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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Wolfva2 wrote...

I pretty much agree with you, but I do think there is a 'magical realm of never done before stuff'...but there's a reason it's never been done.  I give you...SHARKNADO!


WARNING:  Do not watch if holding something hard...facepalm moments incomming.

I've actually seen worse. I think. No ... wait ... I haven't ... unless this is a comedy, right? Tell me it's a comedy.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

I pretty much agree with you, but I do think there is a 'magical realm of never done before stuff'...but there's a reason it's never been done.  I give you...SHARKNADO!


WARNING:  Do not watch if holding something hard...facepalm moments incomming.

I've actually seen worse. I think. No ... wait ... I haven't ... unless this is a comedy, right? Tell me it's a comedy.

No. But it is glorious!

[Zazzerka]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yes, I'm actually criticizing the way they wrote Liara throughout the series. Me of all people. She's one of my favorite characters.

Even super-fans are allowed to have gripes. I think they should've either not made her the Shadow Broker, or made the SB into a less powerful entity. Too much is expected of her as it is. And all of this is relevent to ME2, as well, so I'm not being off-topic. I like that.

BUT I'LL STICK WITH HER ALL THE SAME

Modifié par Zazzerka, 15 juillet 2013 - 04:33 .

[The Don's Hound]

Zazzerka wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yes, I'm actually criticizing the way they wrote Liara throughout the series. Me of all people. She's one of my favorite characters.

Even super-fans are allowed to have gripes. I think they should've either not made her the Shadow Broker, or made the SB into a less powerful entity. Too much is expected of her as it is. And all of this is relevent to ME2, as well, so I'm not being off-topic. I like that.

BUT I'LL STICK WITH HER ALL THE SAME

THIS MAN SEES THE LIGHT

[dreamgazer]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

I pretty much agree with you, but I do think there is a 'magical realm of never done before stuff'...but there's a reason it's never been done.  I give you...SHARKNADO!


WARNING:  Do not watch if holding something hard...facepalm moments incomming.

I've actually seen worse. I think. No ... wait ... I haven't ... unless this is a comedy, right? Tell me it's a comedy.

It's an Asylum production.  Therefore it's played pretty straight, but you're not intened to take an ounce of it seriously. 

[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yes, I'm actually criticizing the way they wrote Liara throughout the series. Me of all people. She's one of my favorite characters.

Even super-fans are allowed to have gripes. I think they should've either not made her the Shadow Broker, or made the SB into a less powerful entity. Too much is expected of her as it is. And all of this is relevent to ME2, as well, so I'm not being off-topic. I like that.

BUT I'LL STICK WITH HER ALL THE SAME

I dont even do that little gift in London...

[RadicalDisconnect]

After reading the first 8 pages or so, I think David7204 needs to go back to physics class.

ME2 would've been fine as a standalone, but it did little to connect and advance the plot of ME1. Adding so many new characters and variables partly set up ME3 for disappointment.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 15 juillet 2013 - 04:59 .

[Han Shot First]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

spirosz wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You made your Prothean expert into a fool. Liara had sometimer's disease.

Liara was a disaster in ME3.

ME3 was Liara's best outing IMO, other than the Shadow Broker being treated as background information to read on a terminal. She was a far more interesting character in the third game than in the first.

Subjective at best.  

Ditto. All I can say about Liara is that she sounds like she's constantly out of breath when she speaks. I don't find her remotely interesting to be honest.

Different strokes for different folks. I thought the same about Miranda in Mass Effect 3. She was basically rehashing her ME2 loyalty mission, meanwhile the Reapers are busy annihilating civilization. Besides her priorities being out of order, it was dull.

That being said, I also think there were some problems with how Liara was written. Not necessarily in ME3, but rather in how her character evolved between Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2. I rather like the shift from archaeologist to information broker and the the more ruthless streak, but it needed some exposition.
 
Of course exposition is a little bit difficult to pull off when a character has been reduced to a cameo (vanilla ME2), but the details and how she transitioned from an archeologist to an information broker would have made for a much better setting for a comic than the most recent one. Did we really need a background story on how the Crucible was discovered? Wasn't it enough to just say the plans were found in the Mars Archives?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 15 juillet 2013 - 04:44 .

[Zazzerka]

Steelcan wrote...

I dont even do that little gift in London...

I go to the effort of keeping your waifu alive in my playthroughs. Show some gratitude.

[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I dont even do that little gift in London...

I go to the effort of keeping your waifu alive in my playthroughs. Show some gratitude.

.  I do talk to het after missions.  I dobt just let her sit in the XO office by herself 24/7

[Barquiel]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

WHAT'S THIS? LIARA?

DON'T START WITHOUT ME

Yes, I'm actually criticizing the way they wrote Liara throughout the series. Me of all people. She's one of my favorite characters.

My only problem with ME3 Liara is the frustrating friendzoning in the middle of the story, and I can't even blame ME2 here. As I don't have From Ashes her dialogue on Thessia made sense for me (I used EDI).

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

There's this idea, I think, that just around the corner, there's a whole wealth of totally new super-good video game stories. That just around the corner, there's all kinds of crazy opportunities that nobody has tried because greedy publishers just want to sell shooting games. That just around the corner, there's super-duper mature realistic stories that are just waiting for us once we learn that combat video games are for silly kids and teens.

And it's a delusion.

It's not around the corner, and it's not a delusion either. It's real and it's already here, installed on my PC. It's called "The Witcher". You should try it some time.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 15 juillet 2013 - 05:23 .

[David7204]

Really? It seems to me the Witcher has been quietly passed by for the most part. I would have thought such a thing would have heralded a little more excitement.

Modifié par David7204, 15 juillet 2013 - 05:26 .

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Really? It seems to me the Witcher has been quietly passed by for the most part. I would have thought such a thing would have heralded a little more excitement.

You must have been living under a rock.

[Seboist]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There's this idea, I think, that just around the corner, there's a whole wealth of totally new super-good video game stories. That just around the corner, there's all kinds of crazy opportunities that nobody has tried because greedy publishers just want to sell shooting games. That just around the corner, there's super-duper mature realistic stories that are just waiting for us once we learn that combat video games are for silly kids and teens.

And it's a delusion.

It's not around the corner, and it's not a delusion either. It's real and it's already here, installed on my PC. It's called "The Witcher". You should try it some time.

Yeah, you dont' see Foltest and Shillard in the intro of TW2 acting like groveling retards to stroke the player's ego in the most juvenile manner possible ala ME3 intro.

[HellbirdIV]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Seriously, I've seen people like this. People who talk absolute trash about ME3 and point out all the flaws in that game (especially the flaws in the plot and story), yet these same people are completely blind to (many) flaws of ME2.

ME2 was never perfect. What it was, is good.

There is no such thing as a perfect game or story.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Barquiel wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

WHAT'S THIS? LIARA?

DON'T START WITHOUT ME

Yes, I'm actually criticizing the way they wrote Liara throughout the series. Me of all people. She's one of my favorite characters.

My only problem with ME3 Liara is the frustrating friendzoning in the middle of the story, and I can't even blame ME2 here. As I don't have From Ashes her dialogue on Thessia made sense for me (I used EDI).

Yes, friendzoning. Beginning of story if you played LotSB -- "Shall we pick up where we left off?" .... "Yes."

Middle of story: ".... just friends." "WTF?"

The Thessia dialogue made no sense if you had "From Ashes".

And I agree there was very little background as to how she went from archaeologist to information broker. I guess there weren't any openings for Assistant Professors of Archaeology on Thessia, so like a lot of us with useless degrees (music here) we go to work in unrelated fields. But what gets me is that she had very poor people skills in ME1 and now she's an information broker and one of the best on Illium in ME2.

I'm guessing part of the whole becoming an information broker thing was looking for your remains and finding clues. In this way the two fields are related in connecting the dots. Then it became a personal vendetta against the Shadow Broker. And as the Shadow Broker too much was expected. However, she was the one who was originally supposed to have gotten the intel on where Kai Leng went after Thessia, not Traynor. That was in an old script. It was given to Traynor so Traynor wouldn't be Kelly version 2.0.

We must remember she is not trained military. She is still a civilian. But the writing teamS should have coordinated better.  Hell, they should have coordinated better on the entire game.

Miranda was another disconnect. WTF? Okay Miranda I know you're on the run from assassins. I know you're concerned about your sister. Maybe you should get another look. You know something that doesn't stand out in a crowd and say "Hey, I'm Miranda Lawson. And this is my ass."

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Seboist wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

There's this idea, I think, that just around the corner, there's a whole wealth of totally new super-good video game stories. That just around the corner, there's all kinds of crazy opportunities that nobody has tried because greedy publishers just want to sell shooting games. That just around the corner, there's super-duper mature realistic stories that are just waiting for us once we learn that combat video games are for silly kids and teens.

And it's a delusion.

It's not around the corner, and it's not a delusion either. It's real and it's already here, installed on my PC. It's called "The Witcher". You should try it some time.

Yeah, you dont' see Foltest and Shillard in the intro of TW2 acting like groveling retards to stroke the player's ego in the most juvenile manner possible ala ME3 intro.

David, I suggest you play TW2 Enhanced Edition.

[Seboist]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Seriously, I've seen people like this. People who talk absolute trash about ME3 and point out all the flaws in that game (especially the flaws in the plot and story), yet these same people are completely blind to (many) flaws of ME2.

ME2 was never perfect. What it was, is good.

There is no such thing as a perfect game or story.

It's only "good" if you like the characters and setting. Otherwise you just have a sub-par TPS and a plot that's somewhere between a sci-fi channel original movie and Plan 9 from outer space.

[HellbirdIV]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Okay Miranda I know you're on the run from assassins. I know you're concerned about your sister. Maybe you should get another look. You know something that doesn't stand out in a crowd and say "Hey, I'm Miranda Lawson. And this is my ass."

Well you can't blame her. It's her only defining character trait.

[The Heretic of Time]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

It's not around the corner, and it's not a delusion either. It's real and it's already here, installed on my PC. It's called "The Witcher". You should try it some time.

Now I enjoyed The Witcher and recently The Witcher two, but that's silly. It's story really is very little, if any, better than MEs.

It's A LOT better than Mass Effect's story. It's mature, it's realistic, it reflects on human nature and real-life issues in a subtile and mature way. It does politics correctly, unlike Mass Effect's politicians which are hilarious 2D cardboard cut-outs that function as a verbal punching bag for the powertripping player to feel cool and satisfied about himself. it actually gives you real consequences to your choices, in a subtile and realistic way and unlike Mass Effect the story of The Witcher has some actual DEPTH, it actually goes deeper than McGuffin collect-a-ton.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 15 juillet 2013 - 05:39 .