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[The Heretic of Time]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

We should all just admit that no game in the ME series is better than the other and that all the games have their redeemable features.  From there, the developers can use that knowledge to create excellent titles.

Indeed, no ME game is better than the other, they're all equally crap.

Well, not entirely true though. I think can appreciate ME1, depsite the fact that it has clearly the most horrible gameplay of all 3 games (seriously, the gameplay of ME1 is a pain in the ass when I try to replay that game).

Despite having the worst gameplay, I think ME1 is easily the best title in the Mass Effect series.

ME2 and ME3 are equally crap though, although I think ME2 is slightly worse than ME3.

[AresKeith]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm a little confused why you call yourself Heretic Hanar if you dislike the series to that extent? I thought you were at least a minor fan, to make any kind of game reference for your name. Did you always dislike it? Or just grew to dislike it?

It's just a name, do you think IntelligentME3Fanboy has more meaning to the name?

[David7204]

That answer to that question is that people are being dishonest.

Most of the people in this thread whining about Mass Effect are really trying to convince themselves. It's basic logic that they wouldn't invest the copious amounts of time they do on this forum if they weren't very interested in the series.

Modifié par David7204, 14 juillet 2013 - 06:18 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

We should all just admit that no game in the ME series is better than the other and that all the games have their redeemable features.  From there, the developers can use that knowledge to create excellent titles.

Indeed, no ME game is better than the other, they're all equally crap.

Well, not entirely true though. I think can appreciate ME1, depsite the fact that it has clearly the most horrible gameplay of all 3 games (seriously, the gameplay of ME1 is a pain in the ass when I try to replay that game).

Despite having the worst gameplay, I think ME1 is easily the best title in the Mass Effect series.

ME2 and ME3 are equally crap though, although I think ME2 is slightly worse than ME3.

Can we all agree to disagree in our opinions? It doesn't seem like anyone is going to agree on anything here.

You don't like Mass Effect. I love it. Neither of us are wrong. We're both right. Can we all stop arguing subjective opinions? It seems that everybody is just talking in circles in this thread.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 14 juillet 2013 - 06:18 .

[o Ventus]

David7204 wrote...

That answer to that question is that people are being dishonest.

Most of the people in this thread whining about Mass Effect are really trying to convince themselves.

For once (again), I agree with you.

Complaining about legitimate complaints is fine so long as actual points are brought up. If the recent activity in this thread is any indicator (Chastising ME2 for having a "do this because I said so" plot but excusing Zelda for no good reason), that isn't actually happening.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Despite the recycled structure that every Zelda game follows, it still has a better and more solid plot than Mass Effect (well, ME2 at least).

Especially Zelda games like Skyward Sword and Majora's Mask are a lot deeper than just "collect X, defeat Y". Sure, it's not literary master piece and it certainly doesn't have the depth of say... The Witcher or... but keep in mind, Zelda is a game series created for all ages, but mainly for children.

Besides, Zelda is not even about the story. Zelda is about the sense of adventure and exploration. 

I never disagreed with this. Zelda games are great, I love them, but that's not the same as saying they have even a semi-compelling explanation for their stories.

It takes virtually nothing to come up with the premise (or even a villain)  for how to beat a Zelda game. I could give you a good 10-12 premises right now, just using an interchange of magical objects.
 
You used the Witcher as an example. I'll throw Game of Thrones as another. What neither of these have is a straightforward magical artifact capable of solving the story's conflict, typically established at the beginning. Both those examples rely on a complex interplay of political forces constantly interacting with each other as characters simply struggle to get by.

But Zelda? Like I said, it's a story uncomplicated by plotholes but mainly because the writers keep relying on vague explanations of magic to stop the villain (ususally Ganon for most the of the series' life) and drive the entire plot.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 14 juillet 2013 - 06:21 .

[David7204]

Here's what's going on. We have a lot of very powerless, very helpless people in this thread. As we are all in regards to Mass Effect. We're at the mercy of whatever the developers do. Basically, they have us by the balls, including myself. Don't they?

So what's the 'solution?' Try to deny that power. If someone doesn't care about Mass Effect, then BioWare has no more power over them. They're free.

It's most obvious with Shotgun_Julia. You very clearly have someone who cares immensely about the series, but is using clumsy insults and whining to try and convince herself she doesn't.

Modifié par David7204, 14 juillet 2013 - 06:22 .

[o Ventus]

StreetMagic wrote...

It's a cool name, if you ask me. (Heretic Hanar, I mean)

It's just odd.. he's played all 3 games, uses a cool reference to the Enkindlers, and still doesn't like the series? Come on. My money is that he liked it once, played it TOO MUCH, and simply burned out.

No. Burning out doesn't cause an active dislike for what you've burned out on. I like to think I would know, I've burned out on every single game I've played at some point or another.

[AresKeith]

Morocco Mole wrote...

David7024 is my second favorite poster after IntelligentME3Fanboy

$5 (from David) says there the same person lol

Modifié par AresKeith, 14 juillet 2013 - 06:24 .

[The Heretic of Time]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm a little confused why you call yourself Heretic Hanar if you dislike the series to that extent? I thought you were at least a minor fan, to make any kind of game reference for your name. Did you always dislike it? Or just grew to dislike it?

Grew to dislike it.

ME1 made me a major fan of Mass Effect (I could overlook the horrible gameplay back then).

ME2, when it came out, I was hyped and blinded by my fanboyism. Only when I played it a 2nd time did I start to see the glaring flaws of this game.

Playing ME2 several times made me realize how f*cked BioWare was. They wrote themselves into a corner and I had very little hope for ME3.

ME3 came out, played it once, never again. I had low hopes for ME3, but it turned out even worse than I actually expected it to be...

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Here's what's going on. We have a lot of very powerless, very helpless people in this thread. As we are all in regards to Mass Effect. We're at the mercy of whatever the developers do. Basically, they have us by the balls, including myself. Don't they?

No they don't. It's in fact the opposite. We have BioWare by  the balls if we actually started to talk with out wallets and simply refused to buy their crappy games, instead of being dumb blind fanboys who blindly pre-order and buy everything BioWare poops out, only to complain about t later.

I haven't bought a single piece of DLC from ME3, I refuse to pre-order DA3 and I'm certainly not going to buy any future BioWare games until I'm certain it's actually worth my time and money.


Either BioWare makes good games and they'll get my money, or they'll continue to f*ck up which means I'll continue to NOT buy their products.

More people should act this way. That way we could have BioWare by the balls.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 14 juillet 2013 - 06:35 .

[David7204]

Here's another tactic we commonly see on this forum - making frustration an issue of money. Posters pretending that they're upset with ME 3 because they 'wasted' 60 dollars. Pretending BioWare owes them because they spent money.

This is all nonsense. Nobody would ever spend 16 months on a forum because they lost 60 dollars. They would waste their life away complaining about a traffic ticket.

So why do they do it? Simple. Because they have no other justification for making demands out of BioWare. They have no other justification for an attitude of being 'owed.'

[The Heretic of Time]

David you can stop with the idiotic hyperboles and strawmen now. 


Nobody takes you seriously anyway, because you're talking nonsense.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 14 juillet 2013 - 06:43 .

[David7204]

I'm curious what 'hyperbole' you think was in my previous posts. It sounds to me as if you're merely picking these very silly phrases out of your little catalog of debating terms at random.

[The Heretic of Time]

Your entire previous post is a hyperbole and not even the slightest bit true (at least not in my case).

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Here's another tactic we commonly see on this forum - making frustration an issue of money. Posters pretending that they're upset with ME 3 because they 'wasted' 60 dollars. Pretending BioWare owes them because they spent money.

*Ahem* That's $80 thank you very much 

[The Heretic of Time]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Here's another tactic we commonly see on this forum - making frustration an issue of money. Posters pretending that they're upset with ME 3 because they 'wasted' 60 dollars. Pretending BioWare owes them because they spent money.

*Ahem* That's $80 thank you very much 

$100 in my case (I live in Europe, everything is more expensive here because of VAT bullcrap).