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[Dextro Milk]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...
a simple radio message from Shepard letting
them know the geth were getting the code again, could have saved them.

Except Shepard DOES tell the quarians to back off. Han'Garrel ignores both her and Tali, demanding that the quarians keep shooting.

Watch the scene again, Shepard says nothing to the quarians if you allow them to die.

And Tali says nothing of the code because "Shepard must make every outcome"... Hurray for choices making characters like Tali look bad... <_<

[Dextro Milk]

StreetMagic wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

What? What are you talking about? It is a figure of speech "I won't hold you back", aka, make what I would call a stupid choice, I won't stop you. Obviously I can't hold them back nor do they need my persmission... 

I know you know that, but I'm still going to screw with you for it. Your original comment was a little bossy, and proclaimed a "right" way of doing things (Peace). But this is a roleplaying game. Not pinball. There's no high score or necessarily "bad" way of doing something. There isn't even a defacto "FailShep", so long as you finish the game. Unlike other games, you can always finish it. It's just various shades of story progression.

How is peace not the best outcome? 

And I disagree, there are plenty of "fail" moves for Shepard to make. I could name them, but it would be off topic.

[Dextro Milk]

StreetMagic wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

How is peace not the best outcome? 

For me, when the Geth go invasive to kick the Quarian immune systems into gear, I find it a troubling precedent. Just like I find Synthesis troubling.

Also, they're not even Geth as I used to know them anyways. They're rewritten with that diarrhea colored Reaper code. Which I want to completely eradicate. And I will eventually anyways, if I choose Destroy (or so I'm led to believe). Might as well get it over with.

Fair enough, though people that kill off 17 million innocent people simply because their leaders made some bad calls, get little love from me.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Dextro Milk wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

My Shepard didn't "freeze" under pressure. She acted quickly and was not a failure. She told Legion "I can't let you upload the code" then shot him three times. It is all explained in my last post. It doesn't matter in the end. You still get the same three crappy choices in the end of the game, except now you can destroy the reapers without having "considerations". Aria T'loak fills in the missing war assets from Omega.

That post was directed more towards people that let the quarians die, considering a simple radio message from Shepard letting them know the geth were getting the code again, could have saved them.

Got it. If it weren't for the crappy endings I'd make peace TBH. 

In fairness, though, some people tried to make peace with Geth VI running the show. It is impossible unless you use a gibbed file. Then the choice goes to either/or.

Quite honestly the entire scenario was very poorly written and shows the limitations of story telling through video games. They didn't want a "Tali takes out Legion/Geth VI with her shotgun followed by and argument between Tali and Shepard possibly ending in a Quicktime 'High Noon' shoot out between the two" that could have ended up with either Tali dead or if this was done intensely enough and correctly Shepard could have been shot, or they could have both stood down. But Tali would stay on Rannoch and not go to the Normandy.

This should have taken place after Tali couldn't get the fleet to stand down, and Shepard wouldn't tell talk to the fleet. Tali goes gangsta. You know Ash would have. ha ha.

They left way too much power in Shepard's hands in this situation.

[Dextro Milk]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

They left way too much power in Shepard's hands in this situation.

Agreed, not to mention it makes other characters look stupid... Ugh...

[Steelcan]

Killed the geth, no regrets.

[HellbirdIV]

StreetMagic wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

How is peace not the best outcome? 

For me, when the Geth go invasive to kick the Quarian immune systems into gear, I find it a troubling precedent. Just like I find Synthesis troubling.

The geth are helping the quarians by the quarians' own choice though. I find Synthesis repugnant because it forces cybernetic enhancements on everyone - the quarians were already augmented, the geth are just smoothing out the bumps in the software.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 16 juillet 2013 - 06:06 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Dextro Milk wrote...
]How is peace not the best outcome? 

And I disagree, there are plenty of "fail" moves for Shepard to make. I could name them, but it would be off topic.

Dextro, bro, I'm sorry but this is the only time I disagree with you. The Geth pay for what they did:mellow:

[Anubis722]

Dextro Milk wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

They left way too much power in Shepard's hands in this situation.

Agreed, not to mention it makes other characters look stupid... Ugh...

agreed 

[Dextro Milk]

Necanor wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...
]How is peace not the best outcome? 

And I disagree, there are plenty of "fail" moves for Shepard to make. I could name them, but it would be off topic.

Dextro, bro, I'm sorry but this is the only time I disagree with you. The Geth pay for what they did:mellow:

In my headcanon, the Geth were going to be forced to leave Rannoch, though that never happens because of the heavenly red wave... 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Dextro Milk wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

They left way too much power in Shepard's hands in this situation.

Agreed, not to mention it makes other characters look stupid... Ugh...

I think that would have been a cool scene, though. They want a "mature" video game? They should make one. Tali is going to be loyal to her people, and as passive-aggressive as she normally is, that pent up anger would all come out in an explosion at this point. She's a "fear-biter" and now she's afraid, so she's going to bite. It would not be out of character.

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Part of the reason I pick it.  One of the few times the dialogue perfectly reflected my Shep's personality in ME3. 

As for the morning war both sides were douchebags. I simply sympathize more with the Geth because they were essentially children and their first lesson was kill or be killed in a ridculous manner. It makes sense (sadly) that they'd react to the systematic slaughter of all of them with the same to the Quarians. It became a Us vs Them scenario. But that's not why I side with the geth in ME3. Nope. IT's because the Quarians AFTER MY SHEP WARNED THEM THE REAPERS WERE COMING decided to start **** with the Geth with the Reapers speeding towards everyone. My Shep was done with the Quarians at that point. Tired of bull****, tired of saving their asses from the consequences of their own stupidty, tired, tired, tired. 

I found Han'Gerrel's position in ME2 far more sympathetic than in ME3.  He brings up a very good question:  Whenthe war comes, where are they going to put their civilians?  Doesn't help that the COuncil was such a douche to the quarians and wouldn't let them colonize any dextro worlds in their area.  And in the end, they were tired of wandering, pating for their anscestors' actions.

Then ME3 happened, and he took his stupid pills.  Now he's a cariacture of his former self.

[Sir DeLoria]

Dextro Milk wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...
]How is peace not the best outcome? 

And I disagree, there are plenty of "fail" moves for Shepard to make. I could name them, but it would be off topic.

Dextro, bro, I'm sorry but this is the only time I disagree with you. The Geth pay for what they did:mellow:

In my headcanon, the Geth were going to be forced to leave Rannoch, though that never happens because of the heavenly red wave... 

:lol:i approve.

[Steelcan]

I seriously dont understand why people are so sympathetic to the geth. On a good day they will ignore you, most other days they'd kill you without hesitation or warning. They did nothing to stop the heretics and refused contact with the rest of the galaxy. Then the quarians finally have a way to take back their homeworld and offer you the largest fleet in the galaxy for helping them wipe out the geth, who then decide to join the Reapers. And without the code upgrades, the geth would have likely been hacked anyways.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Even with their code upgrades they are not immune to hacking..... that source never made it into the game but is on the game disk.

[Iakus]

Steelcan wrote...

I seriously dont understand why people are so sympathetic to the geth. On a good day they will ignore you, most other days they'd kill you without hesitation or warning. They did nothing to stop the heretics and refused contact with the rest of the galaxy. Then the quarians finally have a way to take back their homeworld and offer you the largest fleet in the galaxy for helping them wipe out the geth, who then decide to join the Reapers. And without the code upgrades, the geth would have likely been hacked anyways.

1) Actually the geth will ignore you most days as long as you leave them alone.  Like they had for the last 300 years. (barring the Heretics)

2) The quarian's fleet was, as Joker put it "school buses with rocket launchers strapped to them.  THey were ships centuries old, some of them from the original flotilla.  What was left was other races' cast-offs.  The plan for their fleet fleet was to be used as troop transports, not combat vessels, remember.

3) The geth joined the Reapers as a last-ditch effort to survive.  In the end, they decided submission was preferable to extinction.  A ssentiment I disagree with, can can understand the appeal.  Especially if you've been made stupid by so many casualties

4) We don't know what would have happened without the code upgrades.  But I'm not going to wipe out a species because "maybe".  That's what the Reapers do.

[HellbirdIV]

iakus wrote...

4) We don't know what would have happened without the code upgrades.  But I'm not going to wipe out a species because "maybe".  That's what the Reapers do.

*high-fives*

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

I seriously dont understand why people are so sympathetic to the geth. On a good day they will ignore you, most other days they'd kill you without hesitation or warning. They did nothing to stop the heretics and refused contact with the rest of the galaxy. Then the quarians finally have a way to take back their homeworld and offer you the largest fleet in the galaxy for helping them wipe out the geth, who then decide to join the Reapers. And without the code upgrades, the geth would have likely been hacked anyways.

This. This so much.

[Steelcan]

HellbirdIV wrote...

iakus wrote...

4) We don't know what would have happened without the code upgrades.  But I'm not going to wipe out a species because "maybe".  That's what the Reapers do.

*high-fives*

.  The Reapers would be idiots not to enslave the geth.

Modifié par Steelcan, 16 juillet 2013 - 06:46 .

[Steelcan]

@Iakus, or if you go near their territory.

Read the codex description on the Heavy Fleet

"No matter the cause they are with the Reapers"