh
• EDI: loved in 2, meh in 3 - seriously, would it kill us to have an AI that didn't feel like it had to imitate an organic?
• James: meh
• Javik: <3

[Jorji Costava]

Ended up skipping a lot of characters here, as this post will be way too long already. In no particular order (TL;DR warning in effect):

Mordin Solus was for me the most fully realized character of the series. He had a dramatic arc, a compelling inner moral conflict that didn't come across as wangst, cultural interests, a keen sense of humor, interesting behavioral tics, etc. I didn't mind that no matter what happens in ME2, Mordin wants to cure the genophage in ME3. It's pretty clear that in his arguments with Shep about the genophage, Mordin is trying to convince himself of its rightness as much as you, so his doubts are well forshadowed. Also, his getting to know Eve was a turning point, and who's to say that that couldn't have as much influence on his views as Shepard? Shepard doesn't have to be the universe's most persuasive person all the time.

Legion was a fascinating character in ME2; he offered a unique perspective on life, and questioned our need for individuality. ME2 never felt the need to punish Legion or give him a Pinocchio story for daring to question our values. That's what dealing with cultural difference is all about. This mostly went out the window in ME3, with the Reaper code, which was mostly a contrivance to (a) make sure that Shepard would have final say over who wins at Rannoch, and ( make sure we'd never have the opportunity to fight the Quarians no matter what side we take, and © a vehicle for yet another Pinocchio story.

The Geth consensus mission was an overcompensation in the other direction ("Well, you're fighting Geth mooks the whole time, so we need to give players a reason to side with the Geth, and we need to do it fast"), which is why it feels manipulative. The whole Rannoch arc for Legion (and pretty much everyone else) was mostly character serving plot rather than vice versa, and suffered badly for it. It takes way too many shortcuts.

Ashley was a terrific character in ME1; she's got a backstory that gives her a defined character arc (i.e. she needs to escape the shadow that her grandfather's failures have cast over her family), an interesting take on politics and religion, and a nice sense of humor; in one of my favorite exchanges, Shepard tells Ashley, "Everyone has baggage. The trick is to find a matched set." Ashley responds, "That's horrible! Did you find that on a fortune cookie or something?" I thought this was a great response because, well, that was a terrible line. It's also one of the few times you get called out on it if you're just clicking the top dialogue option every time.

But by ME2, it started to seem like the writers had pretty much given up on the character, simply because she wasn't popular enough. The idea that Tali and Garrus are okay with Cerberus but Ashley isn't makes no sense in-universe. I think Virmire is a better end for her; she gets to go out proving that the Williams aren't cowards after all.

Now I know I'll get killed for these next few:

Javik is overrated. He's a pretty good character, but not teh awesomest thing ever. If there had been any doubt before, Javik pretty much turned the Protheans into the Rakata from KOTOR. The whole "I am the embodiment of vengeance" thing was pure cheese, and damaged the credibility of the character at a critical moment for me. You only get to make first impressions once. The space racist aspect of Javik was laid on quite thick (Why does Ashley take way more crap for this than Javik? Probably because Javik, but not Ashley, fits the archetype of a badass dudebro soldier). And "Throw it out the airlock" just isn't that clever or funny (I know someone's going to respond by saying, "Throw osbornep out the airlock."). Javik does have some genuinely funny moments, but that particular meme doesn't do it for me.

Tali is one of my less favorite characters. Her walking-codex incarnation in ME1 might actually be the best version of this character. She's at least able to get angry at Shepard if he expresses sympathy with the Geth; that's about as much of her own initiative as she'll show the entire series. ME2 tries to expand on her character, and does so in very problematic ways. Too often, she's the damsel in distress. The degree to which her loyalty mission emphasizes her victimhood is a little disturbing. She's also far too starstruck with Shepard for my tastes.

In ME3, Tali exercises little agency even as an 'admiral.' I don't hate her in the sense that I would dislike a person who was like this in real life (I would just hope that they develop a stronger sense of self), but I do have a lot of problems with this character from a writing point of view.

I have mixed feelings about TIM even going back to ME2. The Lazarus thing made me feel a bit like his supposed brilliance was more an informed ability than anything ("You could have trained an army for what you spent to bring me back." Excellent point, Shepard). I never fully bought the supposed moral ambiguity of the character; to me, Cerberus is the space-age version of the Tamil Tigers, with TIM the futuristic Prabhakaran. Not cool.

Still, he provided an interesting opportunity to explore the nationalism vs. cosmopolitanism thread of the series, which was always a compelling war of ideas. Having him be indoctrinated in ME3 was yet another shortcut. I actually think this character should have simply been the main villain of ME2, and been dispensed with there. The Collectors weren't cutting it, and if you're going to make a game with more personal stakes, you may as well make the villain more personal as well.

*runs and hides*

[EDIT]: Cut out some stuff and fixed paragraphs.

Modifié par osbornep, 15 juillet 2013 - 02:42 .

[Nole]

Ashely: like her in ME1, wtf in ME2, gtfo in ME3.
Kaidan: uh, ok.
Garrus: OP.
Wrex: even more OP.
Tali: ok in ME1, like in ME2, like in M3
Liara: ok in M1, like in ME2, romance in ME3 :x.
Miranda: romance in ME2 cause too hot, rejected in ME3 cause teeth.
Jacob: lol gtfo.
Jack: ok in ME2 and ME3.
Mordin: like in ME2, OP in ME3.
Grunt: like in ME2 and ME3
Thane: indifferent in ME2 nad ME3.
Samara: same as Thane.
Legion: lol sold to Cerberus.
James: gtfo.
EDI: wish you were human.
Javik: the OPest.

[Steelcan]

For TIM I cannot make up my mind.

In ME2 he was great IMO. Machiavellian, dedicated, driven, intelligent, powerful, ambiguous... Made it clear that he will do what he thinks is right and damn the consequences. He was IMO the perfect counter to the Alliance and I was so looking forward to him having to work with the Alliance in ME3.

Then ME3 actually arrived. Initially I was dissapointed, and still am, that we were not offered th chance to help Cerberus or work with them at all. However TIM still seemed to be up to his own devices and was going about the war in a different way. Hints that he may be indoctrinated abounded, but I largely ignored them because I was sure that he wouldnt fall prey.

At Sanctuary I thought that TIM was at his best. A truly horrendous operation with game changing results. However, the implications of Sanctuary were dropped 10 seconds after Shepard left Horizon.

Cronos Station shows us the manipulation and deception he pulled in ME2 in order to get Shepard onboard the mission. This is where BioWare started to go too far. TIM has already been shown to be manipulative and schemeing. This was just a jab at Cerberus supporters.

Then we get to the doozy. TIM implanted himself with Reaper tech. Im not sure why BioWare did this. Obviously it means any sort of collaboration is out of the question. This also draws into question everything he has done in the series. I just do not see the purpose behind hitting him with the stick of derp so heavily.

By the time he is met at the Citadel, there is barely anything left of his ME2 characterization. He is simply a Reaper puppet now. This was supremely dissapointing, and I wonder what message his fall was supposed to convey. Dont mess with the unexplained? Human nationalism is bad? Control is invalid? Ambition is evil? I just dont get it.

Fortunately I find just enough evidence in his final moments to rectify some of the plot errors,he seems to have been teetering with indoctrination for a while. He can resist it and admits to having 'tried". This line is the only saving grace in ME3 for him. It leaves enough to interpretation to allow me to still enjoy his character. In the end he tried to run his own game with the Reapers and failed however this preserves some of his ME2 characterization and somewhat remedies the butchery he goes through in ME3.

/rant

[shit's fucked cunts]

I liked Ashley less.

I liked EDI less.

I liked Garrus more.

I liked Grunt more.

I liked Jack more.

I liked Jacob less.

I liked Kaidan less.

I liked Kasumi less.

I liked Legion less.

I liked Liara more.

I liked Miranda less.

I liked Mordin more.

I liked Morinth the same - dead.

I liked Samara less.

I liked Tali more.

I liked Wrex more.

I liked Zaeed more.

---

Citadel DLC changes all of those values to "holy ****, more!"

Modifié par Zazzerka, 15 juillet 2013 - 04:28 .

[The Don's Hound]

I liked Garrus more

I liked Grunt more

I liked Miranda less

I liked Liara more

Never liked Morinth

I liked Samara less

I liked Wrex more

I liked Zaeed more

I never really gathered an opinion on Jacob, since he was uninteresting

I liked Kasumi less

I liked Kaidan much less

My opinion on Ashley stayed good

Never liked EDI

I liked Mordin more

Liked Legion less

I liked Tali more

I liked Jack more

This was before the Citadel DLC, which put those standards way up or down.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

TIM was implanted with reaper tech at the beginning of ME3. He was "improving" himself. I thought he was a manipulating bastard throughout ME2. I've met men like him IRL. I know the type, and I don't like them. We got a team of losers for the Normandy. People he wanted out of his way. Yes, that included you, too, Miranda. He used you. He was done with you. But these people could get him what he wanted beyond the Omega 4 relay. He was hoping to get them killed off along the way. He was hoping only Joker and EDI would return.

"Cerberus: Where we bring you tomorrow's problems today." -- that should be their corporate slogan.

Look at what they were doing in ME1. Suddenly in ME2 they're the "good guys"? In ME3 they're back to their old selves, except he's got a big army now made up of all the people who couldn't pass the psych tests for the Alliance, or Human Supremacists. That last part of the Cerberus Mission "to ensure Human domination in the galaxy" in the manner in which Cerberus wants to do it smacks of racism, and I find it disgusting. Listening to Kelly describe it put it in focus.

The Illusive Man got what he deserved. A bullet.

[HellbirdIV]

Actually TIM was involuntarily 'infected' with Reaper tech the same way Saren was - indirect exposure to a Husk-creating Reaper device - so he was always full of Reaper tech. He just added more on Sanctuary to try make himself able to control them... which sounds pretty stupid when I say it out loud, I admit.

[PMC65]

"How did your opinion on the characters evolve (if it did)" ...

I really liked all of the characters in the ME Universe (faults and all) ... there were times though that I felt the writers didn't know who they were in ME3. I guess that is to be expected when new writers are brought in or taking over characters. They say that it is easier to write your own characters than one already established so I'll try and cut them some slack.

The only characters that I felt were lost to my like/love meter in ME3 was the following:

Joker - He was always a jerk but he also had his funny moments and you felt that he really cared for Shepard. Come ME3 and he seemed to be either bitter or pervy in a gross way. The "hooking up with EDI love doll" story was just yuck. In ME1 and ME2, I loved heading up to the bridge to talk to him but in ME3? No, no, no. 

EDI - I hated the whole "I have a female body and need to have an orgasm to feel like a human" story. Honestly, I wish that she had taken over a robot that looked male if just for laughs but then returned to just being part of the ship. 

Mordin - I loved that character in ME2 but it was as if he had a brain shift come ME3, not to mention that I missed his ME2 voice as well.

This is just how I feel and in no way is a requirement of others ... personal tastes and all. If you loved any and all of these characters/complaints, good for you. Wish I had as well.    

Modifié par PMC65, 15 juillet 2013 - 07:07 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Actually TIM was involuntarily 'infected' with Reaper tech the same way Saren was - indirect exposure to a Husk-creating Reaper device - so he was always full of Reaper tech. He just added more on Sanctuary to try make himself able to control them... which sounds pretty stupid when I say it out loud, I admit.

Getting zapped by Reaper-tech for a second does not make one indoctrinated. It takes sustained exposure, which TIM did not have with that device. Otherwise, Arrival would lead to Shepard getting indoctrinated by Object Rho's pulse.

Indoctrinated TIM would not set up Cerberus; its primary purpose when created was to empower humanity against the unknown alien threat TIM saw visions of after touching the artifiact. He acknowledges that Commander Shepard "uncovered the truth" in ME2 (first thing he says in the game, provided you've installed Genesis DLC) -- as he is finally able to identify what that mysterious threat was. Again: he set up Cerberus to fight the Reapers. On Thessia he says: "I've been fighting them longer than you can imagine." Of course, everyone thinks that means he's fighting them in his head/indoctrination. It doesn't. It means Cerberus has been dedicated to that goal from the start.

If TIM were a Reaper thrall, he would not have: (1) set up Cerberus in the first place; (2) stolen Shepard's body from the Collectors; (3) launched a mission to destroy the Collectors; (4) been allowed to study how to control the Reapers.

Also, TIM's facial markings early in the game were not from Reaper-implants. You can prove that wrong through Cronos Station logs + a little common sense. The doctor warns TIM against implanting himself with Reaper-tech, but TIM assures her it will work because of Sanctuary -- which happened a long while after the beginning of ME3. And if he were already implanted with Reaper tech, why would she be worrying about the danger of implanting him at that point?

TIM implanted himself because he thought the breakthrough at Sanctuary gave him the power to control Reaper-tech and thus the Reapers. That is, he bet everything he had on the work Cerberus did at Sanctuary. And he lost.

[Han Shot First]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
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Indoctrinated TIM would not set up Cerberus; its primary purpose when created was to empower humanity against the unknown alien threat TIM saw visions of after touching the artifiact. He acknowledges that Commander Shepard "uncovered the truth" in ME2 (first thing he says in the game, provided you've installed Genesis DLC) -- as he is finally able to identify what that mysterious threat was. Again: he set up Cerberus to fight the Reapers. On Thessia he says: "I've been fighting them longer than you can imagine." Of course, everyone thinks that means he's fighting them in his head/indoctrination. It doesn't. It means Cerberus has been dedicated to that goal from the start.

Actually there is some dialogue on Thessia that may imply that the Reapers were playing the long game with TIM and Cerberus, and had engineered the whole thing. Javik mentions that in his cycle there was a similar breakaway faction much like Cerberus, whose indoctrination was not revealed until it had already fatally undermined the Prothean Empire. The Prothean VI on Thessia adds that the same patterns keep repeating from cycle to cycle, suggesting that once the Reapers found a plan they thought was flawless, they kept rolling with it.

While that doesn't explicitly state that the Reapers created Cerberus, the fact that similar factions existed in other cycles and played the same role, heavily suggests that they may have.

That all being said, I don't think the Reapers had full control of TIM until Mass Effect 3. But they certainly had their hooks into him since the First Contact War, and it is at least suggested that they may have gently guided him into creating Cerberus.

Even the line, "I've been fighting them longer than you can imagine" I thought was a nod to his indoctrination. I think he may have been referring to the mental war he had been fighting against his own indoctrination since the First Contact War. The line after all suggests that he has been fighting the Reapers longer than Shepard. But how can that be possible, unless he is referring to the First Contact War?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 15 juillet 2013 - 06:01 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Han Shot First wrote...

Actually there is some dialogue on Thessia that may imply that the Reapers were playing the long game with TIM and Cerberus, and had engineered the whole thing. Javik mentions that in his cycle there was a similar breakaway faction much like Cerberus, whose indoctrination was not revealed until it had already fatally undermined the Prothean Empire. The Prothean VI on Thessia adds that the same patterns keep repeating from cycle to cycle, suggesting that once the Reapers found a plan they thought was flawless, they kept rolling with it.

Yes, but that notion becomes ridiculous when applied, meaning that the Reapers allowed TIM/Cerberus to:

1.) Study them extensively, to the point where they became threatened with being usurped from power.
2.) Steal Shepard's body from them.
3.) Wipe out an entire species serving them and thus all the progress they made towards reap'ing humanity early.

That's anything but a flawless plan.

That all being said, I don't think the Reapers had full control of TIM until Mass Effect 3. But they certainly had their hooks into him since the First Contact War, and it is at least suggested that they may have gently guided him into creating Cerberus.

Indoctrination does not work like that. It is an all-or-nothing value.

To become indoctrinated, the subject requires exposure to a device emitting Reaper signals over a long enough period of time for it to set in. If the subject is removed from the source before fully affected, they are not affected nor will they become it later. Thus, if the Arca Monolith indoctrinated TIM, he'd have been under their full control ever since.

Even the line, "I've been fighting them longer than you can imagine" I thought was a nod to his indoctrination. I think he may have been referring to the mental war he had been fighting against his own indoctrination since the First Contact War. The line after all suggests that he has been fighting the Reapers longer than Shepard. But how can that be possible, unless he is referring to the First Contact War?

It's possible, by virtue of Cerberus, which he set up to fight Reapers before Shepard ever uncovered the truth.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 15 juillet 2013 - 06:35 .

[Modius Prime]

 Liara: I liked her character development (her innocence to her ruthlessness) throughout the first two games, but it gradually felt like as if BW implied that she, or Ash, was the canonical romance for broshep. Kaidan and her are my top 2 favorites in the game. Liara is such a good friend and her cutscenes are sentimental, yet saddening.
Miranda: I used to think that she was just eye candy, but I started to feel empathy for her troubled life with Cerberus and her relationship with her sister.
Kaidan: I thought he was overly emotional, but he is the kind of person that was actually the most consistent throughout the series. I loved how he acted like an actual human being. All that tough guy stuff got really annoying, and Kaidan is just a breather from the stereotypical soldier. For me, he was the most realistic character in the franchise and very brotherly.
Ashley: To be honest, I never really liked her; I just enjoyed how she was tough. She really drifted in the next installments.
Jack: I thought she was just a b*tch, but she really grew on to me as a person. All that psycho BS was just to cover up the fact that, in the inside, she was still a little girl.
Legion: I thought legion was okay in Mass Effect 2, but he really grew a lot in the third game. He became more of an individual and less analytical in the third game.
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James: Honestly, I thought BW just put in James just to have a Mexican. I wish he was a romance for femshep and that he was less dense; I did not really feel much emotional attatchment to him, except through fan art.
EDI: I was okay with her and having a body, but she really didn't need one. I wanted another squadmate on the ship. It really wasn't until BSN that I started disliking her, but Citadel DLC made me indifferent, yet I still choose destroy. Sorry EDI :X
Tali: Meh. She's okay. Her characted development was good, but she is best as a friend. I feel the same way about her as Liara.
Garrus: I don't really understand why people care so much about him. He's cool and all, but he just feels like my hired gun. There really wasn't much for me to like about him, except that he dealed a ridiculous amount of damage.
Thane and Samara: Meh.
Javik: Should have not been a warmonger <.<
Jacob: unfaithful daddy's boy <.< (I would slap him if I had a femshep)

I hope BW will continue to make amazing characters. I hope that they will make characters that are a little bit more realistic (less stereotypes, no bipolar disorder, less sex appeal, relatable, ect.) and have a lot more character interection, both on the ship and on shore leave/during missions.

Modifié par Modius Prime, 15 juillet 2013 - 10:16 .

[Yestare7]

Kinda enjoyed Joker in ME1. Then he gets Shep killed, and put Liara through living hell. For that I hate him with a passion, and he needs to DIE like a squeling pig. DIE PIG DIE!!!



Y

[Aimi]

After ME1 my favorite character was probably Wrex by default, then Liara, then Tali/Garrus, then the humans. I didn't particularly dislike any of the characters, and I didn't particularly like any of them all that much either; even Wrex was more of a stereotype than anything else, and mostly just got points for being cool. Ash and Kaidan were probably the most fully realized and multifaceted characters, but they weren't very interesting.

ME2:

Wrex got significantly more interesting. By the end of ME2, he was definitely my favorite non-squadmate NPC. Big fan.

Liara also got more interesting, less due to the main game story and more because of Lair of the Shadow Broker. I didn't really like the evolution of her character, but the place where she eventually ended up was pretty all right.

Garrus became my new best buddy. And Tali became my new little sister.

The Virmire survivors also got slightly better as far as I was concerned, mostly because Horizon showed that they were their own person (people?) and not slavishly tied to the Goddess of War like the rest of the team. So long as you assume the rest of the character development from ME1 still applied, they were in a pretty good spot.

As far as the new arrivals...pretty much all the characters were above-average, except Zaeed (not a fan). I especially liked Mordin (of course), Jacob (thank God, a normal person), and Grunt (d'awwww).

I liked that they gave Dr. Chakwas an actual personality in ME2. Drunk Shep/Chakwas was an underrated interaction in that game. Big upgrade over ME1.

Oh, and Joker actually became funny between ME1 and ME2. His jokes in the first game were kind of awful. In the second game? Hilarious. Plus, all the tension with EDI. A-plus.

ME3:

Wrex stayed interesting. Although his position on the genophage seemed like it kind of changed and nobody really brought it up, I was okay with that, since it felt like the whole genophage plot kind of hopped sideways a bit.

Liara was mostly okay, kind of in a holding pattern, for the majority of the game. But the way she reacted whenever asari got hit with the same stuff the rest of the galaxy was dealing with - pretty much 'completely losing her [cool]' - as though she couldn't deal with asari being off their pedestal...well, that kind of soured me on her a bit. I'm not really cool with latent racism.

Garrus became a legitimate executive officer. Chief of staff. That kind of person. Bouncing ideas off of Shepard - and vice versa - and helping her think through problems verbally, taking care of the dirty work, making sure the commander's ready to go when a problem hits...well, pretty much every member of the crew does that to some extent, but Garrus took over to an unusual degree. Which was awesome. As of the end of ME3, he's tied with Mordin for my favorite character.

I guess I liked Tali all right in ME3; most of her development seemed like predictable outgrowths of how she was in ME2. Still my baby sister. Maybe a slight bump up from how much I liked her in ME2 purely because of emergency induction ports.

I thought Kaidan went through a lot of legitimately awesome character development between ME2 and ME3. Big leap, made sense, was very impressed. ME3 Kaidan really is wasted on Shepard's team; his talents (and his grade) are much better suited to independent command. I didn't really see anything similar from Ash, which was a little disappointing.

Enough's been written about Mordin's apotheosis elsewhere that I don't need to rehash it. He's amazing.

I liked the send-off that Thane got. Seemed appropriate, respectful. Good way to wrap a character up in a heartfelt and meaningful way. Plus, he wasn't creepy like he kind of got in ME2.

With Grunt, I was mostly thinking 'my little baby's all growed up!' APPROV'D.

Jacob's story went to a good place as far as I was concerned - dude going out on his own and getting stuff done - but that's because I never played through his romance arc. Then again, very few people did, so.

In ME2, I didn't really like Jack in terms of gameplay (she was completely useless on any real difficulty level) so I made excuses to dislike her story, even though it was actually pretty solid. I didn't have that excuse in ME3 so I decided that she was awesome.

Miranda was all right. Her story went pretty much where everybody expected it was going to go, and it worked pretty well. I kind of liked her better in ME2 for her sheer usefulness if nothing else; in ME3 she was never available until Citadel came out, which was disappointing.

Samara was kinda just...there. Her part of ME2 seemed very disconnected from everything else that was going on (even if her recruitment mission was one of my favorites in that game) and that pattern continued in ME3. I liked her okay in ME2, and I thought that her part in ME3 was all right, if not spectacular. (Lesuss, for me, was a fun mission marred by Liara going nuts about the Banshees and Falere's distractingly mega-hammy voice acting. Neither of which was Samara's writers' fault.)

My opinion of Zaeed as a marginally useful stereotypical hardguy didn't really change much. As a hardguy, his content worked reasonably well, but I just don't find that character particularly interesting. He was kind of like a cut-price replica of Wrex from ME1, only the cast around him was much better than the cast around Wrex had been.

Kasumi was nice to have back, even if it was only for a little bit. The snark was excellent. I guess my opinion of her didn't change much, but it was already pretty high so whatever. Like Miranda, I really liked having her in my squad because she could crack any protection. And in ME3 both of my Swiss army knives were gone. Sad face.

I liked Joker/EDI better in ME2 than ME3. Not by much - EDI got more useful and had several legitimately funny moments, Joker still had actual jokes instead of the tepid crap from the first game - but as well as it was executed, I didn't really like the sexbot thing. Meh.

Both Javik and Vega were quality new additions to the team; Vega did an admirable role of filling in as the new Jacob and playing straight man (along with all the flirting with Shepard), and I have much the same opinion of Javik as the rest of the internet does. Vega was especially useful, because I love to play Engineer, and having a tanky dude who can use a Revenant (or a Typhoon), apply incendiary ammo, and set off tech/fire/cryo explosions? Yeah, that's awesome.

[Sir DeLoria]

Yestare7 wrote...


Kinda enjoyed Joker in ME1. Then he gets Shep killed, and put Liara through living hell. For that I hate him with a passion, and he needs to DIE like a squeling pig. DIE PIG DIE!!!



Y

I love him for doing that to Liara! But how can anyone hate Seth Green?

[o Ventus]

People were anticipating Miranda's story in ME3 to be a blatant rehash of her loyalty mission? You're kidding, right?

[Neria Rose]

ME1:

Garrus - Enjoyed the more I played the game. Initially thought he was interesting to look at and had a highly appealing voice. By the end of a couple of playthroughs, I had a video game crush on the guy. He could do no wrong.

Kaidan - I had played and loved KoTOR and Carth (don't judge me) and hoped for more of that. I liked Kaidan, but he didn't wow me.

Tali - Indifferent. I wasn't keen on the voice nor on the accent. And talking about Quarian civilization got boring after awhile. But she was cute and inoffensive for the most part. I couldn't (and still can't) see why my husband had a thing for her, but that's probably because female backsides and hips do nothing for me.

Wrex - Initially indifferent, ultimately loved after multiple playthroughs. I loved his personality and sense of humor.

Ashley - Initially indifferent, ultimately liked. She seemed like she would make a good friend for Shepard. Her distrust of aliens didn't bother me in the slightest (and I really don't understand people who get up in arms about it).

Liara - Tried to like her, ended up loathing her. I hate the naive virgin archetype and Bioware made it worse by making her a ****** fantasy super young asari. The only good thing about her is that I can do her recruitment mission right before Ilos and so can avoid her for 99% of the game.



ME2 (including all DLC):

Garrus - I had expected none of the former squadmates to return, so I had been looking forward to a new Turian with a new background. But then I found out it was Garrus and that Bioware had done the unthinkable and made him a romance. And a really cute romance since they wouldn't rely on titillation to make it appealing. So I was back in love with my video game crush.

Tali - Much improved. Her pilgrimage was over and it was nice seeing her in charge of something (her research mission) at the beginning of the game. I was confused and pleased that she didn't drop everything to join me right then. I really really really enjoyed her loyalty mission (aside from Hale's overacting) and watching her interactions with other Quarians. And the 'linking suits' comment got me feeling all warm and fuzzy.

Miranda - Disliked. She was a constant visual reminder of the crowd which Bioware focuses on attracting. I was so exceedingly happy when the alternate appearance pack came out with armor for her. I was better able to take her more seriously as a character. But her face is.. strange.. and I don't like her voice. I had no interest in her internal struggle with her genetics and her relationship with her father. I've read enough versions of that archetype.

Jack - Loved. The tattooed-bad-girl-with-a-rough-history thing was terribly cliche, but I loved Jack anyway. Her "you sound like a p****" cracks me up every time. I wish there had been more dialogue with her to round her out more for femShep.

Jacob - Liked. He seemed like a good dude, though the black-guy-with-daddy-issues thing is overplayed (and I say this as a black woman). I thought he made a good friend for Shepard.

Mordin - Very much liked. Typical regret and remorse story, but it was neat to watch him struggle with the ethics of the Genophage. And he gets extra points for Gilbert and Sullivan.

Thane - Liked. My expectations were high, so I ended up being disappointed and didn't love him in ME2. Learning about his species and its relationship with the Hanar was interesting. I liked that he was polite and his romance was very sweet, but his loyalty mission was basically a rehash of Carth's personal mission in KoTOR. His voice was a little too flanged, I really didn't like his eyes going every which way during his flashbacks (though the concept of the flashbacks was neat), and the overall design from the neck down was.. not very appealing. And his being terminally ill was annoying.

Grunt - Indifferent. He was really forgettable overall. I liked having him around just as a Krogan so I could sorta re-live my preferred Garrus/Wrex combo. I did like the way his immature head plate was designed.

Samara - Indifferent. She seemed like a decent individual, but her zealotry bored me.

Morinth - Loved what little there was of her. Walking succubus cliche with very little to say.

Legion - Loved what little there was of him. Loved his loyalty mission and interacting with him. Wish we could have gotten him much earlier in the game.

Zaeed - Loved. Downloadable Canderous with a basic revenge mission. Couldn't complain too much about that.

Kasumi - Loved. Loved loved looooved. There were few times when she would speak and I wouldn't laugh or at least smile. Delightful, fun character. A nice change of pace from the srs bsns tone of the game.

Kaidan/Ashley - Liked. I wish there had been more time to discuss Shepard's death with them (like meet up with them somewhere after Horizon), but I didn't mind what little we were given. Didn't change my opinion of them.

Wrex - Loved. I loved how he was putting forth effort to pull his people together. And that 'my friend' line nearly makes me cry every time.

Liara - Tried to give her a second chance, ended up hating her even more, especially with LotSB. The forced hug when you go to see her, the horribly delivered 'flay' line, the 'couldn't let you go' line (what?? My femShep picked you up right before Ilos, you didn't even know her!), Shepard's armor in her apartment, and grabbing her to move her out of the way instead of my LI. Seriously, Bioware? At least she was visually way more appealing in LotSB.



ME3 (including all DLC):

Garrus - Favorite Mass Effect character period. Bioware blew me away with his romance this round. I don't think he changed much, if at all, but that's the way I like it. Many heartfelt moments with him throughout the third game.

Tali - Liked very much. Found myself wishing we could have picked her up earlier to have more time with her.

Miranda - Indifferent. I admire that she did what she could to save her sister (again). And I like that I didn't know whether or not to trust her when she would show up from time to time throughout the game. The Citadel DLC worked wonders for her in giving her a chance to just hang out with Shepard. Almost made me wish I liked her more. I would have preferred those scenes with Ashley, though.

Jack - Loved. I still love her personality. And that she's helping out in a way that's meaningful for her.

Jacob - Liked. I was happy for him that he found someone (since he was never my LI I never got to feel betrayed) and hanging out in the Citadel DLC was fun.

Mordin - Very much liked. I was happy for him when he finally got to atone for the Genophage, but I miss the previous voice actor.

Thane - Liked. I only had one character romance him and she moved on to Kaidan in ME3, so I didn't have the heartbreak that other people who romanced him had to suffer. The prayer was a major tear-jerker. And I loved that Kolyat was involved in his life.

Grunt - Loved with the Citadel DLC. I was surprised how happy I was to see him on his mission and I was on the edge of my seat wondering if he'd survived the ravagers. His hospital escape story and watching the door at the party sealed the deal. He is adorable.

Samara - Liked with the Citadel DLC. I had a mixed reaction to her nearly commiting suicide in order to avoid killing Falere, but I enjoyed the non-romantic interaction in the dlc when they're discussing the two volus. It showed a less serious side of her.

Morinth - Indifferent. She was a banshee and had to die, not much else to it.

Legion - Loved. I struggled with what my Shepard would see and what I saw, trying to determine whether I thought Legion and the Geth could count as life. He made it difficult to trust him, but it paid off.

Zaeed - Loved. Still that gruff Canderous I loved in the second game.

Kasumi - Loved. I just wish there had been more of her.

Kaidan - Liked. He was an inoffensive nice guy, same as in ME1.

Ashley - Liked. I wish we had more interactions with her, though. And I don't like that all we had Citadel DLC-wise was the drunk night out.

Wrex - Loved. He's like my Shepard's brother by this point.

Liara - Loathed. The forced missions and unskippable dialogue with her were really annoying. Bioware decided to roll back the clock on her appearance and made her closer to her ugly ME1 self. She was and is my least favorite fictional character in any medium of all time. I wish I could have avoided her more. I will say I think I'm the only person who really despises Liara but thinks her reaction on Thessia was reasonable, though.

Steve - Liked. Nice guy overall.

Samantha - Loved. Fun, intelligent, sweet, and experienced. I've enjoyed what I've seen of her romance (although the shower scene was a little gratuitous).

James - Loved. Reminded me of my male friends growing up.



TL;DR:

Garrus - Loved -> really loved -> adored.

Tali - Indifferent -> liked -> liked very much.

Miranda - Disliked -> indifferent.

Jack - Loved -> loved.

Jacob - Liked -> liked.

Mordin - Very much liked -> very much liked.

Thane - Liked -> liked.

Grunt - Indifferent -> loved.

Samara - Indifferent -> liked.

Morinth - Loved -> indifferent.

Legion - Loved -> loved.

Zaeed - Loved -> loved.

Kasumi - Loved -> loved.

Kaidan - Liked -> liked -> liked.

Ashley - Liked -> liked -> liked.

Wrex - Loved -> loved -> loved.

Liara -
Loathed -> loathed more -> despised.

Steve - Liked.

Samantha -
Loved.

James - Loved.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 15 juillet 2013 - 02:59 .