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[Iakus]

After that Joker story a while back, does anyone seriously think character consistency or history is a priority?

[Sebby]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

How exactly is it a retcon, anyway? When did Kaidan ever state that he was not attracted to men? Just because male Shepard couldn't romance him yet doesn't mean he wasn't interested. Following that logic, they retconned Tali and Garrus, too. They were asexual in ME1, since neither of them were romance options by either gender.

Second, if you listen to http://www.gdcvault....6/Sex-in-Video' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>this speech, David Gaider talks about BioWare's approach to LGBT characters. He discusses the fan reaction to everyone in Dragon Age II being bi by saying their sexualities are undefined and are different in each player's games. I simply applied that philosphy to my Mass Effect experience. In my universe, my Kaidan is gay.

It's not a retcon. Kaidan was meant to be bisexual in Mass Effect 1, as stated by devs. But for some reason it didn't get in.

Besides, Kaidan didn't even outright flirt with FemShep. So his total lack of flirtation with BroShep was probably because Kaidan is respectful and believed BroShepard to be straight.

And when he finally does confess his feeling in ME3, he probably figures that they're chances of dying are pretty damn high and so why keep quiet.

Nah, it was just a plain old retcon to cater to the yaoi crowd.

[Mr.House]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Except Kaidan being into Rahna is already canon. Kaidan being bi/gay is the retcon here.

How does him being into Rahna mean he is not bi?

[Arcian]

Wow. Just... Wow.

OP, I am utterly disgusted with your bigotry against bisexuals. Choosing to love both men and women should never, EVER be called "hiding in the closet". Your sexuality isn't superior to any other.

You want Kaidan to be gay? Sucks to be you, he's canonically bisexual and there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it.

Nothing pisses me off more than minority groups screaming bigotry and ending up being even bigger bigots themselves once people learn to respect them. You should be ashamed.

[Mr.House]

Arcian wrote...

Wow. Just... Wow.

OP, I am utterly disgusted with your bigotry against bisexuals. Choosing to love both men and women should never, EVER be called "hiding in the closet". Your sexuality isn't superior to any other.

You want Kaidan to be gay? Sucks to be you, he's canonically bisexual and there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it.

Nothing pisses me off more than minority groups screaming bigotry and ending up being even bigger bigots themselves once people learn to respect them. You should be ashamed.

+100

[Erez Kristal]

Im sorry to bring it to you buddy, but Kaiden will tap anything not bolted to the floor just like sheppy would.

What did you think he was up to when he was playing james bond while you were all meat and tubes. *hint, hint*

Next thing i am going to hear is that liara and feron were 'just friends'...

Modifié par erezike, 15 juillet 2013 - 06:10 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Mr.House wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Wow. Just... Wow.

OP, I am utterly disgusted with your bigotry against bisexuals. Choosing to love both men and women should never, EVER be called "hiding in the closet". Your sexuality isn't superior to any other.

You want Kaidan to be gay? Sucks to be you, he's canonically bisexual and there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it.

Nothing pisses me off more than minority groups screaming bigotry and ending up being even bigger bigots themselves once people learn to respect them. You should be ashamed.

+100

Co-sign. This is embarassing.

[Steelcan]

Rauhel wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Maybe it's a good story, and just leave sexuality at the door, hm?

I hope Mac Walters did exactly that. Tell a good story and leave Kaidan's sexuality ambiguous so as not to disrupt anybody's canon.

Walters clearly cannot tella good story so expect canon shattering revelations about Kaidan's explicit asexuality.

[L2 Sentinel]

Arcian wrote...

Wow. Just... Wow.

OP, I am utterly disgusted with your bigotry against bisexuals. Choosing to love both men and women should never, EVER be called "hiding in the closet". Your sexuality isn't superior to any other.

You want Kaidan to be gay? Sucks to be you, he's canonically bisexual and there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it.

Nothing pisses me off more than minority groups screaming bigotry and ending up being even bigger bigots themselves once people learn to respect them. You should be ashamed.

Preferring a love story between two gay men because I happen to be gay and identify with it more does not make me a bigot. I have nothing against bisexuals. But thanks for taking what I said out of context.

It's a BioWare game. David Gaider was speaking as a representive of the company, not just Dragon Age. As a player, I get to define the sexuality of my Shepard and his love interest. That's BioWare's stance. So I did. I chose gay. That means in my universe, Kaidan is exclusively attracted to men. He didn't have a phase where he felt the need to experiment with women or hide in the closet. That is what I meant to say when I said that. I never intended to imply that bisexuals are really gay men in the closet.

[Nole]

Don't buy the comic.

[Steelcan]

Rauhel wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Wow. Just... Wow.

OP, I am utterly disgusted with your bigotry against bisexuals. Choosing to love both men and women should never, EVER be called "hiding in the closet". Your sexuality isn't superior to any other.

You want Kaidan to be gay? Sucks to be you, he's canonically bisexual and there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it.

Nothing pisses me off more than minority groups screaming bigotry and ending up being even bigger bigots themselves once people learn to respect them. You should be ashamed.

Preferring a love story between two gay men because I happen to be gay and identify with it more does not make me a bigot. I have nothing against bisexuals. But thanks for taking what I said out of context.

It's a BioWare game. David Gaider was speaking as a representive of the company, not just Dragon Age. As a player, I get to define the sexuality of my Shepard and his love interest. That's BioWare's stance. So I did. I chose gay. That means in my universe, Kaidan is exclusively attracted to men. He didn't have a phase where he felt the need to experiment with women or hide in the closet. That is what I meant to say when I said that. I never intended to imply that bisexuals are really gay men in the closet.

You don't get to change character's backstory in your head canon and then complain when BioWare does not acknowledge it.

[Mr.House]

You don't define a NPCs sexuality at all. They are that, an NPC. Next thing I know you're going to tell me is Kaidan only likes men now.

Modifié par Mr.House, 15 juillet 2013 - 06:21 .

[Sebby]

Rauhel wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Wow. Just... Wow.

OP, I am utterly disgusted with your bigotry against bisexuals. Choosing to love both men and women should never, EVER be called "hiding in the closet". Your sexuality isn't superior to any other.

You want Kaidan to be gay? Sucks to be you, he's canonically bisexual and there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it.

Nothing pisses me off more than minority groups screaming bigotry and ending up being even bigger bigots themselves once people learn to respect them. You should be ashamed.

Preferring a love story between two gay men because I happen to be gay and identify with it more does not make me a bigot. I have nothing against bisexuals. But thanks for taking what I said out of context.

It's a BioWare game. David Gaider was speaking as a representive of the company, not just Dragon Age. As a player, I get to define the sexuality of my Shepard and his love interest. That's BioWare's stance. So I did. I chose gay. That means in my universe, Kaidan is exclusively attracted to men. He didn't have a phase where he felt the need to experiment with women or hide in the closet. That is what I meant to say when I said that. I never intended to imply that bisexuals are really gay men in the closet.

"Your" Shepard never states that he isn't attracted to women bud.

Tough break .

[Steelcan]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Oh shut up! The drama over the ME3 ending is so tired and stupid.

Mac Walters wrote Garrus in Mass Effect 1. (I heard that from Chris L'Etoile/Stormwaltz himself)

Mac Walters wrote James Vega in Mass Effect 3

Mac Walters wrote Mass Effect Redemption, Evolution, Invasion, Homeworlds, and all the miscellaneous comics, including Blasto, He Who Laughs Best, Incurion, Inqusition, and Conviction.

All of which, I might add, are good material.

He is not a bad writer just because one motherf***ing thing you didn't like!

Writing ME1 garrus and James Vega is supposed to impress?  That said, Walters does characters pretty well, its his story writing that leaves everything to be desired. 

[Mr.House]

Also Kaidan outright says he had feelings for Rahna in ME, so stop using headcanon as an argument.

[WhiteKnyght]

Rauhel wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Wow. Just... Wow.

OP, I am utterly disgusted with your bigotry against bisexuals. Choosing to love both men and women should never, EVER be called "hiding in the closet". Your sexuality isn't superior to any other.

You want Kaidan to be gay? Sucks to be you, he's canonically bisexual and there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it.

Nothing pisses me off more than minority groups screaming bigotry and ending up being even bigger bigots themselves once people learn to respect them. You should be ashamed.

Preferring a love story between two gay men because I happen to be gay and identify with it more does not make me a bigot. I have nothing against bisexuals. But thanks for taking what I said out of context.

It's a BioWare game. David Gaider was speaking as a representive of the company, not just Dragon Age. As a player, I get to define the sexuality of my Shepard and his love interest. That's BioWare's stance. So I did. I chose gay. That means in my universe, Kaidan is exclusively attracted to men. He didn't have a phase where he felt the need to experiment with women or hide in the closet. That is what I meant to say when I said that. I never intended to imply that bisexuals are really gay men in the closet.

 
Kaidan's told the story of Jump Zero before. He's bisexual yes, but the person at Brain Camp that he was in love with was Rahna, a woman.

The bigoted outrage over Kaidan is irrelevant. He told Shepard point blank that he wasn't the type of person who slept around and the only person he had eyes for there was Rahna.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 15 juillet 2013 - 06:25 .

[Sebby]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Mac Walters wrote Mass Effect Redemption, Evolution, Invasion, Homeworlds, and all the miscellaneous comics, including Blasto, He Who Laughs Best, Incurion, Inqusition, and Conviction.

All of these are terrible.

I like how the only pont of the Evolution comic was to introduce the basis for the EDI sex robot.

[MegaSovereign]

Why does it matter if he is bi?

[Clayless]

I don't get the Vega hate. In my opinion he's more interesting than 'agree with everything you say' Garrus.

Edit:

I got super ninja'd. I need to refresh more.

Modifié par Robosexual, 15 juillet 2013 - 06:34 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Seboist wrote...
I like how the only pont of the Evolution comic was to introduce the basis for the EDI sex robot.

Bioware should be applauded for taking time to represent those who want to bang robots. That's what sci-fi is about, right?

[WhiteKnyght]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Mac Walters wrote Mass Effect Redemption, Evolution, Invasion, Homeworlds, and all the miscellaneous comics, including Blasto, He Who Laughs Best, Incurion, Inqusition, and Conviction.

All of these are terrible.

Says you. Not me, and not everybody.

You don't speak for me, you don't speak for others.

And enough people bought Mass Effect Redemption(which set up Lair of the Shadow Broker, the most popular of DLCs) and each following comic series that they let Mac keep writing them.

So if the sales fit, you have no case.