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[Sebby]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

the alliance between Aria and Cerberus during the beginning of Invasion came from the events of Retribution. And Aria was conspiring revenge in Deception because she found out Cerberus killed her daughter, which is arguably why they betrayed her in the comic. They knew she was gonna screw them, so they screwed her over first.

I loved how Cerberus goes from being almost completely destroyed by the Turians in retribution to having a galactic sith empire in ME3.

"Continuity" is Walters' middle name i can see.

[devSin]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Except in all universes Kaidan shows either attraction to asari or Rahna.

Don't forget salacious sexbot.

One of the few legitimate instances where I have to question what exactly Cathleen was going for.

That said, I don't take issue with interpretation. In the absence of explicit declaration, you can imagine context other than sexual attraction for these remarks (I don't necessarily think it's a reasonable interpretation, but it doesn't bother me).

ShepnTali wrote...

Maybe it's a good story

You didn't see the author?

I do like Kaidan, but I like writing quality too.

No sale.

Modifié par devSin, 15 juillet 2013 - 07:11 .

[Teddie Sage]

Okay people. I read the whole tread and personally, I think this went overboard. Let's all agree to disagree and move on to other things. People are getting way too personal about a universe that isn't real. "My Kaidan is bisexual, My Kaidan is straight, etc." Nobody cares but you. There's no need to yell at other users because they don't agree with you. This whole conversation went sour the moment people couldn't stop bickering about their own canons. Like I said, let's all agree to disagree and move on. It's really unproductive to come on boards and read all those rants about other people's canons all the time. Seriously, I don't know why I even try.

[Han Shot First]

Mr.House wrote...

Also Kaidan outright says he had feelings for Rahna in ME, so stop using headcanon as an argument.

He also potentially voices an attraction for Liara, depending on which dialogue choice Shepard roles with. So it is absolute undisputed canon that Kaidan was attracted to at least two women.

And if he is brought with Shepard into Chora's Den in Mass Effect 1, Kaidan will will say, "I see why this place is so popular. It has quite the...uh, view." If Ashley is the other squadmate, she'll reply with, "Hey LT? Put your tongue back in your mouth before you trip on it."

Claiming that Kaidan is gay is 100% head canon, as it actually conflicts with the character's backstory in the games.

[Steelcan]

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Bcause it defies canon.  I can't say that Miranda is actually a lesbian just because she never says she isn't.  Miranda is canonically straight.  kaidan is canonically bisexual.  No amount of head canon will change this.

[MegaSovereign]

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Ignorance is not a form of interpretation. Kaidan is canonically bisexual. Even in a femshep playthrough, his sexuality does not change.

You keep ignoring people who are straight up telling you that ME1 already confirms his previous relationship with Rahna.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 15 juillet 2013 - 06:51 .

[Dextro Milk]

Steelcan wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Bcause it defies canon.  I can't say that Miranda is actually a lesbian just because she never says she isn't.  Miranda is canonically straight.  kaidan is canonically bisexual.  No amount of head canon will change this.

This.

[Sebby]

Steelcan wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Bcause it defies canon.  I can't say that Miranda is actually a lesbian just because she never says she isn't.  Miranda is canonically straight.  kaidan is canonically bisexual.  No amount of head canon will change this.

On the BSN everyone is presumed bi until proven straight/gay in a court of wish fulfillment.

[Clayless]

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, it's awesome how Traynor proves to be more useful at intel gathering than the shadow broker.

My theory, which is based on the leak where Liara and/or EDI do almost everything Traynor does, is that Bioware wanted to make the lesbian character not seem like she's just there to be the lesbian romance, so they made her do useful things.

There's no problem with that, the problem is they didn't give Liara enough to do in return, and she misses things which she really should have noticed as the Shadow Broker.

[Han Shot First]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Ignorance is not a form of interpretation. Kaidan is canonically bisexual. Even in a femshep playthrough, his sexuality does not change.

You keep ignoring people who are straight up telling you that ME1 already confirms his previous relationship with Rahna.

Rahna isn't the only example from ME1 either..

He also can potentially voice physical attraction for Liara, as well as some dialogue indicating he's into the dancers at Chora's Den.

[Mr.House]

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Because Kaidan shows no intrest in males if you play a femshep. No matter what gender you play, Kaidan still shows intrest in females. You are outright ignoring in-game stuff to make him gay, thus headcanon. Bioware does not have to respect your headcanon at all, more so when it goes against what they wrote.

[Sebby]

Robosexual wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, it's awesome how Traynor proves to be more useful at intel gathering than the shadow broker.

My theory, which is based on the leak where Liara and/or EDI do almost everything Traynor does, is that Bioware wanted to make the lesbian character not seem like she's just there to be the lesbian romance, so they made her do useful things.

There's no problem with that, the problem is they didn't give Liara enough to do in return, and she misses things which she really should have noticed as the Shadow Broker.

That seems to be the obvious intent, yeah. They could have just made Traynor the middlewoman between Shep and Alliance command and left the intel gathering to Liara.

[Steelcan]

Seboist wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Bcause it defies canon.  I can't say that Miranda is actually a lesbian just because she never says she isn't.  Miranda is canonically straight.  kaidan is canonically bisexual.  No amount of head canon will change this.

On the BSN everyone is presumed bi until proven straight/gay in a court of wish fulfillment.

My main reason for disliking DA:2 <_<

[Steelcan]

Seboist wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, it's awesome how Traynor proves to be more useful at intel gathering than the shadow broker.

My theory, which is based on the leak where Liara and/or EDI do almost everything Traynor does, is that Bioware wanted to make the lesbian character not seem like she's just there to be the lesbian romance, so they made her do useful things.

There's no problem with that, the problem is they didn't give Liara enough to do in return, and she misses things which she really should have noticed as the Shadow Broker.

That seems to be the obvious intent, yeah. They could have just made Traynor the middlewoman between Shep and Alliance command and left the intel gathering to Liara.

Or Liara could die in ME2 in the assault on the SB base...........

[Sebby]

Steelcan wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, it's awesome how Traynor proves to be more useful at intel gathering than the shadow broker.

My theory, which is based on the leak where Liara and/or EDI do almost everything Traynor does, is that Bioware wanted to make the lesbian character not seem like she's just there to be the lesbian romance, so they made her do useful things.

There's no problem with that, the problem is they didn't give Liara enough to do in return, and she misses things which she really should have noticed as the Shadow Broker.

That seems to be the obvious intent, yeah. They could have just made Traynor the middlewoman between Shep and Alliance command and left the intel gathering to Liara.

Or Liara could die in ME2 in the assault on the SB base...........

Even better.

[L2 Sentinel]

MegaSovereign wrote...

You keep ignoring people who are straight up telling you that ME1 already confirms his previous relationship with Rahna.

Because there is no point in arguing with people about it. They think all characters are completely the same in all playthroughs, and I disagree. What more is there to say? I like what David Gaider had to say, and I choose to apply his approach to BioWare romances to my playthrough. I get to define my Shepard's relationship with his love interest. I avoided all mention of Rahna completely by accident. I didn't even know who she was until I started posting on the forums.

But whatever. I don't expect you people to understand what it's like to grow up having absolutely zero examples of love and romance that applies to you, or what it means to me to finally have a fictional gay couple I can look up to as role models. Children are bombarded with love stories. Every princess has a prince, every action hero has a girl he gets to rescue. I never had that. I couldn't understand what it was like for a man to love a man because it was so foreign to me. Shepard and Kaidan mean the world to me. I just happen to get more satisfaction from it being a gay relationship, and not just a same-sex relationship. All I'm saying is I'm sad that Mac Walters didn't take that into account, since my understanding was BioWare lets me choose the sexuality of my love interest.

[Arcian]

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Why can't your gay Shepard bang Kaidan despite him being bisexual? Why is it so important that he's gay?

If you were truly unbigoted you wouldn't care. But your discrimination against bisexuals as "closeted gays" shines through. If the LGBT community heard the BS you're spouting you would be shunned instantly.

[PMC65]

Mass Effect: Foundation #4 - I Should Be More Excited ...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Okay people. I read the whole tread and personally, I think this went overboard. Let's all agree to disagree and move on to other things. People are getting way too personal about a universe that isn't real. "My Kaidan is bisexual, My Kaidan is straight, etc." Nobody cares but you. There's no need to yell at other users because they don't agree with you. This whole conversation went sour the moment people couldn't stop bickering about their own canons. Like I said, let's all agree to disagree and move on. It's really unproductive to come on boards and read all those rants about other people's canons all the time. Seriously, I don't know why I even try.

Because somehow how you see the characters and role play your game impacts mine?

Personally, I don't care if someone adds/changes/deletes in their MEUniverse ... I even enjoy hearing how others see the characters, even if I don't agree. Hate Liara because she is a stalker? OK. Leave Ashley on Virmire because she is a racist? OK. I may not see these characters as they do but it was their $$$ and their choice.

As to the OP ... Rauhel, Bioware will use the canon that they have set in ME and the odds are likely that they will show Kaidan's crush on Rahna. If that will bother you than I suggest that you not buy the comic, to be honest. Or you could update your history on Kaidan and say that he was young, lonely and that she was his exception to the rule.

Think of her as his Cher or Madonna or Lady GaGa? Work with me on this.

[L2 Sentinel]

Arcian wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Why can't your gay Shepard bang Kaidan despite him being bisexual? Why is it so important that he's gay?

If you were truly unbigoted you wouldn't care. But your discrimination against bisexuals as "closeted gays" shines through. If the LGBT community heard the BS you're spouting you would be shunned instantly.

Or you could actually read what I said instead of picking and choosing tidbits to try and villify me.

[MegaSovereign]

He's canonically bi....Do you not understand what canonically means? You don't have control over all the characters' attributes. There are things that are canon in the ME universe regardless of what Shepard does.

[Arcian]

Rauhel wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why does it matter if he is bi?

It doesn't. I don't care if he's bi in your story. But I know plenty of female Kaidan fans that interpret him as straight in their universe, so why do so many people take issue with me wanting him to be gay in mine?

Why can't your gay Shepard bang Kaidan despite him being bisexual? Why is it so important that he's gay?

If you were truly unbigoted you wouldn't care. But your discrimination against bisexuals as "closeted gays" shines through. If the LGBT community heard the BS you're spouting you would be shunned instantly.

Or you could actually read what I said instead of picking and choosing tidbits to try and villify me.

I HAVE read what you've said. It's discriminatory bollocks. Kaidan is bisexual IN EVERYONE'S PLAYTHROUGH. Refusing to acknowledge that fact is like saying Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose.