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[Han Shot First]

OP, you saying that Kaidan was never into women would be like a Miranda fan saying the character never had a casual fling with Jacob. There are certain details of every characters background that are absolute canon for every playthrough, and that Kaidan has at least some interest in women is one of them.

At any rate, Im not sure why that matters. Does Kaidan's previous attraction for Rahna, or Liara, or some random dancers in Chora's Den, affect anything at all in a relationship with Shepard? Why does it matter that Rahna, Liara, or those dancers weren't male?

[Steelcan]

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

You keep ignoring people who are straight up telling you that ME1 already confirms his previous relationship with Rahna.

Because there is no point in arguing with people about it. They think all characters are completely the same in all playthroughs, and I disagree. What more is there to say? I like what David Gaider had to say, and I choose to apply his approach to BioWare romances to my playthrough. I get to define my Shepard's relationship with his love interest. I avoided all mention of Rahna completely by accident. I didn't even know who she was until I started posting on the forums.

But whatever. I don't expect you people to understand what it's like to grow up having absolutely zero examples of love and romance that applies to you, or what it means to me to finally have a fictional gay couple I can look up to as role models. Children are bombarded with love stories. Every princess has a prince, every action hero has a girl he gets to rescue. I never had that. I couldn't understand what it was like for a man to love a man because it was so foreign to me. Shepard and Kaidan mean the world to me. I just happen to get more satisfaction from it being a gay relationship, and not just a same-sex relationship. All I'm saying is I'm sad that Mac Walters didn't take that into account, since my understanding was BioWare lets me choose the sexuality of my love interest.

NO they don't.  They let certain characters have certain sexualities across all playthroughs.  Kaidan is just as Bi in your game as mine. 

Try Cortez

[His Name was HYR!!]

Rauhel wrote...


Shepard and Kaidan mean the world to me. I just happen to get more satisfaction from it being a gay relationship, and not just a same-sex relationship.

And all we're saying is: it shouldn't matter. You either like Kaidan for the man he is, as he is written (and not merely for the dialogue you heard him say in your save-game) or you don't. If you do, him being bi is not a problem. If you don't, you do not truly like his character, but your headcanon version of it. And to that end...

All I'm saying is I'm sad that Mac Walters didn't take that into account, since my understanding was BioWare lets me choose the sexuality of my love interest.

... there is no accounting for headcanon.

[AresKeith]

Arcian wrote...

I HAVE read what you've said. It's discriminatory bollocks. Kaidan is bisexual IN EVERYONE'S PLAYTHROUGH. Refusing to acknowledge that fact is like saying Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose.

Because he was in that movie is the reason why I can't him serious in X-men First Class

[Demonique]

Rauhel wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

You keep ignoring people who are straight up telling you that ME1 already confirms his previous relationship with Rahna.

Because there is no point in arguing with people about it. They think all characters are completely the same in all playthroughs, and I disagree. What more is there to say? I like what David Gaider had to say, and I choose to apply his approach to BioWare romances to my playthrough. I get to define my Shepard's relationship with his love interest. I avoided all mention of Rahna completely by accident. I didn't even know who she was until I started posting on the forums.

But whatever. I don't expect you people to understand what it's like to grow up having absolutely zero examples of love and romance that applies to you, or what it means to me to finally have a fictional gay couple I can look up to as role models. Children are bombarded with love stories. Every princess has a prince, every action hero has a girl he gets to rescue. I never had that. I couldn't understand what it was like for a man to love a man because it was so foreign to me. Shepard and Kaidan mean the world to me. I just happen to get more satisfaction from it being a gay relationship, and not just a same-sex relationship. All I'm saying is I'm sad that Mac Walters didn't take that into account, since my understanding was BioWare lets me choose the sexuality of my love interest.

Andrewryanart is that you?

[L2 Sentinel]

Arcian wrote...

I HAVE read what you've said. It's discriminatory bollocks. Kaidan is bisexual IN EVERYONE'S PLAYTHROUGH. Refusing to acknowledge that fact is like saying Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose.

Does not being sexually attracted to black people make me racist? No?

Does not being attracted to women make me sexist? I didn't think so.

Why does not being attracted to bisexuals make me bigot? Explain that to me.

I want the Shepard and Kaidan romance to be everything I was missing as a kid, which it is. It's just more fulfilling when I picture them both as gay men because I identify with it more. If that makes me a bigot, then I guarantee I'm not the only bigot in this thread.

Modifié par Rauhel, 15 juillet 2013 - 07:27 .

[L2 Sentinel]

Demonique wrote...

Andrewryanart is that you?

I wish. I love his work. I take it you read the whole tumblr fiasco, too?

[MegaSovereign]

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what you want.

Kaidan is bisexual in everyone's playthrough. This is canon and the upcoming comic does not violate that.

[Steelcan]

Rauhel wrote...

Arcian wrote...

I HAVE read what you've said. It's discriminatory bollocks. Kaidan is bisexual IN EVERYONE'S PLAYTHROUGH. Refusing to acknowledge that fact is like saying Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose.

Does not being sexually attracted to black people make me racist? No?

Does not being attracted to women make me sexist? I didn't think so.

Why does not being attracted to bisexuals make me bigot? Explain that to me.

I want the Shepard and Kaidan romance to be everything I was missing as a kid, which it is. It's just more fulfilling when I picture them both as a gay because I identify with it more. If that makes me a bigot, then I guarantee I'm not the only bigot in this thread.

What you want is one thing, what is there is another.  I want a ME3 where I can side with Cerberus.  I want to be able to kill Liara.  But it can't happen.

[AresKeith]

Rauhel wrote...

Why does not being attracted to bisexuals make me bigot? Explain that to me.

I want the Shepard and Kaidan romance to be everything I was missing as a kid, which it is. It's just more fulfilling when I picture them both as a gay because I identify with it more. If that makes me a bigot, then I guarantee I'm not the only bigot in this thread.

They're calling you a bigot because your refusing to accept the fact that Kaidan is bisexual in everyone's playthrough EVEN YOURS

[Dextro Milk]

Well, this thread seems out of control.

[iOnlySignIn]

Gay (as opposed to Bisexual) Kaidan is against BioWare canon because he flirts with FemShep and expresses admiration of the Asari physicality regardless of your dialogue choices.

"Ties in to the Mass Effect 3: Citadel DLC pack" must mean there's one or a few panels of Kaidan cooking.

[MegaSovereign]

Dextro Milk wrote...

Well, this thread seems out of control.

Not really. This is pretty one-sided.

[L2 Sentinel]

AresKeith wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

Why does not being attracted to bisexuals make me bigot? Explain that to me.

I want the Shepard and Kaidan romance to be everything I was missing as a kid, which it is. It's just more fulfilling when I picture them both as a gay because I identify with it more. If that makes me a bigot, then I guarantee I'm not the only bigot in this thread.

They're calling you a bigot because your refusing to accept the fact that Kaidan is bisexual in everyone's playthrough EVEN YOURS

For reasons I've stated multiple times. It has nothing to do with intolerance. I am perfectly fine with Kaidan being bi in YOUR story. David Gaider was speaking as a representative of BioWare. What he said in that speech applies to all BioWare games, including Mass Effect. The BioWare approach is to let me define my character's relationship. I identify with gay, so I choose gay.

You can disagree with me taking David Gaider's approach to romance in BioWare games, but calling me a bigot because I disagree with the people that think there is only one way to interpret a character is ridiculous.

[Clayless]

OP, basically you've headcanoned Kaidan as being gay because he happens to be in a same-sex relationship in one of your playthroughs.

He isn't. He's bi. He's bi in everyones playthroughs. Including yours.

Him being in a same-sex relationship doesn't make him any less bi than him being in a opposite-sex relationship.

[Demonique]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I miss IsaacShep

What happened to him?

[iOnlySignIn]

Arcian wrote...

Choosing to love both men and women should never, EVER be called "hiding in the closet".

The question is, how can you tell which closet we're hiding in? 

[Steelcan]

Rauhel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

Why does not being attracted to bisexuals make me bigot? Explain that to me.

I want the Shepard and Kaidan romance to be everything I was missing as a kid, which it is. It's just more fulfilling when I picture them both as a gay because I identify with it more. If that makes me a bigot, then I guarantee I'm not the only bigot in this thread.

They're calling you a bigot because your refusing to accept the fact that Kaidan is bisexual in everyone's playthrough EVEN YOURS

For reasons I've stated multiple times. It has nothing to do with intolerance. I am perfectly fine with Kaidan being bi in YOUR story. David Gaider was speaking as a representative of BioWare. What he said in that speech applies to all BioWare games, including Mass Effect. The BioWare approach is to let me define my character's relationship. I identify with gay, so I choose gay.

You can disagree with me taking David Gaider's approach to romance in BioWare games, but calling me a bigot because I disagree with the people that think there is only one way to interpret a character is ridiculous.

It isn't an interpretation.  Kaidan says flat out that he is attracted to women and asari in ME1.  You cannot ignore that without it being headcanon.

[Dextro Milk]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

Well, this thread seems out of control.

Not really. This is pretty one-sided.

What I meant. If I was losing a "debate" like this, I would call it "out of control". I sorta feel bad for OP, he honestly likes Kaidan and wants him to be homosexual rather than bisexual. Though I'm not sure why it makes much of a difference considering that Kaidan will always love his Shepard in his own universe. 

[L2 Sentinel]

Steelcan wrote...

It isn't an interpretation.  Kaidan says flat out that he is attracted to women and asari in ME1.  You cannot ignore that without it being headcanon.

He didn't in my game. Not once. This type of dituation is also in David Gaider's speech. Don't flirt with a male character, and they won't give you any reason to assume they are attracted to men. Don't talk about girls with Kaidan, and he won't mention liking them.

My Shepard was gay, he didn't care to ask Kaidan for his opinion on ladies.

[SpamBot2000]

Who gives a damn about what the canon is after what Walters did to it? He blew up the canon, folks.

The only important point is never to give Walters any more money for his "products". That will only encourage him.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 15 juillet 2013 - 07:43 .

[Steelcan]

Rauhel wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

It isn't an interpretation.  Kaidan says flat out that he is attracted to women and asari in ME1.  You cannot ignore that without it being headcanon.

He didn't in my game. Not once. This type of dituation is also in David Gaider's speech. Don't flirt with a male character, and they won't give you any reason to assume they are attracted to men. Don't talk about girls with Kaidan, and he won't mention liking them.

My Shepard was gay, he didn't care to ask Kaidan for his opinion on ladies.

Once again, i didn't explicitly ask Miranda if she was into women.  That changes absolutely nothing about her.  She is still canonically straight.  just as Kaidan is canonically bi.