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[David7204]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That is nonsense. Is there a shred of evidence whatsoever that the asari ever learned a thing from the beacon? No. The evidence is that they were given help by the Protheans.

.  Except for the fact that they would have to be the dunbest people imaginable to not get anything.  Humanity extracted data before the even knew of mass effect technology.

That's completely different. It's implied the data on Mars was left for humans to intentionally discover by the Reapers. It was meant to be read by anyone. The beacon on Thessia is the exact opposite.

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

@Dextro Milk
  Why wouldn't they?  It improved their own station in the galaxy and kept other races technologically inferior.  Morally questionable, but when has that ever mattered?

When the leaders commit such atrocities with the silent consent of the populace we have only to look in a mirror to see those responsible.

What atrocities and where's the evidence of silent consent? We have no idea exactly what the asari gained from the beacon, and there's no way the wider asari population knew about it, the f*cking yahg Shadow Broker had no idea and this thing has been there the whole time he was in power.

Im sure he knew.  He knows every dirty little secret

[DuskWanderer]

David7204 wrote...

That is nonsense. Is there a shred of evidence whatsoever that the asari ever learned a thing from the beacon? No. The evidence is that they were given help by the Protheans.

If you choose the option "Explains asari superiority" when the beacon activates and you have Javik recruited (not necessarily in your party), then your third party member spells it out crystal clear. 

[David7204]

There's no reason whatsoever to assume all beacons are the same and are just as easy to pull data from, and too many people here are baselessly assuming.

[Nightwriter]

Other fans seemed more apathetic than I was about lots of things. Earth, Thessia, Grunt, whatever.

I suspect the popular dislike of the asari contributed to some people's apathy toward Thessia, though. I guess it didn't help that the game was shouting "BE GRIEF-STRICKEN!" after Thessia fell, either.

I find this phenomenon of people blaming a whole race for the actions of what was probably a small government group to be a little nonsensical.

[DuskWanderer]

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That is nonsense. Is there a shred of evidence whatsoever that the asari ever learned a thing from the beacon? No. The evidence is that they were given help by the Protheans.

.  Except for the fact that they would have to be the dunbest people imaginable to not get anything.  Humanity extracted data before the even knew of mass effect technology.

That's completely different. It's implied the data on Mars was left for humans to intentionally discover by the Reapers. It was meant to be read by anyone. The beacon on Thessia is the exact opposite.

"Implied?" That's a pretty weak argument. Further, what evidence do you have that the beacon on Thessia was not meant to be read, particularly since Javik says they thought the asari had the best chance to beat the Reapers next cycle, and gave them all the leg-ups they had. 

[David7204]

That fact that nobody has been able to read it?

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That is nonsense. Is there a shred of evidence whatsoever that the asari ever learned a thing from the beacon? No. The evidence is that they were given help by the Protheans.

.  Except for the fact that they would have to be the dunbest people imaginable to not get anything.  Humanity extracted data before the even knew of mass effect technology.

That's completely different. It's implied the data on Mars was left for humans to intentionally discover by the Reapers. It was meant to be read by anyone. The beacon on Thessia is the exact opposite.

.  Then Ill quote Liara, " I still could have learned from it".  Seems to show that it can be used and it explains asari technological superiority.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

That fact that nobody has been able to read it?

.  The game makes it clear that the asari used it.  Everybody but Liara sees it clear as day.

[David7204]

Technological superiority does not need to be 'explained.' That's ridiculous. Someone is always going to have the best technology.

No, it doesn't show that it can be used. It shows that A Prothean expert who is also the Shadow Broker can possibly learn something from it.

Modifié par David7204, 16 juillet 2013 - 12:39 .

[DuskWanderer]

David7204 wrote...

That fact that nobody has been able to read it?

Quotes from the game disprove your argument. Specifically, the one I mentioned about "explains asari superiority". Shepard (and your third party member, regardless of who it is) spells out clearly that the asari were using that beacon for thousands of years to be the most advanced species in the galaxy, and have an edge over other species. 

[Astartes Marine]

Did I care for Thessia burning? Nope. I actually had to suppress a laugh.  I have long wanted to see the blue bimbos get knocked down a few pegs from their high pedestal of pride and arrogance.  To see the planet in flames, nearly brought a tear to my eye.

Did I care for Liara during that mission? Not at all.
For one, her dialogue annoyed me greatly. We've been fighting husks and the like for three games now, and only now does she get distraught because she sees Asari husks. Excuse me princess, the Asari are not the only race to be mutilated, and they probably won't be the last. I need you focused on the battle at hand, if you can't keep your focus and are going to weep through this whole thing then you get your blue ass back on that shuttle and I'll get someone who knows how to keep their cool and someone I can rely on.

I wish I could have taken someone else on the team, someone I could actually depend on for proper support. Vega and his Typhoon with Incendiary rounds along with Garrus and his Widow / AP rounds for example. Good solid team selection that saw me buzzsaw my way through Insanity with little to no trouble. Having only one reliable squadmate disappointed me.

Don't even get me started on that terrible boss fight with Fail Leng...I was pissed off more at the extremely poor execution of a boss-level battle and the villain himself than losing the Prothean data.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 16 juillet 2013 - 12:42 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Technological superiority does not need to be 'explained.' That's ridiculous. Someone is always going to have the best technology.

No, it doesn't show that it can be used. It shows that A Prothean expert who is also the Shadow Broker can possibly learn something from it.

.  A laughably incompetent prothean 'scholar' who is only a worse SB.

the game makes it clear the asari owe it all to the protheans, through their extensive cultivation through artificial selection and direct teaching, to the beacon the asari used for information.

[iOnlySignIn]

Nightwriter wrote...

I find this phenomenon of people blaming a whole race for the actions of what was probably a small government group to be a little nonsensical.

Their whole race may not be responsible for the decision, but they certainly all benefitted greatly from it.

[David7204]

I really don't give a damn what means my ancestors won and lost by thousands of years ago. I don't speak for them, and they don't speak for me. Whatever happened to the asari ages ago does nothing to diminish the merit of any character in the game.

[DeinonSlayer]

I love how this defense always comes up whenever we talk about Thessia. We're desperately ripping around the galaxy looking for any Prothean artifact we can find, even if it's the equivalent of potsherds. For some of the artifacts we recover, it isn't even functional technology - their only use, as stated by the quest-giver, is as a translation aid - a "sphere" here, an obelisk there, some data drives over that way. We hear reports about scientists facing criminal charges for witholding Prothean artifacts. And now we're supposed to handwave the Asari holding back a find of this scale for as long as they did during the war on the assumption that nothing could have been learned from it?

Should their entire civilization pay for it? Of course not. Should their government? Hell yes.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 16 juillet 2013 - 12:48 .

[Dextro Milk]

Steelcan wrote...

@Dextro Milk
Why wouldn't they?  It improved their own station in the galaxy and kept other races technologically inferior.  Morally questionable, but when has that ever mattered?

You are assuming all Asari think themselves to be better than other races. Some of them do, obviously, but saying they were all like that? steelpls

When the leaders commit such atrocities with the silent consent of the populace we have only to look in a mirror to see those responsible.

Nah. You have still yet to prove that Jane-the-average-asari knew anything about a beacon. That beacon was as classified as it could get. Don't use headcanon and assume the average asari would know about it.

[David7204]

Do you 'handwave' the turians putting a bomb on Tuchanka and not telling anyone? Or 'hand'wave the salarians working with the Yahg on Sur'kesh?

No, you don't need to 'handwave' it. But proclaiming that the asari deserve to be exterminated is laughable.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

@Dextro Milk
  Why wouldn't they?  It improved their own station in the galaxy and kept other races technologically inferior.  Morally questionable, but when has that ever mattered?

When the leaders commit such atrocities with the silent consent of the populace we have only to look in a mirror to see those responsible.

What atrocities and where's the evidence of silent consent? We have no idea exactly what the asari gained from the beacon, and there's no way the wider asari population knew about it, the f*cking yahg Shadow Broker had no idea and this thing has been there the whole time he was in power.

Im sure he knew.  He knows every dirty little secret

He didn't, else Liara would know. 

[Nightwriter]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I find this phenomenon of people blaming a whole race for the actions of what was probably a small government group to be a little nonsensical.

Their whole race may not be responsible for the decision, but they certainly all benefitted greatly from it.

Which many people apparently believe means they deserved what they got. Silly brains. That would mean it would be right to kill you for buying bananas cheap from WalMart that were secretly the product of slave labor. YOU BENEFITED FROM THAT SLAVE LABOR WITH YOUR 60% LOWER PRICES.

[Steelcan]

@NightMammoth,
I imagine there is a great deal the old SB knew that Liara does not. She is criminally incompetent.

[Steelcan]

Modifié par Steelcan, 16 juillet 2013 - 12:54 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Thankfully, it is just your imagination. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2013 - 12:57 .