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[The Heretic of Time]

Mr.House wrote...

I like how in that page Miranda with the seeker swarms is mentioned as plot armor but other extreme cases of plot armor are outright ignored. Page is bias I see.

That's because David edited the other cases out, he removed the entries for them.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
She wasnt even injured.  Plot armor covers injury as well as death.  Besides we dont know if Sekat was already wounded or not, he could have already been injured, likely, before being killed.

That Sekat was injured while Liara was not may just show that she is a biotic and can protect herself from the concussion of the blast while he can't. If Sekat is even injured. It's hard to respond to a hypothetical counterpoint that has no evidence one way or another.

More to the point, though: she cannot die in LotSB -- scrippted or through player-choice -- because the writers wanted her to become the Shadow Broker going into ME3, for better or for worse. Even if it's for the best, it's still plot-armor by definition.

[Mr.House]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I like how in that page Miranda with the seeker swarms is mentioned as plot armor but other extreme cases of plot armor are outright ignored. Page is bias I see.

That's because David edited the other cases out, he removed the entries for them.

They should ban his IP.

[The Heretic of Time]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

What's the problem with Liara having plot-armor? She's the best character in the game.

No she's not. I think she's one of the worst.

Wrong opinions aren't allowed here.

All you Liara/Tali/Ashley/Jack fans need to get out then.



IF YOU'RE NOT A MIRANDA FAN, OUT WITH YOU!!! 

<3

Pfffffff ****** on Miranda.

My Shepard romanced his right hand. Best waifu ever. Fact. True story.

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

What's the problem with Liara having plot-armor? She's the best character in the game.

No she's not. I think she's one of the worst.

Wrong opinions aren't allowed here.

All you Liara/Tali/Ashley/Jack fans need to get out then.



IF YOU'RE NOT A MIRANDA FAN, OUT WITH YOU!!! 

<3

Tali blows Miri out of teh water tbh, just look at dat avie to the left. 

[AresKeith]

Mr.House wrote...

Ashley still has fans after ME3?

She does, but what Bioware did was wrong

[Mr.House]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
She wasnt even injured.  Plot armor covers injury as well as death.  Besides we dont know if Sekat was already wounded or not, he could have already been injured, likely, before being killed.

That Sekat was injured while Liara was not may just show that she is a biotic and can protect herself from the concussion of the blast while he can't. If Sekat is even injured. It's hard to respond to a hypothetical counterpoint that has no evidence one way or another.

More to the point, though: she cannot die in LotSB -- scrippted or through player-choice -- because the writers wanted her to become the Shadow Broker going into ME3, for better or for worse. Even if it's for the best, it's still plot-armor by definition.

Come on, everyone knew they where not oging to make her killable in the dlc. Bioware already pissed off the Liara fans in ME2, making her killable in the dlc would have been throwing a cannonball at a child.

Modifié par Mr.House, 21 juillet 2013 - 11:40 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Best romance is no romance. Fact.

Quote if you agree.

[Gravisanimi]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Who says that? Aside from the Dextro factor, Quarians are far more similar to humans than to Turians. They look like humans, their society is similar to humans and their sexual dimorphism is identical to humans.

Is their society more similar to humans than turians? Humans are infamous for their extreme individuality, whereas both turian and quarian culture value tradition and group-first thinking above all else.

False, Western cultures value individuality. Several Eastern cultures are either group-think or turning into individualistic.

In fact, historically, humans have had group-think cultures since and before recorded history.

[DeinonSlayer]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Concerning Liara's plot shield, I think the impact of Thessia's aftermath would've been less dramatic without Liara or Samara in your team. Just my personal opinion.

Thessia is already a lesson in how not to force audience grief.

Thessia's whole mission was a rushed storyline event. They could've added so much more into it.

It'd be nice not to pretend that we're there to save the planet. The job was to get in, get what we needed, get out. Driving the Reapers off of the planet was so far out-of-scope it isn't even funny.

"Thessia fell, and that's on me!" and apologizing to Tevos are two of the most aggravating lines in the game. My spacebar gets a workout brushing past it.

Considering that Shepard may well have been directly responsible for the extinction of three different species by that point in the narrative without batting an eye at any of them, it's jarring to see (s)he finally takes responsibility/feels bad for/gets pissy about the only genocide in the narrative (s)he doesn't instigate.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 21 juillet 2013 - 11:42 .

[Teddie Sage]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Best romance is no romance. Fact.

Quote if you agree.

For Control and Synthesis endings, maybe. No strings attached.

For Destroy endings (good and bad outcomes), I think having a love interest adds more drama to them.

[Dextro Milk]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Pfffffff ****** on Miranda.

Can't say I'm into that particular fetish.

Yeah. I'm more of a milk guy myself tbh

[Seboist]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Best romance is no romance. Fact.

Quote if you agree.

True, I just go for bangs and LARP that Shepard is just using people for it.

Modifié par Seboist, 21 juillet 2013 - 11:46 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Best romance is no romance. Fact.

Quote if you agree.

For Control and Synthesis endings, maybe. No strings attached.

For Destroy endings (good and bad outcomes), I think having a love interest adds more drama to them.

Melodrama perhaps.

[The Heretic of Time]

Seboist wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Best romance is no romance. Fact.

Quote if you agree.

True, I just go for bangs and LARP that Shepard  is using people for sexytime.

You can actually do that to an extent in ME1 and ME2.


Still, NO ROMANCE AT ALL is still better. Shepard has a mission to focus on, there is no time for melodramatic bullcrap.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Mr.House wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...


More to the point, though: she cannot die in LotSB -- scrippted or through player-choice -- because the writers wanted her to become the Shadow Broker going into ME3, for better or for worse. Even if it's for the best, it's still plot-armor by definition.

Come on, everyone knew they where not oging to make her killable in the dlc. Bioware already pissed off the Liara fans in ME2, making her killable in the dlc would have been throwing a cannonball at a child.

So make it player-choice. Her fans can save her, and her non-fans can kill her. Everybody's happy! 

For the record, I'm not bothered by not being able to kill her nor do I particularly want to. Liara's plot-armor is just a side-effect of a bigger problem: her character's special treatment. Case in point: why does Liara get a DLC and not VS?

[o Ventus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Melodrama perhaps.

In what way?

[Teddie Sage]

LotSB could've been about VS and Liara joining Shepard to find the Shadow Broker. But I guess both Kaidan and Ashley's voice actors weren't available back then? Anyways, they were both busy with the colonies and all that stuff.

[Han Shot First]

Dextro Milk wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

What's the problem with Liara having plot-armor? She's the best character in the game.

No she's not. I think she's one of the worst.

Wrong opinions aren't allowed here.

All you Liara/Tali/Ashley/Jack fans need to get out then.



IF YOU'RE NOT A MIRANDA FAN, OUT WITH YOU!!! 

<3

Tali blows Miri out of teh water tbh, just look at dat avie to the left. 

I like where this thread is going...

On a more serious note the funny thing about people debating about what waifu was better written or acted, is that the things they are arguing about ultimately weren't major factors in their LI choice. Lets be honest: Even if all of the more popular LIs had been voiced by actors that gave Oscar-worthy performances and were penned by the world's best character writers, none of them would be popular if that was also paired with an unattractive character model.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 21 juillet 2013 - 11:54 .

[Han Shot First]

Teddie Sage wrote...

LotSB could've been about VS and Liara joining Shepard to find the Shadow Broker. But I guess both Kaidan and Ashley's voice actors weren't available back then? Anyways, they were both busy with the colonies and all that stuff.

I think Bioware got it right with making Liara the main focus of LotSB.

Where they stumbled was in not making Arrival a DLC where the Virmire Survivor played center stage. The solo mission was a bad idea in a game series where characters were always the main draw.

[o Ventus]

Han Shot First wrote...

On a more serious note the funny thing about people debating about what waifu was better written or acted, is that the things they are arguing about ultimately weren't major factors in their LI choice.

Don't be an armchair psychologist like David.

Lets be honest: If all of the more popular LIs had been voiced by actors that gave Oscar-worthy performances and were penned by the world's best character writers, none of them would be popular if that was also paired with an unattractive character model.

Thane, Tali, and Garrus.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Han Shot First wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

LotSB could've been about VS and Liara joining Shepard to find the Shadow Broker. But I guess both Kaidan and Ashley's voice actors weren't available back then? Anyways, they were both busy with the colonies and all that stuff.

I think Bioware got it right with making Liara the main focus of LotSB.

Where they stumbled was in not making Arrival a DLC where the Virmire Survivor played center stage. The solo mission was a bad idea in a game series where characters were always the main draw.

It probably would have ended with Ashley even more pissed off when I told her we were over, personally and professionally, by rejecting her via romance, and by rejecting her ideals and the alliance. Or possibly dead, if I could kill her.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 22 juillet 2013 - 12:03 .

[spirosz]

This is why we need romance thread back.