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[Han Shot First]

Zazzerka wrote...

You need to separate "the asari" from the ones who actually made the decision. It shouldn't give you pleasure to see civilians harmed because of the actions of their government. Their bed was made for them. All I'm saying.

I fully support a "**** you, Tevos" option, by the way.

I fully support a fvck Tevos option as well.





Oh wait..

[PMC65]

Han Shot First wrote...

I fully support a fvck Tevos option as well.




Oh wait..

I like the way you think, my good man!

[HellbirdIV]

I cared about Thessia more than Earth, anyway. But I also cared more about Palaven and Rannoch than Earth.

The problem with Thessia, for me, was that we're apparently supposed to feel extra sad for the asari because they're women, and that kind of sexism just bugs me. They're no more or less worth than any of the turians, quarians or krogan who get slaughtered on their respective homeworlds.

As for the Beacon... Really? Why are people pissy about the asari hiding the Beacon? In ME1, SHEPARD can tell Anderson that she wants the Alliance to keep the Eden Prime beacon for themselves.

Given everything the asari have done for the rest of the galaxy - helping the elcor reach the Citadel, preventing the turians from completley conquering humanity, founding a galactic community based on mutual strength and understanding instead of using their superior technology and biotics to conquer it like the Protheans did - I think I'm going to forgive them for not wanting to give all the short-sighted, hyper-aggressive aliens direct access to a Prothean beacon.

Christ, you people can be butthurt.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 16 juillet 2013 - 06:43 .

[Arcian]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I cared about Thessia more than Earth, anyway. But I also cared more about Palaven and Rannoch than Earth.

The problem with Thessia, for me, was that we're apparently supposed to feel extra sad for the asari because they're women, and that kind of sexism just bugs me. They're no more or less worth than any of the turians, quarians or krogan who get slaughtered on their respective homeworlds.

As for the Beacon... Really? Why are people pissy about the asari hiding the Beacon? In ME1, SHEPARD can tell Anderson that she wants the Alliance to keep the Eden Prime beacon for themselves.

Given everything the asari have done for the rest of the galaxy - helping the elcor reach the Citadel, preventing the turians from completley conquering humanity, founding a galactic community based on mutual strength and understanding instead of using their superior technology and biotics to conquer it like the Protheans did - I think I'm going to forgive them for not wanting to give all the short-sighted, hyper-aggressive aliens direct access to a Prothean beacon.

Christ, you people can be butthurt.

gooby pls

[in it for the lolz]

Screw the Blue Xenos! (and not in that way), they got everything that was coming to them.

EDIT: My only regret is that I never got to deliver the killing blow to their whole race.

Modifié par in it for the lolz, 16 juillet 2013 - 07:35 .

[Dieb]

It's necessary to devide into two perspectives here.

I understand that many players are upset about technically not having a choice whether to express Shepard's emotions or not. However, that includes acknowledging how here again, it's not the sudden situation of not being able to choose which emotion your character feels. It's almost usually been "give into it or display apathy" before, hasn't it?

So as for Shepard as a character, it's of course a bit more complicated. In my opinion, Shepard's strong emotions come from partially the fall of Thessia as a planet with billions of people on it, and partially from losing against Cerberus. The device Kai Leng got away with was the one glimpse of hope they had, and with Shepard's record of never failing at least when he/she takes matters in his/her very own hands, there's a sudden shock. It's a huge setback in the effort against the Reapers, and this time it can't be washed away with we couldn't find it or it doesn't work, it's just I wasn't good enough.

On the other hand, the Commander just watched a civilization fall, and an entire population with it. Right before one's eye, standing really amidst it all. Shepard only had to endure a sight like that once before, on Earth. And was just as devasted - only without the time to let it all out and instead lots of other things to do back then, with Hackett instantly chiming in with the news about Mars. Very well, the Asari government didn't exactly help with their withdrawal of vital information, their reluctance to participate in the war efforts at first were more than just selfish even - that doesn't make their deaths, let alone the death of any civillian, less tragic.

Another vital decision you do not get to make - and rightfully so - is that Shepard is a hero, regardless of the personality you construct. I understand some are upset because they don't get to remain apathetic towards the crew for professional reasons. If however I don't care because you had it coming and/or I've seen comparable things and/or I don't like individual members of this race, is the explanation that your Shepard would lay back and tan his/her ego in the fires - then frankly, I think your protagonist would have nothing but a disgusting and inappropriate personality.

If Shepard only ever helped or cared for those who he/she believes have earned it, it would be a whole different game.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 16 juillet 2013 - 09:24 .

[KaiserShep]

Baelrahn wrote...
If however I don't care because you had it coming and/or I've seen comparable things and/or I don't like individual members of this race, is the explanation that your Shepard would lay back and tan his/her ego in the fires - then frankly, I think your protagonist would have nothing but a disgusting and inappropriate personality.

If Shepard only ever helped or cared for those who he/she believes have earned it, it would be a whole different game.

I have to agree with this. A character that simply doesn't care about witnessing the death of millions of people, on account of the actions of maybe a few politicians has a serious lack of perspective and is unfit for the role. I see this as more of a meta-gaming thing, because in the character's place, no sensible person would look at all the death and destruction and think "Whatevs. You had it coming, blue babes." 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 16 juillet 2013 - 09:34 .

[Astartes Marine]

HellbirdIV wrote...
I cared about Thessia more than Earth, anyway. But I also cared more about Palaven and Rannoch than Earth.

What is wrong with people these days, caring about alien worlds over their own home, the cradle of mankind?

HellbirdIV wrote...
As for the Beacon... Really? Why are people pissy
about the asari hiding the Beacon? In ME1, SHEPARD can tell Anderson
that she wants the Alliance to keep the Eden Prime beacon for
themselves.

Hiding Prothean tech of any sort carries heavy legal penalties in the ME universe, the kind of penalties that can cost one's council seat or outcast a race.  The Asari are not exempt from the law nor should anyone be. 

HellbirdIV wrote...
I think I'm going to forgive them for not wanting to give all the
short-sighted, hyper-aggressive aliens direct access to a Prothean
beacon.

They still broke the law that carries severe penalties, it is not solely their call to make whether others get access to Prothean tech. 

in it for the lolz wrote...

Screw the Blue Xenos! (and not in that way), they got everything that was coming to them.

EDIT: My only regret is that I never got to deliver the killing blow to their whole race.

I'd have dropped cyclonic torpedoes.  I'm not without mercy, it would be far quicker than what the Reapers would do to them and it would undoubtedly obliterate a sizeable Reaper force including many of their capital ships when the planet shatters.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 16 juillet 2013 - 10:10 .

[HellbirdIV]

Astartes Marine wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...
I cared about Thessia more than Earth, anyway. But I also cared more about Palaven and Rannoch than Earth.

What is wrong with people these days, caring about alien worlds over their own home, the cradle of mankind?

Earth in the Mass Effect universe is a ****hole, though. Even my Earthborn Sheps don't care much about it - hell, they joined the military to get AWAY from Earth.

[hpjay]

Based on some of the responses in this thread, I'm thinking ME4 should be let us play as the last remains of the reaper forces and the players can attempt to wipe out the folks they don't care for.  


Schadenfreude

[Astartes Marine]

HellbirdIV wrote...
Earth in the Mass Effect universe is a ****hole, though. Even my Earthborn Sheps don't care much about it - hell, they joined the military to get AWAY from Earth.

My Shepard was a colonist but still recognizes that no matter the attitude of people at the time, Earth is still the birthplace and home of the human race and thus should always be protected. 

[in it for the lolz]

Astartes Marine wrote...

 

in it for the lolz wrote...

Screw the Blue Xenos! (and not in that way), they got everything that was coming to them.

EDIT: My only regret is that I never got to deliver the killing blow to their whole race.

I'd have dropped cyclonic torpedoes.  I'm not without mercy, it would be far quicker than what the Reapers would do to them and it would undoubtedly obliterate a sizeable Reaper force including many of their capital ships when the planet shatters.

Mercy is a weakness that the Blue Xenos will use against you.

[Ledgend1221]

in it for the lolz wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

 

in it for the lolz wrote...

Screw the Blue Xenos! (and not in that way), they got everything that was coming to them.

EDIT: My only regret is that I never got to deliver the killing blow to their whole race.

I'd have dropped cyclonic torpedoes.  I'm not without mercy, it would be far quicker than what the Reapers would do to them and it would undoubtedly obliterate a sizeable Reaper force including many of their capital ships when the planet shatters.

Mercy is a weakness that the Blue Xenos will use against you.

But wiping out aliens quickly is a sign of effiecnecy.
A trait which does well to further Human Supremecy.

[in it for the lolz]

[quote]Ledgend1221 wrote...

[quote]in it for the lolz wrote...

[/quote]
Mercy is a weakness that the Blue Xenos will use against you.[/quote]
But wiping out aliens quickly is a sign of effiecnecy.
A trait which does well to further Human Supremecy.

[/quote]
The Blue Xenos must be made to suffer for being this blight to our doorstep.
For every one human that dies on Earth, 10,000 Blue Xenos must die painfully. 

[SinerAthin]

I believe that the main reason why the player so often did not care was because the player never got a chance to establish any emotional connections to the planet in the Mass Effect series.

Modifié par SinerAthin, 16 juillet 2013 - 10:40 .

[ULT1M4T3xPL]

Seriously, am I the only one around here that wonders why the hell the Asari didn't know about the Reapers?

I mean, they were using the beacon for thousands of years. Are you saying they never bothered to ask what happened to the Protheans? The VI had all the information about the Crucible - shouldn't it like, I don't know, warn them about the harvest?

The way I see it, there are 3 explanations:
1) Bad writing
2) Asari Goverment consists of useless idiots who ignored the biggest threat in history
3) (Insert crazy conspiracy theory about Asari going into stasis so they have 50000 years to prepare for the next cycle)

So yeah, can't say I felt sorry for them in ME3

Thoughts?

[KaiserShep]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...
I cared about Thessia more than Earth, anyway. But I also cared more about Palaven and Rannoch than Earth.

What is wrong with people these days, caring about alien worlds over their own home, the cradle of mankind?

Earth in the Mass Effect universe is a ****hole, though. Even my Earthborn Sheps don't care much about it - hell, they joined the military to get AWAY from Earth.

Earthborn Shepard was a gang member that lived in a rough area and left at a young age. Needless to say this is not the best perspective to get a good idea of what Earth was actually like. 

[Barquiel]

ULT1M4T3xPL wrote...

Seriously, am I the only one around here that wonders why the hell the Asari didn't know about the Reapers?

I mean, they were using the beacon for thousands of years. Are you saying they never bothered to ask what happened to the Protheans? The VI had all the information about the Crucible - shouldn't it like, I don't know, warn them about the harvest?

The way I see it, there are 3 explanations:
1) Bad writing
2) Asari Goverment consists of useless idiots who ignored the biggest threat in history
3) (Insert crazy conspiracy theory about Asari going into stasis so they have 50000 years to prepare for the next cycle)

So yeah, can't say I felt sorry for them in ME3

Thoughts?

This is addressed multiple times in the game. To use the beacon, you need to be a prothean, or at least have the cipher. The asari couldn't activate the beacon.

Liara: I've studied Protheans my entire life. If I'd been shown the beacon on Thessia earlier...
EDI: You would have needed Shepard's cipher to comprehend it.

[Foolsfolly]

David7204 wrote...

And yet again, we're going right to being crippling incapable of distinguishing what a race actually is. The asari did not 'do nothing.' There are a significant number of asari planets Shepard can visit that detail their struggles with the Reapers long before the player sets foot on Thessia.

Secondly, I don't have to provide evidence. The burden of proof is on you. The Illusive Man waited for Shepard to retrieve the beacon because he needed Shepard to unlock it.

It was Cerberus who stole the beacon. Not the Reapers.

Perhaps you're not realizing people are talking about the asari government which did do nothing until they needed someone's help. And then the game plays their fall as though its the saddest thing ever and all Shepard's fault. And Shepard has to get angry to everyone and sad because asari are special.

The asari government did get what it deserved. The evidence of a full scale galactic invasion was apparent the moment Kar'Shan got taken out. And they did nothing. Then Palavan and Earth fell and the asari government did nothing. And while the galaxy burned the asari still did nothing.

And they could have done something. Turns out the big "I win" plot coupon was on their homeworld and they'd known about it for thousands of years. And in the face of reaper invasion they did nothing.

Civilians died everywhere. Soldiers died everywhere. How many could have been spared had the asari acted sooner? How many could have been saved had the asari government turned over their beacon the moment Soverign attacked the Citadel?

Instead they did nothing.

Stop thinking we're talking about "That one belly dancer in Flux" when we say "asari" we're saying their body of government.

[Foolsfolly]

hpjay wrote...

Based on some of the responses in this thread, I'm thinking ME4 should be let us play as the last remains of the reaper forces and the players can attempt to wipe out the folks they don't care for.  


Schadenfreude

A Mass Effect game where the PC can win again!

Hell, yeah! Let's steam roll the galaxy and then, for ****s and giggles, we should tell one of their war heroes they can decide the fate of the galaxy because they're special... but instead we trick them into electricuting themselves or throwing themselves into a plasma vent.

It'll be the most heart-warming game ever!