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[Dextro Milk]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Yeah I don't know why you'd say the Arc Pistol is more effective, I mean it's really not.

The Arc Projector is incredibly powerful against clusters of synthetic enemies - hey, kind of like the Reegar carbine - whereas the Arc Pistol's only real benefit is being able to charge it up for a single powerful shot... which is pointless if you're toting a Carnifex or Paladin that can do that with every shot and no charge time. And I'm not even getting into the grenade-launcher pistols like the Salarian Scorpion and Asari Acolyte.

Ammo capacity evens out the playing field, pal. Arc Pistol is just as effective, if not more depending on who is using it.

[HellbirdIV]

Dextro Milk wrote...
Ammo capacity

<Rate of fire.

If you've got a krogan barrelin' towards you, you're gonna want a Carnifex at your side to take him down fast, not a gun that you have to wait for.

[Ledgend1221]

Dextro Milk wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Badass?
No, thing is ugly.

Something called an opinion, hurrr durr dee durr...

Effective? Just another heavy pistol and can't jump to other targets.

It is one of the best pistols in the game, fyi.

And it's still based on Human technology.

So what? Xen took a huge weapon and turned it into a pistol sized death stick.

Opinions are overrated.
Eagle, Talon, Acolyte, Executioner are better.
One of the best isn't good enough when we're trying to argue most advanced.
The bloodpack did the same thing with the Executioner. I suppose they're one of the most advanced weapon manufacturers?

[Ledgend1221]

StreetMagic wrote...

No comment on the M7 then? Seriously, it's the most advanced weapon. Conrad Verner was on to something.

Gameplay disagrees.
Thermal clips are far more effective then recharge weapons.
Lore? I don't know, get me a recharge weapon.

[Dextro Milk]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...
Ammo capacity

<Rate of fire.

If you've got a krogan barrelin' towards you, you're gonna want a Carnifex at your side to take him down fast, not a gun that you have to wait for.

No, the ROF on the other heavy pistols is not as good as you claim, it takes around the same time to charge up the pistol. I'm done arguing with you on this. Go troll some mirindumancers

[Ledgend1221]

Dextro Milk wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...
Ammo capacity

<Rate of fire.

If you've got a krogan barrelin' towards you, you're gonna want a Carnifex at your side to take him down fast, not a gun that you have to wait for.

No, the ROF on the other heavy pistols is not as good as you claim, it takes around the same time to charge up the pistol. I'm done arguing with you on this. Go troll some mirindumancers

If you think he's trolling, what does that say about you?

[HellbirdIV]

StreetMagic wrote...

Carnifex is the only thing Shep trusts to take down Maurader Shields. Settle for nothing but the best.

I don't mind the Paladin, myself. Better power with a smaller clip. Well worth it if you know how to make your shots count. Same reason I use the Javelin rather than the Black Widow.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You just changed your argument. You just moved the goal posts. And you're making both a continuum fallacy and an equivocation fallacy. You're disregarding my argument due to imprecise wording, and you're using an equivocation over the dubious meaning of the word that you are using in question. 

Are you going to argue with me, or do I win by default?

If you disagree with me, state your opinion. I won't judge you for it. I'll challenge you, but I won't judge you.

Umm, no, lol, are you daft? Haha.

I said, Tech Savvy, very first thing. Tech Savvy =/= Most advanced race

I could be the best with computers, yet have some of the most outdated gear. Akin to quarians and having to use 300 year old ships.

I reiterate my argument. You're continuing to make an equivocation fallacy (look it up) and a continuum fallacy (look it up).

Add the ad hominem to the list. You're arguing from ignorance now by denying an argument exists and assuming the coin that you're right.

[Sir DeLoria]

Fyi: the Arc Projector is based on Geth tech, which is based on Quarian tech.

Let's not forget, that all Geth tech was initially Quarian. Shala mentions, that Geth tech is still very similar to its Quarian origin in her E-mail to Shepard.

Modifié par Necanor, 17 juillet 2013 - 06:15 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

No comment on the M7 then? Seriously, it's the most advanced weapon. Conrad Verner was on to something.

Gameplay disagrees.
Thermal clips are far more effective then recharge weapons.
Lore? I don't know, get me a recharge weapon.

Did you even play ME1? Recharge weapons were awesome.

[Ledgend1221]

Necanor wrote...

Fyi: the Arc Projector is based on Geth tech, which is based on Quarian tech.

Let's not forget, that all Geth tech was initially Quarian. Shala mentions, that Geth tech is still very similar to its Quarian origin in her E-mail to Shepard.

No.
The Javelin was based on reaper designs.
The GPS and GPR are unique.
The Geth have surpassed quarian design.

[DeinonSlayer]

I had issues with the Geth going into this conflict. Rather than iron them out, the arc did its level best to ignore them. Even if I trusted the Geth (I don't), we're given no reason to trust the Reaper code beyond the bland reassurances of a figure who spends the entire arc lying to us.

I'm not blind to the value of the Geth fleet. Far from it. They're smaller (for me) on account of having blown up the heretics, and their logistical utility is limited, but their combat capabilities are an asset I want.

After what happened with the Reaper IFF, though? Metagaming aside, I'd trust that Reaper code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station. It seized control of the entire Geth collective when they accepted it. This reaper is dead - who's to say the next one they encounter won't seize control again and turn their entire fleet against us? Yes, it helps them overcome Xen's countermeasure, but even with the Reaper upgrades, they can still be subverted with a halfway-decent omnitool.

I really, really wish it were possible to achieve peace without Reaper code. That would be the ideal outcome.

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I had issues with the Geth going into this conflict. Rather than iron them out, the arc did its level best to ignore them. Even if I trusted the Geth (I don't), we're given no reason to trust the Reaper code beyond the bland reassurances of a figure who spends the entire arc lying to us.

I'm not blind to the value of the Geth fleet. Far from it. They're smaller (for me) on account of having blown up the heretics, and their logistical utility is limited, but their combat capabilities are an asset I want.

After what happened with the Reaper IFF, though? Metagaming aside, I'd trust that Reaper code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station. It seized control of the entire Geth collective when they accepted it. This reaper is dead - who's to say the next one they encounter won't seize control again and turn their entire fleet against us? Yes, it helps them overcome Xen's countermeasure, but even with the Reaper upgrades, they can still be subverted with a halfway-decent omnitool.

I really, really wish it were possible to achieve peace without Reaper code. That would be the ideal outcome.

Unfortunately it does not set up synthesis nearly as well.

[Steelcan]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I had issues with the Geth going into this conflict. Rather than iron them out, the arc did its level best to ignore them. Even if I trusted the Geth (I don't), we're given no reason to trust the Reaper code beyond the bland reassurances of a figure who spends the entire arc lying to us.

I'm not blind to the value of the Geth fleet. Far from it. They're smaller (for me) on account of having blown up the heretics, and their logistical utility is limited, but their combat capabilities are an asset I want.

After what happened with the Reaper IFF, though? Metagaming aside, I'd trust that Reaper code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station. It seized control of the entire Geth collective when they accepted it. This reaper is dead - who's to say the next one they encounter won't seize control again and turn their entire fleet against us? Yes, it helps them overcome Xen's countermeasure, but even with the Reaper upgrades, they can still be subverted with a halfway-decent omnitool.

I really, really wish it were possible to achieve peace without Reaper code. That would be the ideal outcome.

Unfortunately it does not set up synthesis nearly as well.

Actually it does, Synthetics need magic computer code/organic essence to become real boys. 

Learning and understanding one another are for losers.

No reaper code solution doesn't set up synthesis is what I said.

[FlyingSquirrel]

All of my Shepards who *could* achieve peace did so.

Catherine, my "tragic Paragon" who had lost Tali's loyalty in the trial and saved the civilians instead of Koris, chose the geth, due to her natural affinity for underdogs (she's Earthborn) and her perception that the quarians were responsible for reigniting the conflict and bore their share of the blame for the Morning War.

Sarah, my confused Renegon who was starting to rediscover her Paragon side, still went with the quarians (she'd lost Tali on the Collector Base), partly because I just tended to use her to see some of the more Renegade-ish content that I don't normally choose. She actually let Legion start the upload but then stopped him when neither side could be talked down.

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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Too much formatting problems. Forget it.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 17 juillet 2013 - 10:17 .

[Jukaga]

For my personal canon Renegade sheps sell the Geth Assassin to Cerberus for research purposes, so they have no choice but to destroy the Geth VI. My Paragon Sheps befriend Legion and promote peace between the Geth and the Quarians. I can't see anyone choosing the Geth only, seems like a troll option to me.

[Trentest0]

I can sum it up simply.

I picked peace because it was just there/it is better and picking a worse option would be daft.

However, I strongly believe that we should have been FORCED to pick a side. Otherwise its not much of a choice and consequence game.

[Baal Sagoth]

I forced peace.

1. After everything I've learned about Geth I decided that they deserve to have future and right to live.
2. It is better to have two allied fleets fighting against Reapers than one fleet.
3. At that point I didn't know that all this peace stuff is just a scheme to make me fell bad for destroying Reapers...

[KaiserShep]

Pity to waste a good resource for the war effort.