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[Fixers0]

It's really facisinating to see that they're are still people who actually believe that the Lazarus plotpoint is something substancially more than a incredibly poorly written, nonsencial marketing stunt and time skip.

I could probably get into all the details here, but  I won't bother considering those handfull who still are trapped in their own imagination are not really worth my time at all.

Modifié par Fixers0, 13 juillet 2013 - 10:21 .

[spirosz]

JakeMacDon wrote...

 Here's a trick:  play ME2 without the "epic" music, especially at the end.

Oddly enough, the game isn't quite as exciting without it.

Well, music done right makes anything better.  

[BaladasDemnevanni]

JakeMacDon wrote...

 Here's a trick:  play ME2 without the "epic" music, especially at the end.

Oddly enough, the game isn't quite as exciting without it.

I feel like that would apply to a lot of films/games out there. Mood/tone/atmosphere is a huge part in setting up a scene.

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

- Lazarus "cured" Shepard
- Shepard was dead
- Lazarus is a cure for death

- Bob is sick.
- A single drug cures Bob.
- Therefore, that drug cures all sickness.

The correct analogy would be:

- Bob is sick.
- A single drug cures Bob's sickness.
- Therefor, that drug cures that sickness.


Which is exactly what J. Reezy said. Lazarus is a cure for the death.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 13 juillet 2013 - 10:20 .

[spirosz]

AresKeith wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Thane's probably wasn't his character, it's because of gameplay issues, Jack having the same issue as well. It doesn't help that most players would whine that "x" member is doing a better job at defeating enemies then Shepard him/herself.

Not for me, I would actually like the team to be equal or better 

I would've also liked the ME2 squad to have actual combat armor too, but that's a whole other argument lol 

YOU'RE PART OF THE MINORITY.  

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Gameplay-wise, I preferred it when only certain classes could only use certain weapons. I liked how only Soldiers could use assault rifles. 

I preferred it when the weapons and armor were limited by class. 

[David7204]

That's very utterly ridiculous. There are all sorts of different reasons that body may be damaged and die. And obviously, different sorts of damage would require different methods and resources to repair.

Modifié par David7204, 13 juillet 2013 - 10:20 .

[dreamgazer]

Fixers0 wrote...

It's really facisinating to see that they're are still people who actually believe that the Lazarus plotpoint is something substancially more than a incredibly poorly written, nonsencial marketing stunt and time skip.

... marketing stunt?

[mumba]

David7204 wrote...

That's very utterly ridiculous. There are all sorts of different reasons that body may be damaged and die. 

Name 69

[David7204]

J. Reezy wrote...

Are we really going to compare something as broad as being sick to the universally known circumstance of being dead?

Unless you're incredibly foolish, yes, we are. A perfectly healthy 25 year old man that drowned is a very different circumstance than a body thrown in a wood chipper and turned to paste. They're both dead.

Modifié par David7204, 13 juillet 2013 - 10:22 .

[string3r]

I think you'll find that most people who hate ME3 hate ME2 as well.

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Thane's probably wasn't his character, it's because of gameplay issues, Jack having the same issue as well. It doesn't help that most players would whine that "x" member is doing a better job at defeating enemies then Shepard him/herself.

Not for me, I would actually like the team to be equal or better 

I would've also liked the ME2 squad to have actual combat armor too, but that's a whole other argument lol 

YOU'RE PART OF THE MINORITY.  

The reasonable minority 

[mass perfection]

David7204 wrote...

That's very utterly ridiculous. There are all sorts of different reasons that body may be damaged and die. And obviously, different sorts of damage would require different methods and resources to repair.

Because you can repair a brain,right?

[dreamgazer]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I actually really liked Thane's loyalty mission.

Agreed.

[Seboist]

dreamgazer wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

It's really facisinating to see that they're are still people who actually believe that the Lazarus plotpoint is something substancially more than a incredibly poorly written, nonsencial marketing stunt and time skip.

... marketing stunt?

An example of such

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

That's very utterly ridiculous. There are all sorts of different reasons that body may be damaged and die. And obviously, different sorts of damage would require different methods and resources to repair.

We already established and agreed that the act of repairing a body is nothing significant in Mass Effect (with cloning and all).

What makes Lazarus significant is the mental part of it. The fact that they managed to restore a person's personality and memories from scratch after that person being dead as dead can be. THAT is what makes Lazarus a miracle, even in the Mass Effect universe.

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Are we really going to compare something as broad as being sick to the universally known circumstance of being dead?

Unless you're incredibly foolish, yes, we are. A perfectly healthy 25 year old man that drowned is a very different circumstance than a body thrown in a wood chipper and turned to paste.

I tripped over a worm and died.  I fell from space and died.  

[BaladasDemnevanni]

dreamgazer wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I actually really liked Thane's loyalty mission.

Agreed.

Ditto.

[spirosz]

string3r wrote...

I think you'll find that most people who hate ME3 hate ME2 as well.

No. 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's very utterly ridiculous. There are all sorts of different reasons that body may be damaged and die. And obviously, different sorts of damage would require different methods and resources to repair.

We already established and agreed that the act of repairing a body is nothing significant in Mass Effect (with cloning and all).

What makes Lazarus significant is the mental part of it. The fact that they managed to restore a person's personality and memories from scratch after that person being dead as dead can be. THAT is what makes Lazarus a miracle, even in the Mass Effect universe.

And that is a point that TIM does emphasize, the difficulty of nailing this aspect down.

[David7204]

mass perfection wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's very utterly ridiculous. There are all sorts of different reasons that body may be damaged and die. And obviously, different sorts of damage would require different methods and resources to repair.

Because you can repair a brain,right?

i certianly see as within the realm of possibility 170 years from now.

[tonnactus]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...



Played it. And nothing came of it.

And that was different compared with Subject Zero how exactly? And what shoud have come out of it?
Squad banter was also there outside of Elevators(Ferros/Geth religion) and even some side missions.(if Shepard kills some space monkeys for one example)

[BaladasDemnevanni]

spirosz wrote...

string3r wrote...

I think you'll find that most people who hate ME3 hate ME2 as well.

No. 

Loved ME2. Moderately enjoyed ME3, ending and autodialogue aside. Very meh on ME1, outside the main plot.