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[shingara]

stonbw1 wrote...

shingara wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I doubt there is going to be a save import feature in Mass Effect 4.

At least not from previous games.

 Id be happy with an import into a new era just to have sophie and the fish.

You know, I hope the connection with ME 1-3 is de minimis.  I'm happy leaving my ME1-3 experience as a great memory and start something fresh.  Granted, I'd be excited to see a familiar face or planet in ME5 and beyond, but not every 3 hours of gameplay.    If I get more than one or two instances of familiarity in ME4, I'll be unhappy and will know its just a franchise play.

 Nothing would force you to use an import would it though ?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

But yanik didn't say mass effect NG was the best place to start, for starters. He said it would be friendly to both old and new fans, big freaking difference there. We are not talking about the best place to start for new players, that doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. Stop dragging up old things that this person didn't say or do like some vindictive **** and discuss the actual topic at hand for a change.

I am talking about the ME3 marketing and how it shows that scepticism is valid.
I think that is pretty much on topic, is it not?



And could you please not freak out like I just killed your pet, yes?

Getting real sick of people constantly bringing up stuff that have absolutly nothing to do with the discussion just becuase it got them mad. Yanick didn't say that the game was the best place for new players to start, so why pretend like he did and berate him for comments he didn't make?

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 23 juillet 2013 - 08:16 .

[Ajensis]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
(...) Stop dragging up old things that this person didn't say or do like some vindictive **** and discuss the actual topic at hand for a change.

There is no real topic to discuss here, though. Yanick replies to someone asking about a Genesis-like implementation, an article inserts the word 'appeal' on its own and suddenly everyone is talking about Bioware's marketing strategies

Neofelis Nebulosa and some of the others make some good points, though, even if they're better suited for a different thread. It would just be nice without the knee-jerk reactions from so many people. Don't blame anyone for being skeptic, but there's a lot of negativity that seems to come out automatically, no matter what's actually being said (especially evident here). Let's judge the next ME fairly. I'm not about to forget the disappointments of ME3, but harsh, unfounded criticism is just a bit tiring.

[Femlob]

Next Mass Effect will appeal to longtime fans

Hahahaha.

No.

[AlanC9]

You sure? It's got a reasonable chance of appealing to me, unless it's IT or a reboot.

[Femlob]

You sure?

Positive.

[KotorEffect3]

Femlob wrote...

Next Mass Effect will appeal to longtime fans

Hahahaha.

No.

Speak for yourself,  I've been a fan of the series since the early days of ME 1, and I actually prefer the newer stuff in the sequels so sue me.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I believe that would be pessimism.

And it sounds unreasonable to expect them to say anything other than that old and new players will like it, in fact that sounds like a perfectly reasonable middle ground stance.

So unless people want bioware to say the new games aren't for new players, which sounds like suicide and false information to me, or that the they don't want old players, which sounds equally ridiculous, what exactly is it people want them to say?

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 23 juillet 2013 - 09:07 .

[Femlob]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So unless people want bioware to say the new games aren't for new players, which sounds like suicide and false information to me, or that the they don't want old players, which sounds equally ridiculous, what exactly is it people want them to say?

Nothing.

[JamesFaith]

Femlob wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So unless people want bioware to say the new games aren't for new players, which sounds like suicide and false information to me, or that the they don't want old players, which sounds equally ridiculous, what exactly is it people want them to say?

Nothing.

And people would complain about silence.

[Synergizer]

Just once I would like to see a post like "Bioware: Next Mass Effect will not appeal to long-time fans because they hurt our feelings"

Anyway, "Mass Effect: A Good Day to Blasto!" will be a fresh story and probably carry-over very little from the Mass Effect Reaper Trilogy.

[fchopin]

I think it should be obvious to all now that Sheparts story is finished so the new mass effect game will be a different game and bioware will have to look at it as a new game in a similar mass effect universe and try to sell it to the fans again.

[Tonymac]

I am a bit leery concerning Bioware. I recall a lot of hype, promisses of greatness and multiple varied endings that were radically different and that we were going to love ME3 and its ending.

Shepard did not get a fond farewell. I did not see the promisses Bioware made fulfilled. More aptly put, I was lied to - repeatedly.

Whatever they do, they need to recapture the magic. I hope they can do it, but I have my doubts. After seeing ME3, the horrible writing, starchild, those insanely stoopid endings..... I doubt they have what it takes. I didn't even get a bossfight! They didn;t even get the fundamentals right.

I think they need to clean slate the whole franchise.

[RaduM]

Tonymac wrote...

I am a bit leery concerning Bioware. I recall a lot of hype, promisses of greatness and multiple varied endings that were radically different and that we were going to love ME3 and its ending.

Shepard did not get a fond farewell. I did not see the promisses Bioware made fulfilled. More aptly put, I was lied to - repeatedly.

Whatever they do, they need to recapture the magic. I hope they can do it, but I have my doubts. After seeing ME3, the horrible writing, starchild, those insanely stoopid endings..... I doubt they have what it takes. I didn't even get a bossfight! They didn;t even get the fundamentals right.

I think they need to clean slate the whole franchise.

Well put. Hype-wise, Bioware promised the Moon and the stars.

And they also seem to forget that many things were forgiven about the Mass Effect 1->2 imports because people thought they would reach fruition in Mass Effect 3.

For example, Saving/Sacrificing the Council? A simple scene in ME2? No impact in ME3?
Anderson vs Udina ? No real difference in ME2. Invalidated in ME3.

Now, I am not unsympathetic.

What Bioware does with the save game imports, it's truly unique. How many other games carry over saves like this?

It's difficult enough to make a AAA game, what save game imports mean, from a developer POV, is actually more content (if your decisions means that either cutscene A or B plays, the developer still has to *create* both cutscenes).

It's very hard to justify to a publisher how this whole "create content that the player may never see" thing works.

So I feel for Bioware.

However, Bioware also breached the trust created with the very people that keep them in business. They hyped ME3 to levels that they could not reach (but still might have wanted to. Anybody remember the unused Geth Prime dialogue that suggested Geth Primes could fight side-by-side with Shepard on Earth?)

And the way they handled it, instead of coming forward and saying "we needed more Vespene Gas", instead they player the whole horse manure "artistic integrity" card.

That is just spineless.

So yes, I am also leery. Aware they can do great things, but that they seem to have no spine... no problem hyping things up to such a level one could call them lies (Mr Hudson, how did that quote go "No A,B,C endings"? What do you call the choices presented by the Catalyst?)

[Tonymac]

RaduM wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

I am a bit leery concerning Bioware. I recall a lot of hype, promisses of greatness and multiple varied endings that were radically different and that we were going to love ME3 and its ending.

Shepard did not get a fond farewell. I did not see the promisses Bioware made fulfilled. More aptly put, I was lied to - repeatedly.

Whatever they do, they need to recapture the magic. I hope they can do it, but I have my doubts. After seeing ME3, the horrible writing, starchild, those insanely stoopid endings..... I doubt they have what it takes. I didn't even get a bossfight! They didn;t even get the fundamentals right.

I think they need to clean slate the whole franchise.

Well put. Hype-wise, Bioware promised the Moon and the stars.

And they also seem to forget that many things were forgiven about the Mass Effect 1->2 imports because people thought they would reach fruition in Mass Effect 3.

For example, Saving/Sacrificing the Council? A simple scene in ME2? No impact in ME3?
Anderson vs Udina ? No real difference in ME2. Invalidated in ME3.

Now, I am not unsympathetic.

What Bioware does with the save game imports, it's truly unique. How many other games carry over saves like this?

It's difficult enough to make a AAA game, what save game imports mean, from a developer POV, is actually more content (if your decisions means that either cutscene A or B plays, the developer still has to *create* both cutscenes).

It's very hard to justify to a publisher how this whole "create content that the player may never see" thing works.

So I feel for Bioware.

However, Bioware also breached the trust created with the very people that keep them in business. They hyped ME3 to levels that they could not reach (but still might have wanted to. Anybody remember the unused Geth Prime dialogue that suggested Geth Primes could fight side-by-side with Shepard on Earth?)

And the way they handled it, instead of coming forward and saying "we needed more Vespene Gas", instead they player the whole horse manure "artistic integrity" card.

That is just spineless.

So yes, I am also leery. Aware they can do great things, but that they seem to have no spine... no problem hyping things up to such a level one could call them lies (Mr Hudson, how did that quote go "No A,B,C endings"? What do you call the choices presented by the Catalyst?)

They took on a monumental task with ME3.  No doubt.  They actually did pretty freaking good with a lot of the storyline.  Some of the intro / beginning sucked hard - none of that was thought out.  You can tell from the dumb dialogue it was not completed until the end.  Sitting in front of a comittee that just sits there as the world gets attacked by Reapers - and they ask the 'expert' what do we do?  SO dumb.  Just Effing stoopid. 

The endings were trash, of course.  Mac and Casey should apply for jobs more in line with their performance levels and professional abilities - something to do with housekeeping or painting dumpsters.  They didn't even try to make anything fun, it was all doom and gloom  and Space Jesus and a brand new bad guy to the series in the last 11 minutes of the game.  I can't even come up with words to describe how let down I was by this utter garbage.

The ME3 team has talent.  What is obvious to me is that they lack leadership.  The writing was terrible.  I blame the leads.  I see no good creativity, no good direction.  I see a garbage crucible that one minute created unimagineable energy, and the next it needs to use Reaper tech.  The whole plot was a lame duck.  

If Bioware wants to make a new game, they need to go back to the basics.   Hire some good, creative lead writers.  Don't hype lies.  And FFS tell Mac to take his antidepressants.  Try writing a story that we can choose a good or a bad ending.  Don't just make it Red = bad, Green = really freaking bad, and blue = wtf did you just do to your brain.  

[shingara]

Well ive just gone through the tweets from anyone in bioware related to ME4 and im starting to think im just not going to buy ME4 and just wait for them todo a new mass effect not some extention of the previous app games they have done.

Personally if we dont have shep i dont wanna play as garrus or grunt. I especially know i dont wanna play the illusive man cos there is absoulty no future in it, I know no matter what i did that i would end up dead and whats the fun in that.

Personally i would love to tell bioware if they wanna make some games where we do stints as crew members make them mini games not the start of a whole new franchise. And ME4 needs tobe something great and not a rehash of old cannon to even stand toe to toe with the trilogy never mind take us onto the next evolutionary stage of the mass effect universe.

I sorta feel like they are just going after a quick buck on sentiments of what we have within the old crew and past history that we know all to well about then boldy creating a fresh story they can stand back from and go 'you know what, we are proud of that'.

[Fraq Hound]

With Shepard's story being over and them starting a new Generation of Mass Effect games, this is actually a great time for them to target new customers.

Especially since a large number of their existing customers are still super pissed about how they handled ME3.

Huzzah!

Modifié par Fraq Hound, 25 juillet 2013 - 03:10 .

[JonathonPR]

Maybe it will be a turn based isometric rpg like the new Shadowrun crpg.

[Inside_Joke]

Didn't they say that about the last game ...?

Modifié par Inside_Joke, 26 juillet 2013 - 03:55 .

[Ghost Lightning]

Inside_Joke wrote...

Didn't they say that about the last game ...?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Best place for new players =/= A good game for new and old fans.

At least to me it doesn't. If it does to than, than I guess that's your prerogative than.