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[TheInquisitor]

At the end of Dragon Age 2 we were informed that Hawke has disappeared 'just like the Warden' and Leliana states that this is 'no coincidence'.  This gave me the vibe that they are connected in some way. 

One way I can think of is Flemeth. Do you think she has caused their disappearance?

Or have they both disappeared for different reasons? 

Depending on your character, The Warden may still be with Morrigan - But what does that mean now with Morrigan returning? And Hawke had left with whoever his/her LI was, what does this mean for the LI as well?

Could they be dead?

 I feel like there are too many questions left unanswered with this particular story.

So yeah, both of our characters have disappeared and we were left with unresolved issues concerning this at the end of DA2. So I would really like some closure on our characters as I don't like to be left 'wondering' what happened to them as I am now with Shepard in Mass Effect, but that's a different story.

So how could this be approached in Inquisition?

A cool idea would be for The Inquisitor to investigate this with both Cassandra and Leliana as that seemed to be where they were headed after the end of DA2. This could lead to an appearance by The Warden and Hawke [If they are alive].

So how would you like this particular part of the plot could be approached in Inquisition?

Modifié par TristanHawke, 16 juillet 2013 - 03:05 .

[Ziggeh]

I assumed that the "coincidence" was a reference, a knowing nod from the writers - that you're the coincidence.

They could turn it into a big mystery, but "finding" the Warden would be problematic, so I suspect it's more likely that the Inquisitor will disappear as well and it will just be self referential. There's always a man, always a lighthouse, always a city.

[Secretlyapotato]

Leliana is just being dramatic. It's totally a coincidence ;D

Honestly I haven't though about it much, I just expect them to be dead.

[TheInquisitor]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Leliana is just being dramatic. It's totally a coincidence ;D

Honestly I haven't though about it much, I just expect them to be dead.

But why would Bioware just kill our characters off? Wouldn't that be in bad taste?

[wright1978]

Obviously their fate needs to be addressed as they were bundled into the narrative of recent events by their disappearance at the end of DA2. I certainly wouldn't want them killed off but equally i highly doubt there is a way they can physically appear in the story.
I'd be happy for the whole disappearance to turn out to be misinformation & we hear of them re-appearing elsewhere fighting the good fight.

[TheInquisitor]

wright1978 wrote...

Obviously their fate needs to be addressed as they were bundled into the narrative of recent events by their disappearance at the end of DA2. I certainly wouldn't want them killed off but equally i highly doubt there is a way they can physically appear in the story.
I'd be happy for the whole disappearance to turn out to be misinformation & we hear of them re-appearing elsewhere fighting the good fight.

You could have Hawke appear with a helmet or something on.

But I don't know how their appearances could be imported.

Modifié par TristanHawke, 16 juillet 2013 - 03:25 .

[dekkerd]

Hawke's situation can be addressed by dialogue, no need to appear or be heard.

The warden need not be referenced at all, but if so, same as above.

[Iakus]

TristanHawke wrote...

But why would Bioware just kill our characters off? Wouldn't that be in bad taste?

It would be, yeah.

But sadly, there's precedent now.

[Roujinx94]

Ziggeh wrote...

I assumed that the "coincidence" was a reference, a knowing nod from the writers - that you're the coincidence.

This, basically. Or at least that's what I assume.

"(Much of this is illegible)
Day 42: I begin to suspect that we are being manipulated, as if
by some unseen hand far above us. Always, I heard the sound of clicking.
Click-click. Click-click.


[...]" -- From a very chewed and moist book.

References to the player aside, I wouldn't expect any sort of closure for the warden and Hawke, at least not more than we already have. They'll likely be referenced in the future here and there but that's probably about it. I really wouldn't mind being proven wrong on this one though.

[Fuggyt]

IMHO, the disappearance of Hawke and the Warden does not need to be resolved at all. Their ultimate fates can be reliably left to my head canon. When I played those characters, I infused them with my own sense of their personalities and I'd be disgruntled to have those decisions undermined by somebody else's conception of their destiny. Bioware's writers need not impose on my imagination once the story is over. Do you care what happens to Odysseus after he kills Penelope's suitors? Does it matter what Frodo does in the Blessed Lands after he leaves Middle Earth? Resolution is overrated, closure is a chimera. There is little enough of either in real life.

[Star fury]

They can do the same thing they did to Revan in TORtanic.

Modifié par Star fury, 16 juillet 2013 - 03:34 .

[AresKeith]

If its done right sure

[BioFan (Official)]

I want this resolved. I feel that some great evil could of kidnapped warden and hawke, but them reappearing in-game would be both amazing and extremely controversial. Due to appearance changes, I feel that popping up a character creator b4 they come up would be best.

[Marakov7]

The way I take the disappearances (for my playthroughs):

Hawke disappeared because he was so fed up with the events that happened in Kirkwall he just wanted to get as far away from everything as he could - disappeared with Isabela.

My warden (Human Noble married to Anora) is spirited away by Morrigan (ended up DAO still in love with him) because she knows some major changes are coming and she wants to ensure his safety.

As mentioned, Leliana is reaching by implying that they may be connected. This scenario works well for me because both Hawke and the Warden can be possibly mentioned in DAI, but won't necessarily be showing up. Thus leaving DAI completely in the hands of the Inquisitor. These disappearances would, I think, give the writers a little more leeway without "needing" to deal with the previous two protaganists very much, if at all.

[TheInquisitor]

Fuggyt wrote...

IMHO, the disappearance of Hawke and the Warden does not need to be resolved at all. Their ultimate fates can be reliably left to my head canon. When I played those characters, I infused them with my own sense of their personalities and I'd be disgruntled to have those decisions undermined by somebody else's conception of their destiny. Bioware's writers need not impose on my imagination once the story is over. Do you care what happens to Odysseus after he kills Penelope's suitors? Does it matter what Frodo does in the Blessed Lands after he leaves Middle Earth? Resolution is overrated, closure is a chimera. There is little enough of either in real life.

But when we don't know if they are alive or dead, it is a different story.

[Iakus]

Star fury wrote...

They can do the same thing they did to Revan in TORtanic.

or The Exile

[Roujinx94]

Star fury wrote...

They can do the same thing they did to Revan in TORtanic.

Oh wow, thanks for reminding me.

A few years down the line we'll get a DA MMO and in one of the dungeons you'll fight Hawke (a sarcastic male mage) as a mid-boss and then the warden (a pragmatic male warrior human noble). They will be without helmets and you will be able to see their canon appearences. Needless to say, they will both be killed off by a group of nobodies and then forgotten.

[TheInquisitor]

Roujinx94 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

They can do the same thing they did to Revan in TORtanic.

Oh wow, thanks for reminding me.

A few years down the line we'll get a DA MMO and in one of the dungeons you'll fight Hawke (a sarcastic male mage) as a mid-boss and then the warden (a pragmatic male warrior human noble). They will be without helmets and you will be able to see their canon appearences. Needless to say, they will both be killed off by a group of nobodies and then forgotten.

That would kill my soul

[Star fury]

Roujinx94 wrote...
Oh wow, thanks for reminding me.

A few years down the line we'll get a DA MMO and in one of the dungeons you'll fight Hawke (a sarcastic male mage) as a mid-boss and then the warden (a pragmatic male warrior human noble). They will be without helmets and you will be able to see their canon appearences. Needless to say, they will both be killed off by a group of nobodies and then forgotten.

[garrusfan1]

well my main hawk is with isabela raiding qunari ships and using hawks magic and the combustion grenades to take their numbers down and become rich. and they are raiding slave ships and letting the slaves go but taking the money on board the ship and selling the ship. like the qunari we don't waste anything. I think hawk will come back in some way or even be mentioned but they will do something and I doubt they will come back

[garrusfan1]

Roujinx94 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

They can do the same thing they did to Revan in TORtanic.

Oh wow, thanks for reminding me.

A few years down the line we'll get a DA MMO and in one of the dungeons you'll fight Hawke (a sarcastic male mage) as a mid-boss and then the warden (a pragmatic male warrior human noble). They will be without helmets and you will be able to see their canon appearences. Needless to say, they will both be killed off by a group of nobodies and then forgotten.

I would lose my f***ing mind

[Patchwork]

Why does it need to be resolved?
I took Leliana's words as a nod and wink to the player "yep Hawke is going to disappear too never to be seen again just like your Warden."

For me the Warden's story is done they defeated the Blight, stopped or helped the Architect and Hawke did whatever. It's the consequences of their actions that needs to be shown rather than them themselves. Does Ferelden ally with the Empress with Anora, Anora/Alistair on the throne? Are the former mages and templars of Kirkwall's circle more or less militant due to Hawke's actions?

I can headcanon how my PCs lives turned out the last thing I want is another Revan/Exile situation where I'm told what happened, what they looked like and what their personalities are.

[TheInquisitor]

Ser Bard wrote...

Why does it need to be resolved?
I took Leliana's words as a nod and wink to the player "yep Hawke is going to disappear too never to be seen again just like your Warden."

For me the Warden's story is done they defeated the Blight, stopped or helped the Architect and Hawke did whatever. It's the consequences of their actions that needs to be shown rather than them themselves. Does Ferelden ally with the Empress with Anora, Anora/Alistair on the throne? Are the former mages and templars of Kirkwall's circle more or less militant due to Hawke's actions?

I can headcanon how my PCs lives turned out the last thing I want is another Revan/Exile situation where I'm told what happened, what they looked like and what their personalities are.

Well my headcannon for the Warden is that he was with Morrigan and his son, happy in the eluvian [wherever that may lead].

But now she's back that changes everything.

[JWvonGoethe]

If their disappearances are connected, I think it will be through eluvians rather than through Flemeth. If you didn't do Merrill's quests in DA2, that can be explained away by saying that Varric just 'left out a bit of the story.' We don't know what the Warden did at the end of Witch Hunt. Stabbing Morrigan (if that choice was made) would still allow the Warden to go into the eluvian afterwards.

[Roujinx94]

TristanHawke wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

Why does it need to be resolved?
I took Leliana's words as a nod and wink to the player "yep Hawke is going to disappear too never to be seen again just like your Warden."

For me the Warden's story is done they defeated the Blight, stopped or helped the Architect and Hawke did whatever. It's the consequences of their actions that needs to be shown rather than them themselves. Does Ferelden ally with the Empress with Anora, Anora/Alistair on the throne? Are the former mages and templars of Kirkwall's circle more or less militant due to Hawke's actions?

I can headcanon how my PCs lives turned out the last thing I want is another Revan/Exile situation where I'm told what happened, what they looked like and what their personalities are.

Well my headcannon for the Warden is that he was with Morrigan and his son, happy in the eluvian [wherever that may lead].

But now she's back that changes everything.

I'm in the same spot and this both worries me and gives me hope, it all depends on how they handle it. If Morrigan mentions the warden is back home training the kid while she's running some errands then that's already enough to make me happy, all it takes it one line of dialogue. On the other hand, she could also say he fell down a flight of stairs and broke his neck, which would also give me closure but not exactly the type I want.