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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

David7204 wrote...

Here's what's going on. We have a lot of very powerless, very helpless people in this thread. As we are all in regards to Mass Effect. We're at the mercy of whatever the developers do. Basically, they have us by the balls, including myself. Don't they?

So what's the 'solution?' Try to deny that power. If someone doesn't care about Mass Effect, then BioWare has no more power over them. They're free.

It's most obvious with Shotgun_Julia. You very clearly have someone who cares immensely about the series, but is using clumsy insults and whining to try and convince herself she doesn't.

Okay, you threw out the bait here.

I'll freely admit. I do care immensely about the series. I'm not even trying to convince myself otherwise. Really, I wish I could. It saddened me to be able be able to visualize what could have been, then see what was done.

For example, it was absolutely painful playing Thessia with Ashley and Liara. I've played ME3 three times. This was the fourth, and I had to stop, and go straight to the Citadel DLC and call it quits. I've always done Thessia with Javik. Because I'm playing with an Adept I took Ash. We have a Prothean on the ship. Ashley recognizes the statues and carvings of the Goddess Athame as being a Prothean in shape. Yet Liara does not? WTF? The busts look exactly like Javik, and she doesn't think that it resembles a Prothean.  Walters? Are you an idiot? You broke suspension of disbelief there. You made your Prothean expert into a fool. Liara had sometimer's disease. Sometimes she remembered stuff and other times she forgot stuff. Basically she was plot putty in ME3. She wasn't a character anymore.

There's more but I don't want to write a long post. I want to play a round of golf.

[spirosz]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You made your Prothean expert into a fool. Liara had sometimer's disease.

Liara was a disaster in ME3.

[spirosz]

Morocco Mole wrote...

One could argue that Liara has always been the weakest character.

*sips soda*

*Cheers* 

[rashie]

Morocco Mole wrote...

One could argue that Liara has always been the weakest character.

*sips soda*

You could say that regarding ME1 and ME3, the ME2 Liara was awesome though, but i guess opinions differ as always.

On the topic of ME2, there's not much difference in regards to plot holes but it felt more like and RPG and not a story driven shooter and it had a way better ending, thus ranking higher on my list. It have flaws and is not perfect by all means still.

Modifié par rashie, 14 juillet 2013 - 08:33 .

[Mcfly616]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Here's what's going on. We have a lot of very powerless, very helpless people in this thread. As we are all in regards to Mass Effect. We're at the mercy of whatever the developers do. Basically, they have us by the balls, including myself. Don't they?

So what's the 'solution?' Try to deny that power. If someone doesn't care about Mass Effect, then BioWare has no more power over them. They're free.

It's most obvious with Shotgun_Julia. You very clearly have someone who cares immensely about the series, but is using clumsy insults and whining to try and convince herself she doesn't.

Okay, you threw out the bait here.

I'll freely admit. I do care immensely about the series. I'm not even trying to convince myself otherwise. Really, I wish I could. It saddened me to be able be able to visualize what could have been, then see what was done.

For example, it was absolutely painful playing Thessia with Ashley and Liara. I've played ME3 three times. This was the fourth, and I had to stop, and go straight to the Citadel DLC and call it quits. I've always done Thessia with Javik. Because I'm playing with an Adept I took Ash. We have a Prothean on the ship. Ashley recognizes the statues and carvings of the Goddess Athame as being a Prothean in shape. Yet Liara does not? WTF? The busts look exactly like Javik, and she doesn't think that it resembles a Prothean.  Walters? Are you an idiot? You broke suspension of disbelief there. You made your Prothean expert into a fool. Liara had sometimer's disease. Sometimes she remembered stuff and other times she forgot stuff. Basically she was plot putty in ME3. She wasn't a character anymore.

There's more but I don't want to write a long post. I want to play a round of golf.

one could probably say that she was in "denial". Like deeply in denial, as she's still demonstrating it even after Thessia when she's throwing temper tantrum in Javik's quarters. Her whole argument during that scene is based on her own denial.

Part of her knows what Javik says is true. She even acknowledges it in the temple. She just doesn't want to believe it. She doesn't want her peoples history to be a lie.


Now, when it comes to Liara, I just really miss that naive innocence from the first game. That's one of the things that had initially drawn me to her. I still can't decide if her character in ME2 was a complete departure from who she really is, or if its character growth as a result of her dealings with Shepards body and the Shadow Broker business. This still irks me.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Morocco Mole wrote...

You could say that regarding ME1 and ME3, the ME2 Liara was awesome though, but i guess opinions differ as always.

obsessed with Shepard for some reason

That was really the only thing she had going consistently.

[rashie]

Morocco Mole wrote...

You could say that regarding ME1 and ME3, the ME2 Liara was awesome though, but i guess opinions differ as always.

I am now a powerful information broker and obsessed with Shepard for some reason

Was more reffering to her personality change rather then ocupation, there's plot holes there too.  Liara have been obsessed with Shepard in all 3 games.

Modifié par rashie, 14 juillet 2013 - 08:39 .

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

One could argue that Liara has always been the weakest character.

*sips soda*

*Cheers* 

.  Thumbs up

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You made your Prothean expert into a fool. Liara had sometimer's disease.

Liara was a disaster.

[Mcfly616]

motomotogirl wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote... I did feel as ME3 brought things back to "normal."

I felt the same way. ME2's narrative was a side story. Like an episode from a tv series that tells another story that's tangent to the overall main narrative. ME3 got the focus back on the Reapers and the original crew.

Which is horrible.  The Reaper plot sucks and By "original team" I assume you mean Liara, the only ME1 squadmate who is a squadmate in 3 but not 2.

mhmm and that's your opinion. I find the Reapers to be far more mysterious and interesting than the Collectors. I find Liara and Ashley to be far more interesting than nearly every squadmate that debuted in ME2. In fact, I think the number of squadmates in 2 was a detriment to their character growth. They were all interesting but relatively shallow.

The Reapers represent the synthetics versus non-synthetics theme that permeates the whole series. It's so classic sci-fi, and I love it. 

As for the ME2 squadmates, it's not their fault they were victims of the "gather these characters before defeating the Big Bad!" plot  I remember I kept trying to speak to Miranda and checking the mission and the Wiki to figure out WHY I was supposed to be recruiting these people, lol!

Not to say that Jacob, Miranda, Samara, Thane, etc. weren't great, but I think the series would have been stronger if the same companions had been in every game. And I say this as a huge fan of the whole series.

yeah I can relate to pretty much all of this. Especially the classic Sci Fi tropes. It's been my favorite genre for the longest time. I guess thats one of the reasons I'm very fond of ME3. It just plays on so many different classic sci fi themes. Some bigger staples of the genre than others, but even the little things just pay homage to so much I've read when I was younger. It was nostalgic without even trying.

[Mcfly616]

rashie wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

You could say that regarding ME1 and ME3, the ME2 Liara was awesome though, but i guess opinions differ as always.

I am now a powerful information broker and obsessed with Shepard for some reason

Was more reffering to her personality change rather then ocupation, there's plot holes there too.  Liara have been obsessed with Shepard in all 3 games.

I've always got the feeling that she's loved Shepard since ME1 whether you romance her or not. Like a first love (or crush?) type thing. After all, you can fall for someone even though you're not with them. It's not uncommon, nor all that weird.


That being said, I understand those who can get annoyed with her following you around like a lost puppy.

[SNascimento]

ME2 is perfect.

Best game of the series, best game of this generation, best game of all time.

[dorktainian]

Morocco Mole wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

ME2 is perfect.

Best game of the series, best game of this generation, best game of all time.

No.

still much better than ME3.  ME2 is the class middle chapter of the trilogy.

[rashie]

SNascimento wrote...

ME2 is perfect.

Best game of the series, best game of this generation, best game of all time.

Best game of the series yes, best game of the generation and of all time? Now that's stretching it real far but its all subjective in the end still.

[wolfhowwl]

SNascimento wrote...

ME2 is perfect.

Best game of the series, best game of this generation, best game of all time.

It's not even the best Bioware game.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 14 juillet 2013 - 09:23 .

[wolfhowwl]

Morocco Mole wrote...

It's not even the best Bioware game.

Alas. The fandom shall never truly embrace Sonic Chronicles. But luckily, I have written enough erotic fanfiction for everyone.

*sips soda*

Sonic and Tails were just meant to be.

[Seboist]

SNascimento wrote...

ME2 is perfect.

Best game of the series, best game of this generation, best game of all time.

Yeah, sub-par Gears clone where you can't even roll or go from cover to cover, repetitive warehouse map design and AI straight out of the 90s is "perfect".

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

SNascimento wrote...

ME2 is perfect.

Best game of the series, best game of this generation, best game of all time.

www.youtube.com/watch

nice one

Modifié par IntelligentME3Fanboy, 14 juillet 2013 - 09:32 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Mcfly616 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I'll freely admit. I do care immensely about the series. I'm not even trying to convince myself otherwise. Really, I wish I could. It saddened me to be able be able to visualize what could have been, then see what was done.

For example, it was absolutely painful playing Thessia with Ashley and Liara. I've played ME3 three times. This was the fourth, and I had to stop, and go straight to the Citadel DLC and call it quits. I've always done Thessia with Javik. Because I'm playing with an Adept I took Ash. We have a Prothean on the ship. Ashley recognizes the statues and carvings of the Goddess Athame as being a Prothean in shape. Yet Liara does not? WTF? The busts look exactly like Javik, and she doesn't think that it resembles a Prothean.  Walters? Are you an idiot? You broke suspension of disbelief there. You made your Prothean expert into a fool. Liara had sometimer's disease. Sometimes she remembered stuff and other times she forgot stuff. Basically she was plot putty in ME3. She wasn't a character anymore.

There's more but I don't want to write a long post. I want to play a round of golf.

one could probably say that she was in "denial". Like deeply in denial, as she's still demonstrating it even after Thessia when she's throwing temper tantrum in Javik's quarters. Her whole argument during that scene is based on her own denial.

Part of her knows what Javik says is true. She even acknowledges it in the temple. She just doesn't want to believe it. She doesn't want her peoples history to be a lie.


Now, when it comes to Liara, I just really miss that naive innocence from the first game. That's one of the things that had initially drawn me to her. I still can't decide if her character in ME2 was a complete departure from who she really is, or if its character growth as a result of her dealings with Shepards body and the Shadow Broker business. This still irks me.

There is one thing about an average person being in deep denial about their history. There is yet another when a highly educated, supposedly highly intelligent expert in the field is presented with a cold hard fact to the contrary right in front of their face. It would amount to "This changes things." I've been there.

Liara's innocence was gone in ME2. You could see that it was gone. It was gone at the beginning of ME3, and through the story except for a few remarks. Then all of a sudden Rannoch. If you kill off the Geth, she's like half-way in mourning. WTF writers? She was killing them side by side with you on Therum, Noveria, Virmire, Ilos, and possibly Feros, and the Citadel. WTF? I'm guessing Mac said.... "I think we need to bring back some of that innocence in Liara, to set her up for the fall of Thessia."

You know all those click of the mouse retrieval things on worlds that have reaper activity? Those are missions. We just don't go there to do them, because they would have taken up too much disk space to actually write them. Liara has seen these places. How else did we get these things? Space Magic? Well, the stuff around gas giants I guess were stuck in orbit.

Then Thessia falls. Right. Okay, Mac, can you write? This character has witnessed the fall of Palaven, seen Tuchanka, seen the reapers on other worlds, heard reports from all over the galaxy, has been to Khar'shan to retrieve the "Pillars of Strength" even though it was only a click of the mouse -- it was a mission -- Khar'shan was reaped and was in flames. And then when Thessia falls she was totally taken by surprise? Super Mac! WTF? Can you rite yur name evun? Character consistency. Yes, have her be upset. Sad, angry. (Shepard dreams about a kid for the fall of earth.... good one Mac) But having her forger what Javik looks like and go into complete denial at a time like this? Stupid. But then what can one expect from someone who wrote the "Choose your own death and color of how to mangle the MEU" Ending? 

Super Mac, you can't have it both ways!

[Raizo]

ME2 wasn't perfect, pretty far from it, but I had a lot of fun playing ME2, ME2 made me eager to play more ME games and to spend more time exploring the ME Universe and interact with all it's characters. ME3 was a hateful gameplay experience for me, I get very little enjoyment from playing it. ME3 made me hate and despise the ME Universe, made me hate and despise Bioware, it was like they Casey Hudson and Mac Walters decided to burn the whole entire ME universe down because they were tired of working on it and they did not want anyone else to have anything to do with it.