When I played ME3, I was actually pretty riveted through most of the story, and felt in-tune with the reactions they were played with in the game.
Until I got to Thessia, or specifically, right after Thessia. I really didn't care that the planet had fallen. Seriously, the asari brought it on themselves by not telling anyone about the beacon until the planet was in serious danger.
The worst part was that everyone on the ship was moping about it. I never got to criticize Tevos when she sat on the sidelines about Earth, and I'm supposed to feel bad about Thessia when she messed it up? Everyone on the ship was moping, including Shepard, and I was treated as if Shepard was upset and I wasn't.
I'm not criticizing the story aspect, the planet falling was fine, but why was it treated as something so horrible, but when Earth and Palaven and everything else fell, it was like, ho-hum, no big deal.
Did Anyone else not care about Thessia?
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:15
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That's stupid.
Thessia would have fallen regardless of whether they told anyone about the beacon or not. How would telling anyone have changed that?
The emotions after the defeat also have less to do with Thessia and more to do with Cerberus.
Thessia would have fallen regardless of whether they told anyone about the beacon or not. How would telling anyone have changed that?
The emotions after the defeat also have less to do with Thessia and more to do with Cerberus.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:15
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I never felt especially bad for Thessia or for Earth. My Shepard was a colony kid so I felt a lot worse for the random ass helpless little colony worlds like Tiptree.
Personally I thought that Shepard's super emotional response to any of those being *assumed* sucked. My Shepard only cared about Thessia insofar as she cared about the galaxy at large. There wasn't anything especially upsetting about Thessia.
I can understand people being concerned about Liara, but I wasn't more concerned about Liara than I was Garrus or Wrex or Tali or anybody else whose homeworld was threatened.
Personally I thought that Shepard's super emotional response to any of those being *assumed* sucked. My Shepard only cared about Thessia insofar as she cared about the galaxy at large. There wasn't anything especially upsetting about Thessia.
I can understand people being concerned about Liara, but I wasn't more concerned about Liara than I was Garrus or Wrex or Tali or anybody else whose homeworld was threatened.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:17
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A misconception many fans have is that Shepard is mourning the Asari more than his own people or the Turians, but that isn't the case. His reaction would have been the same had Palaven or Earth been the third homeworld to fall, with the final component needed for the Crucible stolen by Cerberus on one of those two worlds.
Its not really about Thessia in particular. Shepard and some of the crew are moping because the Reapers might have just scored a knockout blow against the Crucible forces. The war is starting to look like a loss.
Three of the four homeworlds of the major Citadel factions are now wholly or partially occupied by the Reapers, and the Crucible project..the one last hope that those factions had, is now looking to be completely derailed. Everyone is angry and depressed because defeat and annihilation is staring them in the face.
The Fall of Thessia is the quite literally the lowest point in the war for the Citadel factions.
Its not really about Thessia in particular. Shepard and some of the crew are moping because the Reapers might have just scored a knockout blow against the Crucible forces. The war is starting to look like a loss.
Three of the four homeworlds of the major Citadel factions are now wholly or partially occupied by the Reapers, and the Crucible project..the one last hope that those factions had, is now looking to be completely derailed. Everyone is angry and depressed because defeat and annihilation is staring them in the face.
The Fall of Thessia is the quite literally the lowest point in the war for the Citadel factions.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:17
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I cared, regardless of how it played out.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:24
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Asari pride themselves on the"long view", patience, and mediating.
All of those qualities sound good and nice, but they're useless in this game universe. This whole plot beginning in ME1 demanded action and ferocity. Not patience. So I don't feel sorry for them either. They failed, and didn't adapt. They decided to chart their preferred course. Same problem Javik says happened to his people... they didn't adapt.
It's not just about their hidden prothean beacon or the Councilor in ME3.. it's the whole series. They're the top species, so to speak, but behaved irresponsibly. Matriarch Aethyta says as much in ME2 a well.
edit: Then again, I might just say this about everyone except Shepard and the Normandy crew. And Cerberus. Everyone else is an idiot.
All of those qualities sound good and nice, but they're useless in this game universe. This whole plot beginning in ME1 demanded action and ferocity. Not patience. So I don't feel sorry for them either. They failed, and didn't adapt. They decided to chart their preferred course. Same problem Javik says happened to his people... they didn't adapt.
It's not just about their hidden prothean beacon or the Councilor in ME3.. it's the whole series. They're the top species, so to speak, but behaved irresponsibly. Matriarch Aethyta says as much in ME2 a well.
edit: Then again, I might just say this about everyone except Shepard and the Normandy crew. And Cerberus. Everyone else is an idiot.
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If they had told everyone about the beacon when the Reapers started invading it would've told them that the Crucible needs the Citadel to work, allowing them to use it and end the war early. Instead, Shepard had to waste his time going to Sanctuary, then the Cerberus Base searching for the damn thing.David7204 wrote...
That's stupid.
Thessia would have fallen regardless of whether they told anyone about the beacon or not. How would telling anyone have changed that?
The emotions after the defeat also have less to do with Thessia and more to do with Cerberus.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:26
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The asari did not 'fail' for not building a bajillion dreadnoughts because Shepard says so.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:27
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I wish I could have cracked open a beer and watched the world burn, but no... Liara needs attention again.
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David7204 wrote...
The asari did not 'fail' for not building a bajillion dreadnoughts because Shepard says so.
Why do you even play this game if you're going to slam your own character, Shepard. You're in the right.. that is your role. You're not allowed to speak against yourself. :happy:
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:28
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David7204 wrote...
That's stupid.
Thessia would have fallen regardless of whether they told anyone about the beacon or not. How would telling anyone have changed that?
The emotions after the defeat also have less to do with Thessia and more to do with Cerberus.
Considering that the component they had was in fact, the key to ending the war, telling them that very much could have ended the war earlier. Cerberus wouldn't have known about it since, according to the logs on their station, TIM instructed him to go there after the coup. Even if the planet fell, having the Crucible would have saved a ton of lives, but the asari couldn't get over how their "big secret" would be revealed, and in so, doomed trillions.
It is their fault, and we have to mope about it, be not in the mood for talk with EDI, and snap at Joker when we speak to him.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:29
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This forum in general seems to have an incredibly difficult time grasping what a race actually is. Because pretty much every post I see treats a race as if they had a half-dozen people in it.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:31
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I don't give a flying crap about the Asorry homeworld. After the mission, I was playing Bioware's shepard not mine. My femshep would've told the Asorry councillor to stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.
I wonder how many lives could've/would've been saved if the Asorry government told about the beacon earlier?
I wonder how many lives could've/would've been saved if the Asorry government told about the beacon earlier?
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:31
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Well, I actually agree.David7204 wrote...
This forum in general seems to have an incredibly difficult time grasping what a race actually is. Because pretty much every post I see treats a race as if they had a half-dozen people in it.
I see people kill the quarians for no other reason than "omg leaders are bad". Just pathetic to be honest.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:32
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David7204 wrote...
This forum in general seems to have an incredibly difficult time grasping what a race actually is. Because pretty much every post I see treats a race as if they had a half-dozen people in it.
Actually, they do. In regards to this topic at least, it just seems like you consider the asari to be a race and everyone else to be just...flak.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:35
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First of all, that's just nonsense hindsight bias. The asari did not 'doom trillions' any more than everyone who ever passed a young Hitler in the street 'doomed millions' by not beating him to death on sight.
Secondly, the Illusive Man telling Leng to head to Thessia after the Coup does nothing to prove or even indicate he didn't know about the beacon until then.
Secondly, the Illusive Man telling Leng to head to Thessia after the Coup does nothing to prove or even indicate he didn't know about the beacon until then.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:36
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+1Dextro Milk wrote...
David7204 wrote...
This forum in general seems to have an incredibly difficult time grasping what a race actually is. Because pretty much every post I see treats a race as if they had a half-dozen people in it.
"An entire race of people is being slaughtered before my eyes. But at least those nasty politicians got taught a lesson!"
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:41
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I think Beneziah was the last Asari who gave a damn. She was willing to believe Saren, probably for good reasons at first. Saren just happened to take the route of thinking they could make peace with the Reapers. The flaw of the rest of the Asari is thinking they were in control of their own fate. They believed in their own power and sense of control. And after Sovereign, still lived in denial. Just like other people on the Citadel did.
People like this don't get any pity from me at least. It's no different if I had friends who experienced something traumatic, and then went on like nothing happened, and made the same mistake again.
People like this don't get any pity from me at least. It's no different if I had friends who experienced something traumatic, and then went on like nothing happened, and made the same mistake again.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:42
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Seboist wrote...
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I didn't.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:46
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I think one of the lessons BioWare can take from the BSN is that much of their player base is comprised of morally stunted narcissists. Seriously, welcoming billions of civilian casualties because their leaders didn't conform to the player character's will? That's monstrous.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:48
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That said, when I say "power and control", I don't mean anything political. I mean the natural inclination that you're in charge of your own fate.. that there are no monsters or gods or powerful forces out to get you. It's only natural to live like this. The thing is, in the ME universe, there actually ARE monsters/gods/powerful forces out to get you. Beneziah was one of the few who didn't deny it, and tried to do something about it.
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That said, when I say "power and control", I don't mean anything political. I mean the natural inclination that you're in charge of your own fate.. that there are no monsters or gods or powerful forces out to get you. It's only natural to live like this. The thing is, in the ME universe, there actually ARE monsters/gods/powerful forces out to get you. Beneziah was one of the few who didn't deny it, and tried to do something about it.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:51
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I cared, but at the same time I was like " You had this information all along and did not tell us ? We could have saved Thessia and every other world earlier if you just told me about the beacon." Then again, it really did not matter in the end.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:54
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I'm wondering if that beacon was partly why Beneziah sprung into action in the first place. Or if it was Saren who told her. Guess it doesn't matter. Aethyta seemed to know something as well.
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