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[shit's fucked cunts]

Ryzaki wrote...

Clearly because not caring about something means I believe they deserved it and...not you know there's more important things for me to be concerned about.

Clearly.

Clearly that wasn't directed at you, then. There are people who literally say they are glad the asari take such a beating because their government withheld vital information.

If that doesn't apply to you, there's no need for you to be so catty. Clearly.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Zazzerka wrote...

Thessia and all of it's people deserve to burn because of a few corrupt and/or paranoid officials.

Yep.

I don't think that.

I do think that the Asari are... reaping the fruits of their succor, so to speak (pun intended).

It's karma basically. I don't want to see them all die, but I admit, I am slightly satisfied to see them taken down a peg.

I think their world will be last in line to receive aid for rebuilding post-war. They made their bed, they get to lie in it.

[shit's fucked cunts]

You need to separate "the asari" from the ones who actually made the decision. It shouldn't give you pleasure to see civilians harmed because of the actions of their government. Their bed was made for them. All I'm saying.

I fully support a "**** you, Tevos" option, by the way.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 16 juillet 2013 - 04:09 .

[Ryzaki]

Zazzerka wrote...
Clearly that wasn't directed at you, then. There are people who literally say they are glad the asari take such a beating because their government withheld vital information.

If that doesn't apply to you, there's no need for you to be so catty. Clearly.

*shrugs* fair enough.

But hey I'm catty when people are catty. Can't help myself.

Clearly.

My main issue with thessia is I'm forced to go onto a planet I don't give a damn about, with a character I REALLY don't like (Liara), saying comments I really want a "**** you" reaction to that I don't get, and at the end my Shep blames himself for being blindsided when other forces (Tevos) gave him **** information, with **** time. Not to mention that bull**** Kai Leng fight with that ****ing gunship. and "I NEED TO RECHARGE." then to make it even WORSE Shep's all snippy and broody and biting people's heads off in more of that good old BW canon Shep wangst fest.

Seriously **** that whole mission. I never hated a BW level as much as that one. Wait no there's one more. That damn starter dungeon in BG2. Screw that lvl. Still not as bad as Thessia though. Least with BG2 my main issue was length and not story and characterization. (Oh and the Fade but I use the skip the fade mod so the rage and boredom from that is mostly nullified).

That mission would've been much improved for me with liberal "Screw you" options.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2013 - 04:17 .

[The Don's Hound]

I also support a f*ck you Tevos option.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Zazzerka wrote...

You need to separate "the asari" from the ones who actually made the decision. It shouldn't give you pleasure to see civilians harmed because of the actions of their government. Their bed was made for them. All I'm saying.

I fully support a "**** you, Tevos" option, by the way.

I'm saying that I don't mind seeing the kick to the collective ego of their race.

[Wolfva2]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Yeah, you got me there Massive. A stoic laughing? /facepalm

In BWs defense (lame as it may be), most other games with a pre-rolled antogonist do the same. I just started Deus Ex Human Revolution. Enjoying it massively, but apparently in the past your character quit the SWAT team because he refused to shoot a 15 year old aug who was threatening people. <blink><blink> I don't get it. This is supposed to show...what? That he's caring? That he won't kill a kid? A person with a weapon threatening people is a person with a weapon. I don't care how old he is. You cap his arse. You don't do it because you like it, or because you want to, you do it because your job is to protect the lives of the innocent and he's threatening those lives. I'm not particularly happy that my character is 'forced' into having made such a poor decision before the game even starts. But sometimes we have to accept that we don't have full control over our characters and just shrug it off. After all, we play games to have fun...why over think it? But still...it's annoying <LOL>

That's one hell of a scewed example tbh. There's a difference between a character's backstory being predetermined and something happening on screen when an issue of emotional investment comes up. For instance you can choose between holding on to Megan's bracelet or letting go and giving it to her mom, you can similarly define his viewpoint in regards to whether he feels resentment towards being augmented. The events leading to your current situation are strickly scripted what emotons you want your character to have are largely your buisness however.
It's one of the reasons I liked the Jacob romance in ME2 so much, it actually provided an opportunity to vent if I felt like it, and if I did it let me decide what I wanted to vent most.

If you expect perfect analogies, you're going to be very disapointed in your life.  ESPECIALLY when they're my analogies.  Point I was making is sometimes there are things outside of our character's control.  Hopefully, in future games, this won't be so.  But it is now, live with it.

[Barquiel]

Zazzerka wrote...

You need to separate "the asari" from the ones who actually made the decision. It shouldn't give you pleasure to see civilians harmed because of the actions of their government. Their bed was made for them. All I'm saying.

I fully support a "**** you, Tevos" option, by the way.

 I don't get the Tevos hate (a classic case of shooting the messenger?). The matriarchs on Thessia informed Tevos of the existence of the beacon during the war (as she tells you after Tuchanka)...and she immediately contacts Shepard.  You have no cause to blame her.

[shit's fucked cunts]

Barquiel wrote...

 I don't get the Tevos hate (a classic case of shooting the messenger?). The matriarchs on Thessia informed Tevos of the existence of the beacon during the war (as she tells you after Tuchanka)...and she immediately contacts Shepard.  You have no cause to blame her.

I agree, and it's not an option I would pick, but it's not like Shepard is completely innocent of blowing up at people who don't deserve it. At the very least it would mean people could roleplay their Shepards better, and their negative reaction to Thessia would be lessened.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 16 juillet 2013 - 04:24 .

[Barquiel]

You've got a point there

Modifié par Barquiel, 16 juillet 2013 - 04:29 .

[shit's fucked cunts]

Damn it, you quoted before I edited.

[AresKeith]

Zazzerka wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

 I don't get the Tevos hate (a classic case of shooting the messenger?). The matriarchs on Thessia informed Tevos of the existence of the beacon during the war (as she tells you after Tuchanka)...and she immediately contacts Shepard.  You have no cause to blame her.

I agree, and it's not an option I would pick, but it's not like Shepard is completely innocent of blowing up at people who don't deserve it. At the very least it would mean people could roleplay their Shepards better, and their negative reaction to Thessia would be lessened.

A non-mean response to Joker's Asari joke should be added too

[Ryzaki]

AresKeith wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

 I don't get the Tevos hate (a classic case of shooting the messenger?). The matriarchs on Thessia informed Tevos of the existence of the beacon during the war (as she tells you after Tuchanka)...and she immediately contacts Shepard.  You have no cause to blame her.

I agree, and it's not an option I would pick, but it's not like Shepard is completely innocent of blowing up at people who don't deserve it. At the very least it would mean people could roleplay their Shepards better, and their negative reaction to Thessia would be lessened.

A non-mean response to Joker's Asari joke should be added too

Agreed. Even just a chuckle and Shep appreciating Joker trying to cheer him/her up.

2 options biting the guys head off is bleh.

[Barquiel]

AresKeith wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

 I don't get the Tevos hate (a classic case of shooting the messenger?). The matriarchs on Thessia informed Tevos of the existence of the beacon during the war (as she tells you after Tuchanka)...and she immediately contacts Shepard.  You have no cause to blame her.

I agree, and it's not an option I would pick, but it's not like Shepard is completely innocent of blowing up at people who don't deserve it. At the very least it would mean people could roleplay their Shepards better, and their negative reaction to Thessia would be lessened.

A non-mean response to Joker's Asari joke should be added too

Shepard can already say that he/she appreciates the thought if you chose the paragon answers (I picked the renegade response:D)

[The Don's Hound]

Ryzaki wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...
Clearly that wasn't directed at you, then. There are people who literally say they are glad the asari take such a beating because their government withheld vital information.

If that doesn't apply to you, there's no need for you to be so catty. Clearly.

*shrugs* fair enough.

But hey I'm catty when people are catty. Can't help myself.

Clearly.

My main issue with thessia is I'm forced to go onto a planet I don't give a damn about, with a character I REALLY don't like (Liara), saying comments I really want a "**** you" reaction to that I don't get, and at the end my Shep blames himself for being blindsided when other forces (Tevos) gave him **** information, with **** time. Not to mention that bull**** Kai Leng fight with that ****ing gunship. and "I NEED TO RECHARGE." then to make it even WORSE Shep's all snippy and broody and biting people's heads off in more of that good old BW canon Shep wangst fest.

Seriously **** that whole mission. I never hated a BW level as much as that one. Wait no there's one more. That damn starter dungeon in BG2. Screw that lvl. Still not as bad as Thessia though. Least with BG2 my main issue was length and not story and characterization. (Oh and the Fade but I use the skip the fade mod so the rage and boredom from that is mostly nullified).

That mission would've been much improved for me with liberal "Screw you" options.

I agree with the Kai Leng part, but Shepard had a right to be irritated, failure at that point, and with something so critical, would ****** me off, frankly I think it'd be dumb if he wasn't pissed off.

So, I don't see why one fight and the fact that Shepard is doing his duty to get Prothean information about the Crucible, can make the mission sh*t. 

Modifié par Whitefang131, 16 juillet 2013 - 04:36 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Ryzaki wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

 I don't get the Tevos hate (a classic case of shooting the messenger?). The matriarchs on Thessia informed Tevos of the existence of the beacon during the war (as she tells you after Tuchanka)...and she immediately contacts Shepard.  You have no cause to blame her.

I agree, and it's not an option I would pick, but it's not like Shepard is completely innocent of blowing up at people who don't deserve it. At the very least it would mean people could roleplay their Shepards better, and their negative reaction to Thessia would be lessened.

A non-mean response to Joker's Asari joke should be added too

Agreed. Even just a chuckle and Shep appreciating Joker trying to cheer him/her up.

2 options biting the guys head off is bleh.

I support it as well. It comes off as the player being forced to feel bad (forced emotion in ME3, story of my life.)

That said, as I say, my Shepard would take the renegade option. He's snapping over what happened on Thessia. Not over the planet or for the Asari. He's angry over being so close to the finish, to having victory - survival - possibly yanked out of grasp for good. All the pressure that's been building up over the entire war for him, from having to be the errand boy and problem solver for everyone, being their go-to fix-it man for the Reapers when they couldn't be bothered before and even renouncing him for trying to get them to listen, being separated from his love, being forced into a situation he doesn't want to be in, with the people that he's supposedly trying to save almost fighting him at every step, and th grim reality of the loss after loss after loss to the Reapers. His patience is pretty thin, and he's pretty much had it. Thessia was just the point that made him snap.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Wolfva2 wrote...
If you expect perfect analogies, you're going to be very disapointed in your life.  ESPECIALLY when they're my analogies.  Point I was making is sometimes there are things outside of our character's control.  Hopefully, in future games, this won't be so.  But it is now, live with it.

That's the thing I disagree with though, that sort of control was possible in previous installments and other games, it could have been possible in this one, I don't need to hope for a future game to fullfill my prefered game style there's already some that do so. Future installments of the series won't avoid said issue if it's not brought up either.

[spirosz]

I did not care for Liara.

[Ryzaki]

Whitefang131 wrote...
I agree with the Kai Leng part, but Shepard had a right to be irritated, failure at that point, and with something so critical, would ****** me off, frankly I think it'd be dumb if he wasn't pissed off.

So, I don't see why one fight and the fact that Shepard is doing his duty to get Prothean information about the Crucible, can make the mission sh*t. 

Shep having a right to be irritated is one thing. Being pissed off at people who had nothing to do with it is quite another. What I want is an option NOT to be chewing people out who had his back the whole game (if not the whole trilogy!) least not via railroading. Options are beautiful.

And I don't count paragon choice with Joker as this. Even Paragon Shep says very snippy "not now Joker". Cause you know he's not having issues of his own either. (He being Joker)

That's great. I clearly listed out the reasons why *I* didn't like the mission and felt it was ****. You don't have to agree with it. And it was far more than one fight. Actually I think my least favorite character not being shoved down my throat YET AGAIN would probably vastly improve my view of that mission. Wouldn't be great but wouldn't be the feastering pit of slime that I dread going through it is now to me.   As it is just to get it over with quicker I enable godmode, storymode, infinite ammo and just charge while playing some music in the background so I don't have to listen to Liara.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2013 - 04:52 .

[Ryzaki]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I support it as well. It comes off as the player being forced to feel bad (forced emotion in ME3, story of my life.)

That said, as I say, my Shepard would take the renegade option. He's snapping over what happened on Thessia. Not over the planet or for the Asari. He's angry over being so close to the finish, to having victory - survival - possibly yanked out of grasp for good. All the pressure that's been building up over the entire war for him, from having to be the errand boy and problem solver for everyone, being their go-to fix-it man for the Reapers when they couldn't be bothered before and even renouncing him for trying to get them to listen, being separated from his love, being forced into a situation he doesn't want to be in, with the people that he's supposedly trying to save almost fighting him at every step, and th grim reality of the loss after loss after loss to the Reapers. His patience is pretty thin, and he's pretty much had it. Thessia was just the point that made him snap.

Ugh agreed on the bolded. To make it worse I'm not that fond of BW's canon Shep. He's actually more boring to me than the brick Shepard that was in ME1. Where's brick Shep could be hilariously apathetic (especially renedouche). Canon Shep in ME3 to me anyway is just...ugh. And thsoe dreams and the Catalyst *takes deep breathe* Nope. Not ranting on that again. Let's just say there's nothing I dislike more in a RPG with a fully (or extremely close to fully) customizable character than forced FEELZ.

Ah my Shep was more resigned to it going to **** at that point. He was just waiting for the other shoe to drop since Tuckhanka really. I kind of imagine some hysterical laughter at seeing Kai Leng's two year old gloating letter.

"I knew it wasn't gonna be that simple" was his reaction to Kai Leng's appearence.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2013 - 04:55 .

[Secretlyapotato]

No it made me sad. You're just heartless I guess

[Nole]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Of course I care about Thessia. Where I'm going to go once I'm retired if Thessia is destroyed?

Nevos?

Earth?

Illium?

Eden Prime?

Elysium?

The Citadel?

Or the best one yet, Lesuss. I think you'd *love* it there.

But I like the tentacles.

Then go swim with the squid in the Sea of Cortez. It's the same thing.

Now that you mention it...

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
It's like that Necanor guy and Quarians...

I'm standing right here. 

Well, I could go into how Quarians are one of the best races in the universe, but that would seriously derail the topic. 

On topic, despite my utter hatred for Liara, I didn't want the extermination of the Asari people. The war with the reapers is pointless anyway, if fought conventionally, so we can't merely focus our choices on military effectiveness. If we only had the choice between the Turian colony and the Volus bomber fleet, I'd still have chosen the colony.

[DeinonSlayer]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
It's like that Necanor guy and Quarians...

I'm standing right here. 

Well, I could go into how Quarians are one of the best races in the universe, but that would seriously derail the topic. 

On topic, despite my utter hatred for Liara, I didn't want the extermination of the Asari people. The war with the reapers is pointless anyway, if fought conventionally, so we can't merely focus our choices on military effectiveness. If we only had the choice between the Turian colony and the Volus bomber fleet, I'd still have chosen the colony.

Speaking of contrived situations... Zaeed gets both the fleet and the colony name out of Korlack by simply threatening to beat him up. I figure that's something Renegade Shepard would be more than equipped to handle.

RenShep: "Is it true what they say, that a suit puncture will make a volus' skin split open? I've always wondered just how skinny you really are under there."
Korlack: "Aphus! *wheeze* It's Aphus! *wheeze* *wheeze* Take the fleet, take my credit chit, just *wheeze* please, *wheeze* don't hurt me!"

[Barquiel]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

When did the Asari Councilor promise help before the coup? Seems she flat out denies assistance before then. 

And an Asari unit on a single human colony, that we little have no context on.

Great evidence.

The Asari contribute more war assets than the Turians, and double the Salarians. The Reapers attacked the first asari worlds (for example Illium) right when they are taking Earth and attacking Palaven, but we know the asari assisted the Alliance before Tevos officially announced that their fleets will help to retake Earth when the time is ready. You're right, we don't have much information about Tiptree...but as far as we know, the Asari were the only ones helping the Alliance colonies evacuate at that time.

They should have joined the war summit, I agree. But they joined after the Cerberus coup, so virtually the same time as anyone else does and without demanding anything in return. Claiming that the Asari didn't offer assistence is simply incorrect. In fact, it's sheer nonsense.

Modifié par Barquiel, 16 juillet 2013 - 06:09 .