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[Sir DeLoria]

Mr.House wrote...

Wow, so much hatred for a bunch of pixels.

No hate at all, I just think she's unnecessary in ME3. She should've been optional and have had far less plot armor.

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Exactly. Versus no matter what you do, Liara is your friend. You aren't capable of being mean to her or treating her like crap. You aren't able to dictate your relationship with her. Everyone else is different, except her. And she's arguably the one person who I want to do it to most.

That's a blatant lie.

How is it a blatant lie? Did I leave out one or two characters? Sorry. I should say squadmates then.

Garrus.

[Mr.House]

Necanor wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Wow, so much hatred for a bunch of pixels.

No hate at all, I just think she's unnecessary in ME3. She should've been optional and have had far less plot armor.

Saying a character who was in the last two games should be cut in the last because you don't like them is hatred.

[David7204]

Liara does not have 'plot armor.'

'Plot armor' is not 'Any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Exactly. Versus no matter what you do, Liara is your friend. You aren't capable of being mean to her or treating her like crap. You aren't able to dictate your relationship with her. Everyone else is different, except her. And she's arguably the one person who I want to do it to most.

That's a blatant lie.

.  Hahahahaha,  oh wait you were serious...

Let me laugh even harder  -Bender

I cant tell Liara to suck it up on Thessia but I can just about tgrow Joker off the ship.  I can kill Tali's entire species, but cant dare not let Liarainto my cabin.

[Sir DeLoria]

Mr.House wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Every new Bioware game had mandatory companions. Why am I forced to recruit Tali in ME1 (she's completely pointless)? Garrus or Jack in ME2? Dragon Age, Dragon Age2, Jade Empire....some companions were optional and some were mandatory.

Tali was the one who actually found out about Saren and the Reapers, without her, Saren would've succeded.

Without Liara, you would not have found the Conduit, at least Liara never stops being useful in ME, unliek Tali who is useful for one scene then forced onto you, no matter what.

I know, the entire Quarian race and the Geth are totally irrelevant.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Exactly. Versus no matter what you do, Liara is your friend. You aren't capable of being mean to her or treating her like crap. You aren't able to dictate your relationship with her. Everyone else is different, except her. And she's arguably the one person who I want to do it to most.

That's a blatant lie.

How is it a blatant lie? Did I leave out one or two characters? Sorry. I should say squadmates then.

Garrus.

I can still kill him in ME2 you know...

I have to be nice to Liara through all 3 games, and I have to have her live. The only time I can't let her live, I pretty much damn the galaxy.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

You can be antagonistic to EDI and Miranda and TIM. But guess what? Miranda still helps you and doesn't walk off the ship. EDI still follows orders and doesn't get Shepard killed. TIM still helps Shepard out. You don't get a completely new story just because you don't like them.

So you're going to have to come up with some justifiction for why Shepard allows her to be the Shadow Broker despite hating and distrusting her. And some reason for Liara saving the body despite hating Shepard treating her like crap. So good luck with that.

.  And none of them are forced to be your friend, Liara is.

[Mr.House]

Necanor wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Every new Bioware game had mandatory companions. Why am I forced to recruit Tali in ME1 (she's completely pointless)? Garrus or Jack in ME2? Dragon Age, Dragon Age2, Jade Empire....some companions were optional and some were mandatory.

Tali was the one who actually found out about Saren and the Reapers, without her, Saren would've succeded.

Without Liara, you would not have found the Conduit, at least Liara never stops being useful in ME, unliek Tali who is useful for one scene then forced onto you, no matter what.

I know, the entire Quarian race and the Geth are totally irrelevant.

Geth are relevent in ME, the quarians are not as they do nothing, except for one quarian for has evience in the most contrived manner ever.

[David7204]

All of this nonsense is completely irrelevant.

It makes no difference how small or large a role she plays. A storyteller is not obligated to make a character optional on the sole basis of them having small roles. Nor is the quality of a character determined by how important they are to the plot.

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 10:37 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Mr.House wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Wow, so much hatred for a bunch of pixels.

No hate at all, I just think she's unnecessary in ME3. She should've been optional and have had far less plot armor.

Saying a character who was in the last two games should be cut in the last because you don't like them is hatred.

No, it's bias and I admit that. Still, that doesn't change the fact, that Liara was forced onto the player and is essentially immortal(beam run aside).

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Exactly. Versus no matter what you do, Liara is your friend. You aren't capable of being mean to her or treating her like crap. You aren't able to dictate your relationship with her. Everyone else is different, except her. And she's arguably the one person who I want to do it to most.

That's a blatant lie.

How is it a blatant lie? Did I leave out one or two characters? Sorry. I should say squadmates then.

Garrus.

I can still kill him in ME2 you know...

I have to be nice to Liara through all 3 games, and I have to have her live. The only time I can't let her live, I pretty much damn the galaxy.

You don't have to be nice to Liara at all in ME1. Also yes oyu can kil lhim off in ME2, at teh very end. He is still a forced companion no matter what and guess what? Not everyone kills a character because they don't like them, more so when teh character is in fact better in the next game. Who wuodl have thought.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have 'plot armor.'

'Plot armor' is not 'Any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

YES she does.

She survives a bombing in LotSB because the plot demands it.

She survives the events of LotSB without Shepard's help because the plot demands her to live in ME3.

[Mr.House]

Necanor wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Wow, so much hatred for a bunch of pixels.

No hate at all, I just think she's unnecessary in ME3. She should've been optional and have had far less plot armor.

Saying a character who was in the last two games should be cut in the last because you don't like them is hatred.

No, it's bias and I admit that. Still, that doesn't change the fact, that Liara was forced onto the player and is essentially immortal(beam run aside).

Liara is not the only other character forced onto the player throughout all games.

[Mr.House]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have 'plot armor.'

'Plot armor' is not 'Any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

YES she does.

She survives a bombing in LotSB because the plot demands it.

She survives the events of LotSB without Shepard's help because the plot demands her to live in ME3.

By this logic, almost every squadmate then has plot armor since most of them survive hazards.

[Steelcan]

@Mr.House, you can treat he poorly, but she acts like you two are planning a wedding. She doesn't get the message, ever.

[Sir DeLoria]

Mr.House wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Wow, so much hatred for a bunch of pixels.

No hate at all, I just think she's unnecessary in ME3. She should've been optional and have had far less plot armor.

Saying a character who was in the last two games should be cut in the last because you don't like them is hatred.

No, it's bias and I admit that. Still, that doesn't change the fact, that Liara was forced onto the player and is essentially immortal(beam run aside).

Liara is not the only other character forced onto the player throughout all games.

Garrus can be killed, Tali can be killed, Ash&Kai can be killed, Miri can be killed. All of them in multiple different ways.

[David7204]

Liara survives a bombing in LotSB because she wasn't killed by the bomb. There's really nothing more to it.

Liars survives of events of LotSB because she knows how to fight and hired a bunch of mercs.

Neconor wrote...

Garrus can be killed, Tali can be killed, Ash&Kai can be killed, Miri can be killed. All of them in multiple different ways.

Yep. And?

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 10:41 .

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

@Mr.House, you can treat he poorly, but she acts like you two are planning a wedding. She doesn't get the message, ever.

In the next game yes, but not in the same game. Case to the point, you can treat Garrus, Tali and Liara liek garbage in ME, yet in ME2 they treat oyu like a good friend. You can do teh samething in ME2 and then in ME3 they still treat you like friends, the only diffrence is screwing over Tali in ME3 does in fact do something, yes with Garrus and Liara oyu are in a force friendship, but it's no diffrent with other characters.

[Steelcan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You can be antagonistic to EDI and Miranda and TIM. But guess what? Miranda still helps you and doesn't walk off the ship. EDI still follows orders and doesn't get Shepard killed. TIM still helps Shepard out. You don't get a completely new story just because you don't like them.

So you're going to have to come up with some justifiction for why Shepard allows her to be the Shadow Broker despite hating and distrusting her. And some reason for Liara saving the body despite hating Shepard treating her like crap. So good luck with that.

.  And none of them are forced to be your friend, Liara is.

Actually, EDI is both unkillable (until the ending) and forced to be your friend; even after I repeatedly expressed my belief that synthetics weren't "alive", upset her by destroying the geth, and generally tried to pick the least friendly dialogue options available, she still told my Shepard that she felt alive because of him.

.  That still is a bit of an antagonistic relationship.  Reminds me of Aveline's 100% rivalry dialogue.  Where she says Hawke always pushed her to be better.

[SlottsMachine]

AresKeith wrote...

Lets get back to other pressing matters, David go play DA:O