IT is true.AresKeith wrote...
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Would anyone else prefer Indoctrination Theory as opposed to the ending we got?
If done properly and part of game, then yes
People hating on ME3 yet thinking ME2 is "perfect"
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:45
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IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
Just because you enjoy it more doesn't mean it has a better story.I enjoy CoD but i never said that it has great story.It doesn'tMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
And I disagree. Don't tell me that I'm wrong because I don't agree with you.
I think ME2 had a better story than both ME1 and ME3. I like the side quests, character missions, and overall tone and style of storytelling much better than ME1 or ME3.
Don't you get it?ME2 doesn't have a MAIN STORY,that's what i'm saying.Things like Miranda's sister and Thane's son are completely random.That's like saying you like Skyrim because it has an awesome story ( MAIN STORY 3 HOURZ LONG)
I do get it. Perfectly.
ME2 is a better game, and has a better story than either ME1 or ME3 in my opinion.
There is a main story. While it may not be very strong in the context of including ME1 or ME3, on its own, with all the other factors of the narrative and story included, it is indeed superior to ME1 and ME3, in my opinion.
As I said, please don't tell me I'm wrong for liking something.
CoD actually has a great story, far better than Mass Effect in fact (talking about CoD Black Ops 2 here).
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:46
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Mcfly616 wrote...
ME2 is a glorified side-story
And I think it is a brilliant addition to the main story.
We disagree. Am I right? Are you right? Are either of us right? Do people know that it's not possible to be objectively right in matters of perception and interpretation, especially in regards to art, such as storytelling?
#354
Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:48
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Mcfly616 wrote...
ME2 is a glorified side-story
Indeed. ME2 adds as much to the main-story of Mass Effect as filler episodes add to the main-story in anime series.
ME2 pretty much is the video-game equivalent of a filler-episode.
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:48
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Heretic_Hanar wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
Just because you enjoy it more doesn't mean it has a better story.I enjoy CoD but i never said that it has great story.It doesn'tMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
And I disagree. Don't tell me that I'm wrong because I don't agree with you.
I think ME2 had a better story than both ME1 and ME3. I like the side quests, character missions, and overall tone and style of storytelling much better than ME1 or ME3.
Don't you get it?ME2 doesn't have a MAIN STORY,that's what i'm saying.Things like Miranda's sister and Thane's son are completely random.That's like saying you like Skyrim because it has an awesome story ( MAIN STORY 3 HOURZ LONG)
I do get it. Perfectly.
ME2 is a better game, and has a better story than either ME1 or ME3 in my opinion.
There is a main story. While it may not be very strong in the context of including ME1 or ME3, on its own, with all the other factors of the narrative and story included, it is indeed superior to ME1 and ME3, in my opinion.
As I said, please don't tell me I'm wrong for liking something.
CoD actually has a great story, far better than Mass Effect in fact (talking about CoD Black Ops 2 here).
Raul Menendez ftw
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Heretic_Hanar wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
Just because you enjoy it more doesn't mean it has a better story.I enjoy CoD but i never said that it has great story.It doesn'tMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
And I disagree. Don't tell me that I'm wrong because I don't agree with you.
I think ME2 had a better story than both ME1 and ME3. I like the side quests, character missions, and overall tone and style of storytelling much better than ME1 or ME3.
Don't you get it?ME2 doesn't have a MAIN STORY,that's what i'm saying.Things like Miranda's sister and Thane's son are completely random.That's like saying you like Skyrim because it has an awesome story ( MAIN STORY 3 HOURZ LONG)
I do get it. Perfectly.
ME2 is a better game, and has a better story than either ME1 or ME3 in my opinion.
There is a main story. While it may not be very strong in the context of including ME1 or ME3, on its own, with all the other factors of the narrative and story included, it is indeed superior to ME1 and ME3, in my opinion.
As I said, please don't tell me I'm wrong for liking something.
CoD actually has a great story, far better than Mass Effect in fact (talking about CoD Black Ops 2 here).
I think CoD has a terrible and cliche'd "GO 'MURICA!" story. I don't think it stacks up to ME's story at all.
Do you get what I'm saying here? Are you seeing what I'm trying to show you guys?
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Main Story:The Reapers,their harvest,find a way to stop themMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Mcfly616 wrote...
ME2 is a glorified side-story
And I think it is a brilliant addition to the main story.
We disagree. Am I right? Are you right? Are either of us right? Do people know that it's not possible to be objectively right in matters of perception and interpretation, especially in regards to art, such as storytelling?
ME2:Collectors
i don't see how it is a great addition to the main story
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:50
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I think CoD has a terrible and cliche'd "GO 'MURICA!" story. I don't think it stacks up to ME's story at all.
You clearly haven't played CoD Black Ops 2. And don't lie and say you did, because you clearly didn't.
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:50
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I think CoD has a terrible and cliche'd "GO 'MURICA!" story. I don't think it stacks up to ME's story at all.
Do you get what I'm saying here? Are you seeing what I'm trying to show you guys?
... that opinions are like poop chutes?
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:51
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ME2 is not perfect. ME2 has terminator(!) in the end and still it's better than ME3 ****** ending. Also ME2 didn't try to kick me in the gut.
Agree bout COD BO(BO2), one of the best story in FPS for a long time. Also it has decisions that actually matter
Agree bout COD BO(BO2), one of the best story in FPS for a long time. Also it has decisions that actually matter
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:51
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Wait, ME2 is a brilliant addition to the main story?
How?
It doesn't add anything to the main story. Shepard is in the same position he was in at the end of the last game.
How?
It doesn't add anything to the main story. Shepard is in the same position he was in at the end of the last game.
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:53
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I do get it. Perfectly.
ME2 is a better game, and has a better story than either ME1 or ME3 in my opinion.
There is a main story. While it may not be very strong in the context of including ME1 or ME3, on its own, with all the other factors of the narrative and story included, it is indeed superior to ME1 and ME3, in my opinion.
As I said, please don't tell me I'm wrong for liking something.
[/quote]Just because you enjoy it more doesn't mean it has a better story.I enjoy CoD but i never said that it has great story.It doesn't
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CoD actually has a great story, far better than Mass Effect in fact (talking about CoD Black Ops 2 here).
[/quote]it has potential,but they don't give the campaign enough focus.I know people who don't even touch CoD campaign.Only MP
ME2 is a better game, and has a better story than either ME1 or ME3 in my opinion.
There is a main story. While it may not be very strong in the context of including ME1 or ME3, on its own, with all the other factors of the narrative and story included, it is indeed superior to ME1 and ME3, in my opinion.
As I said, please don't tell me I'm wrong for liking something.
[/quote]Just because you enjoy it more doesn't mean it has a better story.I enjoy CoD but i never said that it has great story.It doesn't
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CoD actually has a great story, far better than Mass Effect in fact (talking about CoD Black Ops 2 here).
[/quote]it has potential,but they don't give the campaign enough focus.I know people who don't even touch CoD campaign.Only MP
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As much as I like ME2, it was a filler game because Bioware didn't know what to do for a trilogy
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Heretic_Hanar wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I think CoD has a terrible and cliche'd "GO 'MURICA!" story. I don't think it stacks up to ME's story at all.
You clearly haven't played CoD Black Ops 2. And don't lie and say you did, because you clearly didn't.
I didn't say Black Ops II. I said CoD, and I mean it in the general sense. Not to mention I over-generalized. That said, I have played Black Ops II. I know that it takes place in two separate time periods. I know that there are several in-game options that can take place that determine when and if characters die, such as Mason, or Woods. I never finished the campaign, because it didn't hold my interest. I didn't like it, and I didn't bother to finish it. From what I saw, it didn't stack up in the least to Mass Effect.
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:55
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dreamgazer wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I think CoD has a terrible and cliche'd "GO 'MURICA!" story. I don't think it stacks up to ME's story at all.
Do you get what I'm saying here? Are you seeing what I'm trying to show you guys?
... that opinions are like poop chutes?
Thank you. At least someone here gets it.
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Posté 13 juillet 2013 - 11:56
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15 Pages in 3 hours? Jesus.
Mass Effect 2 did have a point, it's called worldbuilding.
And Mass Effect 1's story isn't exactly groundbreaking or the Holy Grail of sci-fi, it's less 'Blade Runner', and more 'above average Star Trek TV Movie'.
Mass Effect 2 did have a point, it's called worldbuilding.
And Mass Effect 1's story isn't exactly groundbreaking or the Holy Grail of sci-fi, it's less 'Blade Runner', and more 'above average Star Trek TV Movie'.
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As much as I like ME2, it was a filler game because Bioware didn't know what to do for a trilogy
It ended up being filler, but the reason I think it did was because of the direction ME3 ended up going.
ME2 was leading up to a different ME3 to what we got. That's why it feels so disjointed in my opinion.
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I think CoD has a terrible and cliche'd "GO 'MURICA!" story. I don't think it stacks up to ME's story at all.
You clearly haven't played CoD Black Ops 2. And don't lie and say you did, because you clearly didn't.
I didn't say Black Ops II. I said CoD, and I mean it in the general sense. Not to mention I over-generalized. That said, I have played Black Ops II. I know that it takes place in two separate time periods. I know that there are several in-game options that can take place that determine when and if characters die, such as Mason, or Woods. I never finished the campaign, because it didn't hold my interest. I didn't like it, and I didn't bother to finish it. From what I saw, it didn't stack up in the least to Mass Effect.
Well, at least Black Ops 2 had choices with actual consequences that actually had a significant impact on the ending though. That's more than we can say of Mass Effect. Quite sad really, considering that ME is supposed to be an RPG while BO2 is just a FPS.
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ME2 is my favorite of the 3, but I'd hardly call it perfect. Some of it pisses me off. Kelly and all her messages, for example.. it just grates on me. Like I'm being rushed back and forth to check up on people. Just STFU Kelly.. I know the drill. I'm no newb to Bioware games. Anyone who's played these knows how to explore and talk to the party on their own. It's a newb feature. I hate it. lol
Somewhat tied to that is that there are too many squad members in ME2. Which means more and more nagging from Kelly. I think it's a badass team, but it could be slimmed down a bit.
Somewhat tied to that is that there are too many squad members in ME2. Which means more and more nagging from Kelly. I think it's a badass team, but it could be slimmed down a bit.
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For the record:
ME2 playing like a glorified DLC pack is what brought me to these boards in the first place.
ME3 being what is was has kept me here.
ME2 playing like a glorified DLC pack is what brought me to these boards in the first place.
ME3 being what is was has kept me here.
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Was Assassin's Creed Revelations filler?
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Personally I think they all have issues.
But ME1 was by far the best of them.
ME3 was alright, but Me2 was the worst.
They all share the issue---lack of female lore/notes and characters concepts.
Me2 had an issue of the normandy not having it's cargo sucked out when the giant eyeball thing smashed through the loading bay where Shep fought it for a long period of time during space flight.
Me3 had an issue of the magic turian moon breathing.
There are other space-magic problematic moments through-out the trilogy but ^those I remember off the top of my head.
But ME1 was by far the best of them.
ME3 was alright, but Me2 was the worst.
They all share the issue---lack of female lore/notes and characters concepts.
Me2 had an issue of the normandy not having it's cargo sucked out when the giant eyeball thing smashed through the loading bay where Shep fought it for a long period of time during space flight.
Me3 had an issue of the magic turian moon breathing.
There are other space-magic problematic moments through-out the trilogy but ^those I remember off the top of my head.
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Yeah, ME1 is severely overrated on this forum.Finn the Jakey wrote...
And Mass Effect 1's story isn't exactly groundbreaking or the Holy Grail of sci-fi, it's less 'Blade Runner', and more 'surprisingly good Star Trek TV Movie'.
As far as story-based RPGs with sh!tty TPS combat go, I much prefer Alpha Protocol.
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That is not true. ME2 clearly already is a filler as soon as you blow up the Collector base.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
As much as I like ME2, it was a filler game because Bioware didn't know what to do for a trilogy
It ended up being filler, but the reason I think it did was because of the direction ME3 ended up going.
The only thing that can potentially be gained in ME2 that could potentially have been of any significance was the Collector base. Without it, you're literally no furter than you were at the end of ME1.
ME2 literally is a status-quo. In the end of ME2 I couldn't help but conclude that story had not progressed one single inch from where it was at the end of ME1.
Please explain this, because I don't understand what you mean with this.ME2 was leading up to a different ME3 to what we got. That's why it feels so disjointed in my opinion.
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Heretic_Hanar wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I think CoD has a terrible and cliche'd "GO 'MURICA!" story. I don't think it stacks up to ME's story at all.
You clearly haven't played CoD Black Ops 2. And don't lie and say you did, because you clearly didn't.
I didn't say Black Ops II. I said CoD, and I mean it in the general sense. Not to mention I over-generalized. That said, I have played Black Ops II. I know that it takes place in two separate time periods. I know that there are several in-game options that can take place that determine when and if characters die, such as Mason, or Woods. I never finished the campaign, because it didn't hold my interest. I didn't like it, and I didn't bother to finish it. From what I saw, it didn't stack up in the least to Mass Effect.
Well, at least Black Ops 2 had choices with actual consequences that actually had a significant impact on the ending though. That's more than we can say of Mass Effect. Quite sad really, considering that ME is supposed to be an RPG while BO2 is just a FPS.
Yes it is quite sad.
Personally, I chalk that up to how bad ME3 ended up being in that aspect than to any merits that BO2 might've had. It wasn't that it was a massive achievement in storytelling, even beating out Mass Effect. It's that Mass Effect 3 just ended up being so bad with its payout for its storylines and decisions and choices that it was actually less than BO2, an FPS. As I said though, this is my opinion.
I can understand and accept that you might disagree, and rightfully so.
