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[BaladasDemnevanni]

Shepard was only mostly dead.

[The Night Mammoth]

David7204 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So we're just going to discount the amount of force impacting the ground from space would cause to the suit than? or the damage ice causes to the liquid inside a persons body? You know, frostbite from being in - 22 degree celsius weather, not to mention the air being composed of methane and ammonia, not good things you want seeping into your body and forming ice crystals.

See, you say 'from space' as if that makes a difference. At Shepard's speed, terminal velocity is terminal velocity. It really does not matter how far you've fallen from. Yes, there no doubt be significant damage. (And indeed there was.) But nothing that I see as beyond repair in 2183 by Cerberus.

So basically, people shouldn't have a problem 'because science'?

[The Heretic of Time]

erezike wrote...
 the hard part was keeping his brain functioning and memories intact. 

You must not have been paying much attention during ME2. Shepard's brain functioning was gone. He was DEAD, absolutely, 100% DEAD!

His memories were not in tact either. They were GONE. Cerberus had to completely reconstruct his memories from scratch.

How they did that? I don't know. The game never bothers explaining that. It's just another case of "space magic" at work.

[Cainhurst Crow]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Shepard was only mostly dead.

Because shepard wore a helmet.

Remember kids, ride safe, and always wear a helmet.

[Straw Nihilist]

I'm no carpenter but if a guy falls from orbit onto a planet wouldn't he (a) get incinerated by the atmosphere or ( if there is no atmosphere wouldn't he become a soup stain on the surface?

[David7204]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

David7204 wrote...

See, you say 'from space' as if that makes a difference. At Shepard's speed, terminal velocity is terminal velocity. It really does not matter how far you've fallen from. Yes, there no doubt be significant damage. (And indeed there was.) But nothing that I see as beyond repair in 2183 by Cerberus.

So basically, people shouldn't have a problem 'because science'?

Because it's perfectly reasonable to believe, if told, that an organization like Cerberus could restore function to Shepard's brain and body in 2183.

Modifié par David7204, 13 juillet 2013 - 09:52 .

[Erez Kristal]

he was dead a 100% which is why i wrote the hard part was to make sure his brain and memories was intact.
Getting his new body working was a big deal.
It was all about his brain and memories.
Thats why the project cost so much, and thats why it took so long. it was all about the brain.
this is 2185 not 2013 and they didnt make it easy.
they didnt hand wave it.

Get over it folks.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Instead of hashing out an endless cycle of quote pyramids, I'm just going to laugh at how utterly ridiculous David's argument about atmospheric re-entry is.

And he calls himself a physicist.

Ok, here's your problem. You're equating the atmosphere to a brick wall. Even if you're denying it, you did it. The atmosphere exists, and its existence causes friction on a high velocity object (on any object). The gravity meanwhile is pulling Shepard, who is already flying at hypersonic speed in space down towards the planet, through the atmosphere. As he is dragged through the atmosphere, he is slowed down due to friction, which causes him to heat up. Depending on the shape, angle, and velocity of the object (i.e. Shepard) when it approaches the atmosphere depends on how hot he burns - not that it really matters: the temperature is going to be well above 2000 degree's farenheit either way. That is most certainly fatal without specially built protective heat shields. Meanwhile, gravity is also pulling at him. And it's speeding him up. This causes more friction as he falls deeper and deeper in to the atmosphere, thus more heat. How he's not a bag of cinders right now is a bloody miracle of science (AKA plot contrivance). And as he's falling his velocity is increasing due to the increasing pull of gravity, and his own incredible velocity when he hit the atmosphere.

To use a good analogy: without plot contrivance, he'd be a flaming paintball smashing into a concrete road. depending on the angle of how he hit, he might even leave a big splash.

I didn't even put in the part about mass hitting an object of mass.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 13 juillet 2013 - 09:58 .

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

It's a very specific circumstance

You keep saying that as if that makes a difference or puts weight to your (non-sensical) arguments...

[The Night Mammoth]

David7204 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

David7204 wrote...

See, you say 'from space' as if that makes a difference. At Shepard's speed, terminal velocity is terminal velocity. It really does not matter how far you've fallen from. Yes, there no doubt be significant damage. (And indeed there was.) But nothing that I see as beyond repair in 2183 by Cerberus.

So basically, people shouldn't have a problem 'because science'?

Because it's perfectly reasonable to believe, if told, that an organization like Cerberus could restore function to Shepard's brain and body in 2183.

Yes, 'because science'. Or 'because it's the future'.

Why am I even arguing this? Not just because of who I'm talking to, but I don't even really care about the specifics and the logic behind the actual ressurection of Shepard. It's something that, if BioWare were ever going to explain properly, would have had to put in a sh*t-ton of effort that the vast majority of people wouldn't understand of give a damn about. I have problems with it that don't have anything to do with a logical explanation of how it's possible.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 juillet 2013 - 09:58 .

[Erez Kristal]

Billie Bones wrote...

I'm no carpenter but if a guy falls from orbit onto a planet wouldn't he (a) get incinerated by the atmosphere or ( if there is no atmosphere wouldn't he become a soup stain on the surface?

Depends on the capabilities of his suit.

[David7204]

Billie Bones wrote...

I'm no carpenter but if a guy falls from orbit onto a planet wouldn't he (a) get incinerated by the atmosphere or ( if there is no atmosphere wouldn't he become a soup stain on the surface?

(a) Unless he's already moving towards the planet at a high speed, no.

( People generally don't become soup stains when they hit the ground at terminal velocity.

Modifié par David7204, 13 juillet 2013 - 09:54 .

[tonnactus]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

ME2 had the most enjoyable/memorable cast.

Well, this is quite funny. A lot of people didnt like Kaidan and call him whiney despite he solved the issues with his past himself. Yet many find the Mass Effect 2 cast enjoyable...

[The Heretic of Time]

erezike wrote...

he was dead a 100% which is why i wrote the hard part was to make sure his brain and memories was intact.

But his brain and memories were NOT in tact. They had to reconstruct those from scratch. How did they do that? 

The fact that they managed to do this is nothing short of a miracle, yet the galaxy doesn't seem to give a f*ck that a terrorist organisation just managed to pull off a miracle.

they didnt hand wave it.

Yes they did hand wave it.

[David7204]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's a very specific circumstance

You keep saying that as if that makes a difference or puts weight to your (non-sensical) arguments...

It makes all the difference in the world. Lazarus is not a cure for bullet wounds. For disease. For old age. For toxins. For getting your head smashed in with a hammer. It's a 'cure' for the damage to Shepard's body. And not only, that, it's a cure only administered with a huge amount of money, a huge amount of time, a huge amount of expertise, and a significant motivation.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

tonnactus wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

ME2 had the most enjoyable/memorable cast.

Well, this is quite funny. A lot of people didnt like Kaidan and call him whiney despite he solved the issues with his past himself. Yet many find the Mass Effect 2 cast enjoyable...

Because Kaidan sucked. It had nothing to do with him being whiny. Carth was whiny, but he was still a far better companion.

We barely delved into Kaidan's past, period. ME2 has morein common with KotOR, Jade Empire, and DA:O. You actually explore your character's backstories and have quests designed around their backstories. ME2 just did it with much better writing and cinematic effect.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 13 juillet 2013 - 09:58 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

tonnactus wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

ME2 had the most enjoyable/memorable cast.

Well, this is quite funny. A lot of people didnt like Kaidan and call him whiney despite he solved the issues with his past himself. Yet many find the Mass Effect 2 cast enjoyable...

I find the cast of ME2 greatly enjoyable. The best cast in any video game, period in my opinion. Much better than the boring and/or unskilled lame-o's in ME1.

What I don't find as enjoyable is how you're starting to sound like people must be stupid for liking something you don't. Your posts have been moving closer and closer to that threshold.

[David7204]

tickle267 wrote...

David7204 wrote...
( People generally don't become soup stains when they hit the ground at terminal velocity.

if there's no atmosphere, there's no terminal velocity and you'll just keep accelerating.

Thankfully, planets generally have atmospheres.

Modifié par David7204, 13 juillet 2013 - 09:58 .

[Erez Kristal]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Instead of hashing out an endless cycle of quote pyramids, I'm just going to laugh at how utterly ridiculous David's argument about atmospheric re-entry is.

And he calls himself a physicist.

Ok, here's your problem. You're equating the atmosphere to a brick wall. Even if you're denying it, you did it. The atmosphere exists, and its existence causes friction on a high velocity object (on any object). The gravity meanwhile is pulling Shepard, who is already flying at hypersonic speed in space down towards the planet, through the atmosphere. As he is dragged through the atmosphere, he is slowed down due to friction, which causes him to heat up. Depending on the shape, angle, and velocity of the object (i.e. Shepard) when it approaches the atmosphere depends on how hot he burns - not that it really matters: the temperature is going to be well above 2000 degree's farenheit either way. That is most certainly fatal without specially built protective heat shields. Meanwhile, gravity is also pulling at him. And it's speeding him up. This causes more friction as he falls deeper and deeper in to the atmosphere, thus more heat. How he's not a bag of cinders right now is a bloody miracle of science (AKA plot contrivance). And as he's falling his velocity is increasing due to the increasing pull of gravity, and his own incredible velocity when he hit the atmosphere.

To use a good analogy: without plot contrivance, he'd be a flaming paintball smashing into a concrete road. depending on the angle of how he hit, he might even leave a big splash.

Shepard wasnt flying at a hypersonic speed.
Shepard was pulled to the planet due to gravity, his velocity hasten as he passed through the athmosphere but not by the same amount you first assumed. shepard is wearing a hyper tech suit capable of witstanding large impact and great heat.
The planet and athmosphere are very cold which reduces the amount of heat gathered.
we do not know the planet mass, we do not know the gravity strength of the planet.

we do not know extra functions of the suit which may reduce possibile falling speed.

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

David7204 wrote...

See, you say 'from space' as if that makes a difference. At Shepard's speed, terminal velocity is terminal velocity. It really does not matter how far you've fallen from. Yes, there no doubt be significant damage. (And indeed there was.) But nothing that I see as beyond repair in 2183 by Cerberus.

So basically, people shouldn't have a problem 'because science'?

Because it's perfectly reasonable to believe, if told, that an organization like Cerberus could restore function to Shepard's brain and body in 2183.

And yet it was never done before in the Mass Effect universe.

Aside from the technical difficulties of doing such a thing, there are OBVIOUSLY a ton of ETHICAL and MORAL issues to be had with the Lazarus Project. Not to mention that Cerberus is a KNOWN TERRORIST ORGANISATION.


So, why then, does the Mass Effect universe react so casually to the Lazarus Project? Do you think that's "realistic" or "good writing"? I don't think so.

[David7204]

Completely wrong.

First of all, Shepard is not moving at 'hypersonic speed.'

Secondly, in the hypothetical event that Shepard was moving at 'hypersonic speed,' once s/he hit atmosphere and started to heat up, s/he would be slowing down, not speeding up.

Modifié par David7204, 13 juillet 2013 - 10:00 .

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

What I don't find as enjoyable is how you're starting to sound like people must be stupid for liking something you don't. Your posts have been moving closer and closer to that threshold.

(laughs)

You've been around here long enough to know how frequently this happens.

Even people who think they aren't guilty of this actually are.