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[conjmk]

Morocco Mole wrote...



The S/S romance on the PC is mostly gender neutral and Shepard still turns into a woman during the big scene. It's about as canon as that video I just linked.

And the point of you posting this isss?...........

[shingara]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I'm pointing out that just because it is in the game, doesn't necessarily mean it is canon. Unless you believe Shepard thinks he is a woman.

 This is gold dust, So let me get this right, your stating that just because its part of the game and story that its not cannon. And this gets better your saying kaidon is bisexual because bioware are to cheap todo the voice overs and convs correctly. LOL.

Modifié par shingara, 23 juillet 2013 - 12:15 .

[Tron Mega]

its only canon until the next episode.

[conjmk]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I'm pointing out that just because it is in the game, doesn't necessarily mean it is canon. Unless you believe Shepard thinks he is a woman.

Do I need to quote myself? You CANNOT cannon established characteristics of NPC's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter what playthough, the NPC's are the SAME. Given that in a playthrough where Kaidan would romance a Broshep or a Femshep shows that he IS bisexual. Thats IS his character. There is no cannoning. Hence why you cant meddle with sexualities of other characters because they already have established sexualities. Kaidan is Bisexual no matter what playthrough, no matter what game they choose to confirm it in.

You can only cannon characteristics about your shep/events that can be choosen during the game (Kaidan can be dead but he's still bisexual).

Modifié par conjmk, 23 juillet 2013 - 12:23 .

[conjmk]

Morocco Mole wrote...

This is gold dust, So let me get this right, your stating that just because its part of the game and story that its not cannon. And this gets better your saying kaidon is bisexual because bioware are to cheap todo the voice overs and convs correctly. LOL.

And yes. Bioware is too cheap to do too many VO's. Because they have record thousands and thousands of lines and its just cheaper to either A.) Record everything and cut it out later (like Mshep having femshep's dialog in Mass Effect 1 and 2) or just leave it alone for both genders like Kaidan in Mass Effect 1.

LMFAO @ your logic, even when there is proof of his sexuality you choose to set it aside as "Bioware being lazy".

LOL, well guess what, they were also "being lazy" while not finishing his S/S romance option in ME1. So I guess i can still say he shows bisexual qualities in the first game as well.

[conjmk]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Did you even watch the video? Male Shepard is literally saying femshep's dialog word for word.

I don't see how this is relevant to Kaidan's character at all. Regardless of what happens in ME1 he is confirmed as a bisexual character in the 3rd game, which unless bioware thinks that people can miraculously change their sexualities, makes him bisexual throughout the entire franchise.

[Clayless]

Just to mention, MaleShep and Kaidan will acknowledge their prior relationship in ME3 if you modded one into ME1.

No bugs. No gender swapping. Not the game thinking it's FemShep or Ashley.

While I don't care for this argument at all, in the efforts of fairness, it could be argued that's canonising seeing as though it requires no modding of ME3 to get.

Modifié par Robosexual, 23 juillet 2013 - 03:51 .

[spirosz]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Except Kaidan being into Rahna is already canon. Kaidan being bi/gay is the retcon here.

Basically. 

[spirosz]

Rauhel wrote...

I do know the difference. My Kaidan is gay.

By the way, Kaidan isn't yours.

[SlottsMachine]

Tron Mega wrote...

its only canon until the next episode.

True dat. 

[Roivas_Alenko]

Morocco Mole wrote...



The S/S romance on the PC is mostly gender neutral and Shepard still turns into a woman during the big scene. It's about as canon as that video I just linked.

Mostly but not exclusively, at some point Shepard actually says Kaidan's name in the romance dialogue: "Kaidan I don't think I had the pleasure of you serving under me", "buck here tonight Kaidan, with me" & it's voiced.

http://youtu.be/jzCg9SEwaq8?t=15m44s

Mshep/Kaidan romance exist in ME1 but was removed because of the fox news thing, it's not finished but here.

[spirosz]

roivasff14 wrote...

Mshep/Kaidan romance exist in ME1 but was removed because of the fox news thing, it's not finished but here.

What?  Fox news happened after the release of ME1, no?  So it couldn't of been removed because of that, since it was not in vanilla ME1.  

Modifié par spirosz, 23 juillet 2013 - 12:37 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

How exactly is it a retcon, anyway? When did Kaidan ever state that he was not attracted to men? Just because male Shepard couldn't romance him yet doesn't mean he wasn't interested. Following that logic, they retconned Tali and Garrus, too. They were asexual in ME1, since neither of them were romance options by either gender.

Second, if you listen to http://www.gdcvault....6/Sex-in-Video' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>this speech, David Gaider talks about BioWare's approach to LGBT characters. He discusses the fan reaction to everyone in Dragon Age II being bi by saying their sexualities are undefined and are different in each player's games. I simply applied that philosphy to my Mass Effect experience. In my universe, my Kaidan is gay.

That's not really applicable seeing as how david gaider doesn't work on the mass effect series.

No offense, but David Gaider is also someone who threw a huge hissy fit when fans pointed out a very blatant retcon regarding Leliana in DA2, should you have made a specific choice in DAO. He's not all that reliable when it comes to retcons.

roivasff14 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...



The S/S romance on the PC is mostly gender neutral and Shepard still turns into a woman during the big scene. It's about as canon as that video I just linked.

Mostly but not exclusively, at some point Shepard actually says Kaidan's name in the romance dialogue: "Kaidan I don't think I had the pleasure of you serving under me", "buck here tonight Kaidan, with me" & it's voiced.

http://youtu.be/jzCg9SEwaq8?t=15m44s

Mshep/Kaidan romance exist in ME1 but was removed because of the fox news thing, it's not finished but here.

Incorrect. The "Sexbot" nonsense came shortly after ME1's release. BioWare opted to drop the same-sex romance options for reasons unknown.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 23 juillet 2013 - 12:46 .

[Dieb]

Don't mean to preach to you, of all people.

Just a thought:

Judging by him being around his teenage/young adult years by the time the events during the BaAT transpired, I don't see the problem with him crushing on a girl. There are heterosexually married men who discover their homosexuality in their fourties. I have a friend who used to be the model popular kid when we went to school; he would at times go out with two different girls in a single week. He's happily engaged with another male friend of mine nowadays.

In short, I'm not going to give you crap about how you don't get to imagine your own dream universe - it's what we all do in a way. I just don't see how the mere fact that he used to crush on a female once, could even conflict with the fact that Kaidan is in a happy relationship with your Shepard to begin with.

As a recent Kaidan-VS-convert, experiencing him as my Shepard's best pal, I'm rather really looking forward to this. I'm going to have to wait another year for the second Library Edition though, to satisfy my compulsory disorder.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 23 juillet 2013 - 01:15 .

[Iakus]

spirosz wrote...

roivasff14 wrote...

Mshep/Kaidan romance exist in ME1 but was removed because of the fox news thing, it's not finished but here.

What?  Fox news happened after the release of ME1, no?  So it couldn't of been removed because of that, since it was not in vanilla ME1.  

It's easy to blame things on media outrage, dontchaknow?

[CronoDragoon]

Rauhel wrote...
He didn't in my game. Not once. This type of dituation is also in David Gaider's speech. Don't flirt with a male character, and they won't give you any reason to assume they are attracted to men. Don't talk about girls with Kaidan, and he won't mention liking them.

My Shepard was gay, he didn't care to ask Kaidan for his opinion on ladies.

Anders hits on you whether you flirt with him or not, so David Gaider's comments don't even apply to his most recent game.

Regardless, if you want to have "your own" Kaidan that is gay, then that is fine. But what I don't understand is why you're fine with ignoring dialogue lines in the actual game to maintain this headcanon but not okay with ignoring lines in the comic.

[B.Shep]

It's really laughable these people who think their headcanon takes precedence over official canon...lol
Kaidan had a crush on Rahna.Deal with it.

Modifié par B.Shep, 23 juillet 2013 - 04:27 .

[Roivas_Alenko]

Morocco Mole wrote...

roivasff14 wrote...
Mostly but not exclusively, at some point Shepard actually says Kaidan's name in the romance dialogue: "Kaidan I don't think I had the pleasure of you serving under me", "buck here tonight Kaidan, with me" & it's voiced.

http://youtu.be/jzCg9SEwaq8?t=15m44s

Mshep/Kaidan romance exist in ME1 but was removed because of the fox news thing, it's not finished but here.

...That doesn't disprove my point. That's the femshep romance just with Mshep's VA saying her lines and Kaidan responding as normal. Again, Bioware had the Shepard VA's record every line in the script and then had it cut out later when it didn't fit. They also have characters (at least in the original) use as many gender neutral pronouns as possible so they don't have to record two variations of almost every line.

Fox News had nothing to do with it (probably because that controversy happened after the game was released.)

Most of Mshep/fshep dialogue are the same, so not a big shock. Are Liara romance dialogue different between the 2 shep?
Anyway, if don't disprove your point, you did not disprove mine either ^^

For fox news, well you're the 2nd on the thread to tell me it happened after, so i might be wrong, i'm not an US citizen so never actually saw the thing happen, just read that on some forums (not only one so always assumed it was true), sorry if i'm incorrect.

[Roivas_Alenko]

That's from Kaidan's romance with Mshep, that is the jalousy scene. ^^;
Anyway that's not why I first come here & I requote myself to my main concern about the comic & focus on what this thread was really about:

If for Mshep in ME1, Rahna is some random girl, Kaidan clearly said to Fshep he NEVER dated Rhana. She was "special" to him yes (special mean anything & nothing) but that "Maybe she felt the same, but…Things never fell together. Training. You know"

So I really hope they'll stick to that in the comic & not make Kaidan a liar by actually show us a romance that never existed.

Modifié par roivasff14, 24 juillet 2013 - 08:17 .

[NRieh]

This comic should actually bother FemSheps much more than gaySheps.

Because, you know female Shepard REMINDED him of her.
If they canon Rahna - they canon femShepard.

Saying 'like you' line to some tough dark-haired black renegade femShep while Rahna was a gentle barbie-girl?..
I bet they never thought of this 'minor issue'. Best that can possibly happen - some features in common with 'default' face. But I doubt they cared even that far.

As for 'my Kaidan is gay' - there is NO such thing as 'your Kaidan', other than in your headcanon universe. There he can be anything you wish, including being a trans-gender.

Kaidan Alenko is a NON-PLAYER CHARACTER, a constant, and according to the ME1 canon - he had interest in females. (Just please, don't get me started about 'ME1 had gay romance' - it HAD NOT. Those modded cut-outs, where male shep is sometimes referenced as female and with some lines missing can not serve as any sort of 'evidence'. ) In ME3 he shows interest in men. That's what 'bisexual' is. I'm a straight female player that plays female characters, I love Kaidan Alenko, I'm perfectly fine with that.

Rahna as a some sort of 'LI' will be a retcon for any gender - Kaidan says directly that he did not have anything with her, while she was indeed 'special' to him.

Oh, and they are going to show us more of cooking Kaidan. Because that's the only possible tie-in with Citadel. Someone up there seems to enjoy the idea, that kids(!) on a top-secret(!) military(!) facility are allowed to pick their menu up to their liking and cook for themselves. As if that BS made ANY sense at all.