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People hating on ME3 yet thinking ME2 is "perfect"


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The Heretic of Time

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 Seriously, I've seen people like this. People who talk absolute trash about ME3 and point out all the flaws in that game (especially the flaws in the plot and story), yet these same people are completely blind to (many) flaws of ME2.

To point out a few of ME2's major flaws story-wise:


- The Lazarus Project: 

An over-complicated and nonsensical way of separating Shepard from his crew and railroading him into working with Cerberus. This could actually have been cool if the Lazarus Project has any further ramifications on the galaxy and Shepard himself (look at Deus Ex: Human Revolution for an example of a similar project done right).


- The status-quo of the plot: 

ME2 really does nothing to further the overall plot of Mass Effect. At the end of the game we're literally no single step further into preparing foe the reapers than we were at the start of the game, especially when you blew up the Collector base. At the end of ME2 the galaxy is ever so unprepared as at the end of ME1, even less so, because:


- The Council retcon:

The Council acknowledged Sovereign to be a reaper and acknowledged that we need to prepare ourselves for the reapers. This is completely retconned in ME2. The ME2 turned the council into an even more ridiculously stupid bunch than they already were in ME1.


- Giant Baby Arnold:

Seriously, the human terminator reaper at the end of ME2 is ridiculous. It just looks silly, it makes no sense and the purpose of this giant terminator reaper is never explained in this game or the next. Seriously, what was the point of the Collectors, what was the point of starting the harvest before the reapers were even there and what was the point of Giant Baby Arnold Terminator Reaper?


These are just a few of my complaints about ME2.


So tell me people, how is it possible to hate ME3 yet love ME2 at the same time? How can you point out all the flaws in ME3 yet be absolutely blind to the flaws of ME2? I would very much like to know that.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 13 juillet 2013 - 08:30 .


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Well I acknowledge the flaws in ME2, but still enjoyed it more over ME3

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

So tell me people, how is it possible to hate ME3 yet love ME2 at the same time? How can you point out all the flaws in ME3 yet be absolutely blind to the flaws of ME2? I would very much like to know that.


There's a couple psychological factors at play (if not more).

1) A sequel nearly ALWAYS has higher expectations than its predecessor.  Things that fans were willing to overlook in ME2 they are less forgiving about in ME3 because ME3 is supposed to be BETTER.  Added to that is the fact that ME3 was supposed to be the conclusion to all the things ME2 (and even ME1) just kicked down the road.

2) ME2 had an emotionally satisfying ending (even if it was about as logically sound).  People who are emotionally satisfied are far less likely to go hunting for the things they don't like.  Had the same fans went through ME2 with the same fine toothed comb, yeah, they could have found hundreds of things that irked them and angered them further... but they didn't particularly feel compelled to.  A happy ending cures many ills... whether that is fair to the work or not is irrelevant to the fact that it is what happens.

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The Crucible exists because of Mass Effect 2.

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The Lazarus Project was a great plot point, and you ought to learn what the term 'retcon' means before actually using it.

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David7204 wrote...

The Lazarus Project was a great plot point, and you ought to learn what the term 'retcon' means before actually using it.


Not really

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David7204 wrote...

The Lazarus Project was a great plot point


It was stupid. Very stupid.

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It wasn't the least bit stupid at all.

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You should probably change the title to: "People hating on ME3 yet thinking ME2 and ME1 are "perfect"."

They all have their problems, space magic, and silly plot solvers.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 13 juillet 2013 - 08:44 .


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Oh boy. What 'silly plot solvers' are in ME 1 and ME 2? And what 'space magic'?

Modifié par David7204, 13 juillet 2013 - 08:45 .


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David7204 wrote...

The Lazarus Project was a great plot point,


Nope, it was meaningless.

and you ought to learn what the term 'retcon' means before actually using it.


I know what retcon means thank you.

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ME1 was clearly the best of the trilogy story-wise, but playing it is a drag.

ME2 & 3, nonsense and all, are a lot more fun and I play them more.

That's just the way it goes with gaemz...

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Gosh, maybe someone should explain to me why exactly Lazarus is 'stupid' and 'meaningless' instead of droning on the same thing like a broken record?

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How was The Lazarus Project a great plot point?

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dreamgazer wrote...

You should probably change the title to: "People hating on ME3 yet thinking ME2 and ME1 are "perfect"."

They all have their problems, space magic, and silly plot solvers.


ME1's flaws are acceptable. I'm aware of the flaws, and ME1 is far from the best game ever. ME1's story is also far from the best story. It's rather mediocre, but fun and mostly coherent. At least ME1 doesn't have absolutely meaningless ass-pulls that get completely discarted 5 minutes later (e.g. Lazarus Project).

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David7204 wrote...

Gosh, maybe someone should explain to me why exactly Lazarus is 'stupid' and 'meaningless' instead of droning on the same thing like a broken record?


I did that in the OP. Maybe you should read it before droning on the same things like a broken record.

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It did an outstanding job of introducing the new characters, setting and tone. Miranda and Jacob, Cerberus and EDI. The new Normandy. New crew. It was an outstanding intro. It did a great job with the relationships of the characters from the best game, with Liara in particular.

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David7204 wrote...

Gosh, maybe someone should explain to me why exactly Lazarus is 'stupid' and 'meaningless' instead of droning on the same thing like a broken record?


How can Cerberus bring back the dead? Necromancy?

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Illusive man is the key to saving the galaxy :P No Cerberus=no Normandy. No Illusive man=no project Lazarus. So I would say project Lazarus was pretty damn important for the galaxy.

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I see absolutely no reason at all why an organization like Cerberus wouldn't be able to restore function to Shepard's brain and body 170 years in the future.

No reason at all.

Modifié par David7204, 13 juillet 2013 - 08:50 .


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ME2 is perfect.











For my tastes.

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David7204 wrote...

It did an outstanding job of introducing the new characters, setting and tone. Miranda and Jacob, Cerberus and EDI. The new Normandy. New crew. It was an outstanding intro. It did a great job with the relationships of the characters from the best game, with Liara in particular.

it introduces characters that shouldn't be introduced

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David7204 wrote...

It wasn't the least bit stupid at all.


It was Shepard dieing by falling through a planet's atmosphere and them finding her gorey mess weeks/months later and bringing her back to life. Very stupid.

Not that I particularly care if it was stupid, but I do perfer ME3 to ME2.

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Ridiculous. Skydivers have fallen from terminal velocity all the time. Some of them have even survived. Do they leave a 'gorey mess'? No.

Modifié par David7204, 13 juillet 2013 - 08:53 .


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ATiBotka wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Gosh, maybe someone should explain to me why exactly Lazarus is 'stupid' and 'meaningless' instead of droning on the same thing like a broken record?


How can Cerberus bring back the dead? Necromancy?


Hey.. if you can believe immortality is achieved in goop form, why cant a someone survive vacuum, reentry, the landing and then the environment?  Meat and tubes.. riiiiight.  You'd need a mop and a dust-buster to recovery shepards body.