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[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Thankfully, you just imagine that.

"He had access to the highest levels of both the asari and turian governments"  Im bot even going to go into what she should have had knowledge of.... Either the broker is vastly overestimated, or Liara is incompetent.

[Jon The Wizard]

When I found out they were hiding the Prothean Beacon and, by association hiding knowledge of the Reapers vital to the war effort, I thought "serves them right."

Honestly, I still think the fallout from that revelation should be a plot point in Mass Effect 4 or Mass Effect: A New Hope or whatever they call the next game.

[The Night Mammoth]

I'm gonna do with the Broker being vastly overestimated.

What you're basically suggesting is that the previous Broker knew about the prothean beacon on Thessia, but either didn't have any record of that information, or Liara wasn't capable of finding it if he did, and if you're suggesting Liara couldn't use a simple search function in the Broker network after being capable of not only managing the network during war time but also using it to find the plans for the Crucible, then I'm gonna suggest you're letting bias cloud your judgement.

[Ledgend1221]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Did I care for Thessia burning? Nope. I actually had to suppress a laugh.  I have long wanted to see the blue bimbos get knocked down a few pegs from their high pedestal of pride and arrogance.  To see the planet in flames, nearly brought a tear to my eye.

Did I care for Liara during that mission? Not at all.
For one, her dialogue annoyed me greatly. We've been fighting husks and the like for three games now, and only now does she get distraught because she sees Asari husks. Excuse me princess, the Asari are not the only race to be mutilated, and they probably won't be the last. I need you focused on the battle at hand, if you can't keep your focus and are going to weep through this whole thing then you get your blue ass back on that shuttle and I'll get someone who knows how to keep their cool and someone I can rely on.

I wish I could have taken someone else on the team, someone I could actually depend on for proper support. Vega and his Typhoon with Incendiary rounds along with Garrus and his Widow / AP rounds for example. Good solid team selection that saw me buzzsaw my way through Insanity with little to no trouble. Having only one reliable squadmate disappointed me.

Don't even get me started on that terrible boss fight with Fail Leng...I was pissed off more at the extremely poor execution of a boss-level battle and the villain himself than losing the Prothean data.

I feel the same way.
And when she said "Next time the alliance can spring for Air support." I wanted to but a Inferno bullet between her eyes so she can burn along with the rest of stuipd planet.

[David7204]

People really need to get a grip. That line is a joke. It's gallows humor. That was incredibly obvious to me and hopefully many others from the very beginning. It was not, as you may errornously think, Liara seriously complaining about the Alliance not giving them gunships.

Modifié par David7204, 16 juillet 2013 - 01:07 .

[Steelcan]

Or Liara just never searched for it. There is no way she has memorized the entire store of knowledge.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

People really need to get a grip. That lines is a joke. It's gallows humor. That was incredibly obvious to me and hopefully many others from the very beginning.

.  Yet we have to feel sorry for her.  10 minutes later we ump on Joker for the same thing.

[David7204]

Uh, no, you don't have to feel sorry for her for that joke, because Shepard says nothing in response.

Modifié par David7204, 16 juillet 2013 - 01:08 .

[Arcian]

David7204 wrote...

That's stupid.

Behold, ladies and gentlemen, the Man Who Is Stuck On Repeat.

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

People really need to get a grip. That line is a joke. It's gallows humor. That was incredibly obvious to me and hopefully many others from the very beginning. It was not, as you may errornously think, Liara seriously complaining about the Alliance not giving them gunships.

Right... how many weeks did the Asari Republics sit back and let the Alliance and the Hierarchy twist in the wind before committing any of their own resources?

At least Joker was funny (in a really, really wrong kind of way).

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 16 juillet 2013 - 01:12 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Uh, no, you don't have to feel sorry for her for that joke, because Shepard says nothing in response.

.  You have to feel sorry for her after Thessia, yiu are forced to via dialigue.  You cannot tell her to shut up and soldier on, like very other member of your team.

[Jorji Costava]

I didn't much care about Thessia myself; as others have mentioned before, that losing Thessia is such a tragedy is something we're largely told to feel, rather than made to feel by the game's storytelling (How many times can Liara utter the phrase "My people!" in a one-hour span?).

Still, if we're being completely far to ME3, then we should note that ME2 suffers from a similar, but little-noted problem, which is that we're given little to no reason to care about the human colonies which are going missing. We've never visited or seen those places before, nor have we met any of the colonists. Yet the abductions are supposed to provide the stakes for ME2's story. At least there's no cutscene-induced failure in ME2 on a par with Thessia.

[David7204]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

People really need to get a grip. That line is a joke. It's gallows humor. That was incredibly obvious to me and hopefully many others from the very beginning. It was not, as you may errornously think, Liara seriously complaining about the Alliance not giving them gunships.

Right... how many weeks did the Asari Republics sit back and let the Alliance and the Hierarchy twist in the wind before committing any of their own resources?

At least Joker was funny (in a really, really wrong kind of way).

Did the miss the part of my post when I pointed out it was very obviously a joke? In other words, all of it?

That's nonsense anyway. As I'll point out yet again, there are numerous planets the player can visit detailing the asari struggling with the Reapers long before the player sets foot on Thessia.

Modifié par David7204, 16 juillet 2013 - 01:15 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

Or Liara just never searched for it. There is no way she has memorized the entire store of knowledge.

Why wouldn't she search for it? The Shadow Broker is a solo position, the network can't be difficult to search through with Glyph assisting. 

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

People really need to get a grip. That line is a joke. It's gallows humor. That was incredibly obvious to me and hopefully many others from the very beginning. It was not, as you may errornously think, Liara seriously complaining about the Alliance not giving them gunships.

Right... how many weeks did the Asari Republics sit back and let the Alliance and the Hierarchy twist in the wind before committing any of their own resources?

At least Joker was funny (in a really, really wrong kind of way).

Did the miss the part of my post when I pointed out it was very obviously a joke? In other words, all of it?

That's nonsense anyway. As I'll point out yet again, there are numerous planets the player can visit detailing the asari struggling with the Reapers long before the player sets foot on Thessia.

Thessia wasn't even attacked until during or after the Rannoch arc

[David7204]

And?

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Or Liara just never searched for it. There is no way she has memorized the entire store of knowledge.

Why wouldn't she search for it? The Shadow Broker is a solo position, the network can't be difficult to search through with Glyph assisting. 

.  Why would she search for it?  Its not like she is aware of its existence for long before you drop onto Thessia.

[Nightwriter]

osbornep wrote...

I didn't much care about Thessia myself; as others have mentioned before, that losing Thessia is such a tragedy is something we're largely told to feel, rather than made to feel by the game's storytelling (How many times can Liara utter the phrase "My people!" in a one-hour span?).

Still, if we're being completely far to ME3, then we should note that ME2 suffers from a similar, but little-noted problem, which is that we're given little to no reason to care about the human colonies which are going missing. We've never visited or seen those places before, nor have we met any of the colonists. Yet the abductions are supposed to provide the stakes for ME2's story. At least there's no cutscene-induced failure in ME2 on a par with Thessia.

+ 10

They really did feel like an empty plot device. They had a difficult job: they had to feel important enough to make joining Cerberus feel absolutely, immediately necessary. And for me they didn't come anywhere near close to that.

Thessia suffers the same problem, but it had the benefit of being one of the only spots of poor emotional investment execution in a game that otherwise invested my emotions pretty well.

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Uh, no, you don't have to feel sorry for her for that joke, because Shepard says nothing in response.

.  You have to feel sorry for her after Thessia, yiu are forced to via dialigue.  You cannot tell her to shut up and soldier on, like very other member of your team.

Actually, you can. Not in an aggressive "snap out of it!" kind of way, but an unsympathetic "I need you functional." I only did that once to see what the dialogue was; I've yet to RP a Shepard who behaves like that.

The person I really wanted to tear into was Tevos. What we got was "Thessia fell, and That's On Me!"

I mean, really? Shepard may well have shot Mordin in the back, killed the Rachni Queen and either shot Legion or arranged for nearly twenty million people to be slaughtered by robots, condemning three entire species to extinction thus far without expressing any remorse, but THIS he gets all blubbery for? It's the only genocide in-game that Shepard doesn't instigate.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 16 juillet 2013 - 01:27 .

[David7204]

Explain to me how in the bleeding hell you think Thessia not being attacked until after Rannoch 'proves' that no asari worlds were attacked before Rannoch.

[Steelcan]

I meant in an agressive snap out of it way.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Or Liara just never searched for it. There is no way she has memorized the entire store of knowledge.

Why wouldn't she search for it? The Shadow Broker is a solo position, the network can't be difficult to search through with Glyph assisting. 

.  Why would she search for it?  Its not like she is aware of its existence for long before you drop onto Thessia.

Because Shepard has no idea what they're going to the temple of Athame for, they're just given a location by Tevos and some vague information about a prothean artifact.

Liara, the Shadow Broker, an asari prothean expert who has already been to the temple at least once, whose mother was involved with the temple, asari politics, and the Athame religion, would probably try to find more information on what they're going to discover there.

You're suggesting that she didn't bother to do that. 

I'm suggesting that it's more likely that this is one secret the Shadow Broker network has no clue about.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 juillet 2013 - 01:34 .