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[David7204]

You have absolutely no shred of evidence to prove or even indicate Liara was within the explosion. Zero.

[CronoDragoon]

spirosz wrote...

His skills.

His skills would have only kept him alive until the gunship at the latest. It's convenient that Shepard arrived right before they were sending it in. Plot armor by timing, if you will.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 21 juillet 2013 - 11:00 .

[Mr.House]

Necanor wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have any kind of plot armor. These complaints are ridiculous. There's no evidence at all proving Liara was in a position of certain death.

Bombs tend to kill people. Bombs, elite mercenary organizations and SPECTRES, kill more.  She should have died, she didnt, plot armor.

Garrus had three elite merc groups after him, he however survives just in time for Shepard to get there. What was keeping him alive? Plot armor.

But he can be killed later, Liara can't. Garrus has plot armor, but far less than Liara.

Garrus can die when his plot armor is no longer needed ala the suicide mission. I'm not arguing that Liara has no plot armor, she does. Liara, Joker and Hackett make everyone jelly with their plot armor which only get's taken off when there is no more use for them.

[SlottsMachine]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

This thread is turning into a parody of itself.

Its great isn't it?

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

You have absolutely no shred of evidence to prove or even indicate Liara was within the explosion. Zero.

.  That is the stupidest thing I have heard all day.  

"They just took out three floors to make sure she is dead"
"Did you find your friend's body"

[David7204]

General Slotts wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's not plot armor either. Liara does not have plot armor. Garrus does not have plot armor.

Could you give some examples of "plot armor" for which we can learn from, teacher?

Frankly, I very much dislike the term, and hesitate to use it myself.

Pirates of the Caribbean. The Kraken attack in the second film. Literally every member of the crew, (and there looks to be about 100 of them) is killed except the main characters, none of which are even injured.

[ShepnTali]

Irrational character hatred is strange.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Why am I FORCED to have Joker? Bioware must all be Seth Green fanboys.

Why am I FORCED to fly the Normandy? I want to use a bathtub with thrusters attached instead.

Why am I FORCED to recruit squadmates? I just want a sockpuppet and space hamster to follow me into battle.

Why am I FORCED to save the galaxy? Bioware are showing their pro-galaxy bias.

Why am I FORCED to play as a human? Humans are so overrated, I wish I could kill them all.

Argumentum ad inrideo. An appeal to ridicule. And an appeal to spite. Along with a general misinterpretation of the argument for choice in character interactions and consequences. Unless you were supporting us.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 21 juillet 2013 - 11:04 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's not plot armor either. Liara does not have plot armor. Garrus does not have plot armor.

Could you give some examples of "plot armor" for which we can learn from, teacher?

Frankly, I very much dislike the term, and hesitate to use it myself.

Pirates of the Caribbean. The Kraken attack in the second film. Literally every member of the crew, (and there looks to be about 100 of them) is killed except the main characters, none of which are even injured.

Their skills kept them alive, no? 

Modifié par spirosz, 21 juillet 2013 - 11:03 .

[SlottsMachine]

I feel like we are analyzing the Zapruder film.

Modifié par General Slotts, 21 juillet 2013 - 11:05 .

[David7204]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You have absolutely no shred of evidence to prove or even indicate Liara was within the explosion. Zero.

.  That is the stupidest thing I have heard all day.  

"They just took out three floors to make sure she is dead"
"Did you find your friend's body"

And it didn't work. Liara was somewhere else. A perfectly plausible and sensible explanation. All of the evidence points to it.

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's not plot armor either. Liara does not have plot armor. Garrus does not have plot armor.

Could you give some examples of "plot armor" for which we can learn from, teacher?

Frankly, I very much dislike the term, and hesitate to use it myself.

Pirates of the Caribbean. The Kraken attack in the second film. Literally every member of the crew, (and there looks to be about 100 of them) is killed except the main characters, none of which are even injured.

How is Liara survivng a bomb while everyone else died then not plot armor?

[AresKeith]

Why are people missing the big picture? :/

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...


Frankly, I very much dislike the term, and hesitate to use it myself.

Pirates of the Caribbean. The Kraken attack in the second film. Literally every member of the crew, (and there looks to be about 100 of them) is killed except the main characters, none of which are even injured.

Replace Kraken with bomb, crew with employees, and main charactets with Liara.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You have absolutely no shred of evidence to prove or even indicate Liara was within the explosion. Zero.

.  That is the stupidest thing I have heard all day.  

"They just took out three floors to make sure she is dead"
"Did you find your friend's body"

And it didn't work. Liara was somewhere else. A perfectly plausible and sensible explanation. All of the evidence points to it.

" Liara just singed in moments before the attack"

[Teddie Sage]

Uh... Please, let's leave out the spam and go back on the original thread... Shall we?

*feels like a little mouse*

[spirosz]

AresKeith wrote...

Why are people missing the big picture? :/

I heard you took a picture inside a picture that was on top of a picture. 

[David7204]

Mr.House wrote...

How is Liara survivng a bomb while everyone else died then not plot armor?

First of all, everyone else did not die. As I said, Shepard comes across a guy who was alive until he was shot. We see people on the ground, and of course the mercs all over the place.

Secondly, Liara is experienced and on alert. She has barriers and armor. She had just been attacked, and had every reason to suspect an ambush.

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 11:08 .

[Mr.House]

spirosz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Why are people missing the big picture? :/

I heard you took a picture inside a picture that was on top of a picture. 

Wait what.

[SlottsMachine]

David7204 wrote...

Frankly, I very much dislike the term, and hesitate to use it myself.

Pirates of the Caribbean. The Kraken attack in the second film. Literally every member of the crew, (and there looks to be about 100 of them) is killed except the main characters, none of which are even injured.

I do agree that the term is too vague to have any real significance other than personal opinion, and that goes for both sides.  

[Steelcan]

David, your denial of what is plainly seen is approaching Auld Wulf levels of ridiculousness.

[CronoDragoon]

Steelcan wrote...

"They just took out three floors to make sure she is dead"
"Did you find your friend's body"

The explosion - which was only 1/2 it's strength due to the other bomb being a dud - didn't even kill the damn salarian. Tela and her minion had to shoot him.

Moreover, it's never actually confirmed Liara is there. They blow up the building because they think she's meeting with the salarian, but it's never explicitly mentioned that she's there.

So, there's two good reasons for her being alive. Pick one.