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[DuskWanderer]

o Ventus wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

The whole "I couldn't let you go..." aspect really cemented it.

Endearing as balls tbh.

Not when I all but ignored Liara in the first game, where the only meaningful interaction I had with her was telling her to deal with it after Benezia died.

I'd say that this comes more from the shoehorning of the plot that Liara is supposed to be your best friend, if not lover. But 100% agree

[Zazzerka]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Are balls endearing?

I don't even know why I used that. Could've used 'hell' or '****', but they're not all that endearing, either.

DuskWanderer wrote...

I'd say that this comes more from the shoehorning of the plot that Liara is supposed to be your best friend, if not lover. But 100% agree

Everyone becomes your friend, buddy. Even if you don't talk to them, guy.

You just can't kill this problem away.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 20 juillet 2013 - 02:26 .

[spirosz]

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Tali but i couldn't care less about romances

[Zazzerka]

Good point. I'll remember that the next time I try to express my undying love. Without mentioning testes.

[o Ventus]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Tali but i couldn't care less about romances

Which is why you just said Tali.

[Jadebaby]

I romanced Shepard.

And I would have to say that Allers is the worst possible romance, written, voiced, animated, and implemented character I have ever seen in any video-game, ever.

Even the Toasty Guy from Mortal Kombat had more credibility being there.

[Barquiel]

DuskWanderer wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

Chasing around my dead body, constantly harrassing me in ME3, sounds like a stalker to me. Or at least someone incredibly unhinged.

This is heavily skewed, and does not really meet the criteria for being a stalker. I guess a little thing like the Shadow Broker trying to acquire Shepard's body to sell to a race of aliens that turned out to be using human remains to create a reaper is no big deal. As for "constantly harrassing", I'm not sure what this is in reference to. If you don't romance the character and don't invite her up to your cabin to see her project, she only shows up at Shepard's cabin twice, the second time just to pass info on the Salarian councilor. Just about every other encounter, save Mars, requires you to actively participate. 

Yeah it does, chick constantly chases me around, showing up in my cabin, probing me for information. I've love to tell her to get lost if the game would actually me. 

The whole "I couldn't let you go..." aspect really cemented it. She's crazy, Conrad Verner-esque crazy, and the way she keeps tabs on my other potential LI's is creepy.

So Jacob dumping Shepard is a better romance because Liara shows up in Shepards cabin (and she shows up in Shepards cabin because she knocks and you let her in, but that's obviously "stalking" by your definition), and knows if you've cheated on her (just like Tali, Ashley and the other LIs know if you've cheated).

Modifié par Barquiel, 20 juillet 2013 - 03:13 .

[spirosz]

Barquiel wrote...
So Jacob dumping Shepard is a better romance because Liara shows up in Shepards cabin (and she shows up in Shepards cabin because she knocks and you let her in, but that's obviously "stalking" by your definition), and knows if you've cheated on her (just like Tali, Ashley and the other LIs know if you've cheated).

Yes. 

[Barquiel]

spirosz wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
So Jacob dumping Shepard is a better romance because Liara shows up in Shepards cabin (and she shows up in Shepards cabin because she knocks and you let her in, but that's obviously "stalking" by your definition), and knows if you've cheated on her (just like Tali, Ashley and the other LIs know if you've cheated).

Yes. 

OK, good to know

[DuskWanderer]

Barquiel wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

Chasing around my dead body, constantly harrassing me in ME3, sounds like a stalker to me. Or at least someone incredibly unhinged.

This is heavily skewed, and does not really meet the criteria for being a stalker. I guess a little thing like the Shadow Broker trying to acquire Shepard's body to sell to a race of aliens that turned out to be using human remains to create a reaper is no big deal. As for "constantly harrassing", I'm not sure what this is in reference to. If you don't romance the character and don't invite her up to your cabin to see her project, she only shows up at Shepard's cabin twice, the second time just to pass info on the Salarian councilor. Just about every other encounter, save Mars, requires you to actively participate. 

Yeah it does, chick constantly chases me around, showing up in my cabin, probing me for information. I've love to tell her to get lost if the game would actually me. 

The whole "I couldn't let you go..." aspect really cemented it. She's crazy, Conrad Verner-esque crazy, and the way she keeps tabs on my other potential LI's is creepy.

So Jacob dumping Shepard is a better romance because Liara shows up in Shepards cabin (and she shows up in Shepards cabin because she knocks and you let her in, but that's obviously "stalking" by your definition), and knows if you've cheated on her (just like Tali, Ashley and the other LIs know if you've cheated).

Tali only finds out after she gets on the ship, and can talk to the people on the ship (like a normal person). Ashley and Kaidan find out the same way, through chatter. Liara, however, finds out from tracking bugs. 

Further, Liara always pops up, her behavior in LotSB and the whole "I can't let you go" is just undeniably freaky. 

People cheat, just as Jacob did. It's douchebaggy, but it's real, and at least, if he does, I get to smack him in the Citadel DLC. With Liara, I don't get that. I have to treat her like she's my best friend when she's not, and the relationship is completely shallow. She's a nothing in ME1, and the fact a relationship is assumed is grating. In ME2, she's crazy and stalkerish, and in 3 the relationship consists of, well...nothing. 

[Barquiel]

DuskWanderer wrote...
Tali only finds out after she gets on the ship, and can talk to the people on the ship (like a normal person). Ashley and Kaidan find out the same way, through chatter. Liara, however, finds out from tracking bugs. 

You're making up nonsense now. Please explain to me how Liara was able to place surveillance devices on the Normandy without EDI's or Cerberus' knowledge (...and without setting a foot on the Normandy).

DuskWanderer wrote...
Further, Liara always pops up, her behavior in LotSB and the whole "I can't let you go" is just undeniably freaky. 

The reason Liara agrees to TIM's offer is because 1) it's the only way to ensure the Collectors don't get Shepards body and 2) Liara has seen the same vision Shepard has and is probably the only one beyond Shepard and Shiala who can truly understand what is at stake (and Liara wasn't the only one who was looking for Shepard. She
was just the one who was successful because she received an anonymous tip from Cerberus). This is all laid out in ME Redemption. But I guess a less "freaky" person would have simply ignored that, to quote Liara: "Shepard died looking for evidence of the reapers, the ones who attacked the citadel" Did you (the Shadow Broker) ever consider the Collectors' interest might be related to that?").

DuskWanderer wrote...
People cheat, just as Jacob did. It's douchebaggy, but it's real, and at least, if he does, I get to smack him in the Citadel DLC. With Liara, I don't get that. I have to treat her like she's my best friend when she's not, and the relationship is completely shallow. She's a nothing in ME1, and the fact a relationship is assumed is grating. In ME2, she's crazy and stalkerish, and in 3 the relationship consists of, well...nothing. 

Your hypocrisy aside, the question whether or not you have to treat Liara like she's Shepards best friend has nothing to do with the quality of Liara's romance.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ash, picked her in ME1, gotta stick with her (and did in ME3).

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 20 juillet 2013 - 10:00 .

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Main playthrough was made to be super-meta.

Nearly full paragon Shepard, romances Ashley, till she gets vaporized on Virmire.

Extremely angry Shepard takes an interest in Miranda, since he's kind of on the rebound. Also goes Paragade and starts vaporizing enemies because that makes him feel better. Then Tali comes along and slowly Shepard starts to make "better" decisions. Picks Tali in the end.

Follows through in 3, goes back to being nearly full paragon, sticks with Tali, happy times ensue, destroys Reaper, reunites with crew (yay mods!) and there are NO hybrid babies. Don't know if they adopt a human or quarian or both; maybe I'll ask him next time I see him.

[Triforce Hermit]

I choose Tali. Love her dearly. Hate Miranda.

[CronoDragoon]

I really like both the Tali and Liara relationships. Ultimately I decided on Tali, and Rannoch's content made me really glad I did.

I haven't really gone through any other relationships except Garrus on my femshep. Eventually I'll have to go through ME1 as an engineer for the plat; maybe I'll romance Miranda or Jack when I do the series playthrough.

[Volc19]

Kaidan, but I basically romanced him because I didn't have a whole lot of options.

[DuskWanderer]

Barquiel wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...
Tali only finds out after she gets on the ship, and can talk to the people on the ship (like a normal person). Ashley and Kaidan find out the same way, through chatter. Liara, however, finds out from tracking bugs. 

You're making up nonsense now. Please explain to me how Liara was able to place surveillance devices on the Normandy without EDI's or Cerberus' knowledge (...and without setting a foot on the Normandy).

DuskWanderer wrote...
Further, Liara always pops up, her behavior in LotSB and the whole "I can't let you go" is just undeniably freaky. 

The reason Liara agrees to TIM's offer is because 1) it's the only way to ensure the Collectors don't get Shepards body and 2) Liara has seen the same vision Shepard has and is probably the only one beyond Shepard and Shiala who can truly understand what is at stake (and Liara wasn't the only one who was looking for Shepard. She
was just the one who was successful because she received an anonymous tip from Cerberus). This is all laid out in ME Redemption. But I guess a less "freaky" person would have simply ignored that, to quote Liara: "Shepard died looking for evidence of the reapers, the ones who attacked the citadel" Did you (the Shadow Broker) ever consider the Collectors' interest might be related to that?").

DuskWanderer wrote...
People cheat, just as Jacob did. It's douchebaggy, but it's real, and at least, if he does, I get to smack him in the Citadel DLC. With Liara, I don't get that. I have to treat her like she's my best friend when she's not, and the relationship is completely shallow. She's a nothing in ME1, and the fact a relationship is assumed is grating. In ME2, she's crazy and stalkerish, and in 3 the relationship consists of, well...nothing. 

Your hypocrisy aside, the question whether or not you have to treat Liara like she's Shepards best friend has nothing to do with the quality of Liara's romance.

As for Liara's tracking bugs, how else do you figure she found out? She is an information broker. 

I actually don't have too much of a problem with Liara actually giving his body to Cerberus once she has it, but the sheer fact that she did that, c'mon, look at it objectively, and not through Liara-tinted glasses. Chasing a corpse, even an important person's corpse, across the galaxy is not what normal people do. 

How, exactly, is preferring Jacob's cheating to Liara's...well, nothing, hypocrisy? Jacob was a nothing without the romance. With it, he's a douchebag who cheats. As awful as cheating is, people do make wrong decisions, and Jacob just did that. That's all.

As for the treatment of Liara, it has everything to do with it. The way she is constantly forced on us is quite honestly the part that grates about the romance. There's also the whole "mind-meld on Earth" which is basically space date rape. Her shallow and inconsistent character development makes her romance by and large totally uninteresting. It's true that it extends outside of the romance, and that may be where the confusion lies, but it happens within the romance, too. That's part of the problem with her romance, there's almost no difference between it and not having it. It could the lack of chatter she has on board the Normandy as well. All of it extends to a very shallow, boring romance from a shallow, boring character. 

[Modius Prime]

Kaidan and Liara. The most loyal companions and the greatest paragons of the franchise. Their relationships with Shepard are very detailed and they really grew on me throughout the three games.

[CronoDragoon]

DuskWanderer wrote...
There's also the whole "mind-meld on Earth" which is basically space date rape.

Whether or not you like her character, it sounds to me like you completely missed the point of this scene.

[Zazzerka]

DuskWanderer wrote...

There's also the whole "mind-meld on Earth" which is basically space date rape.

Aaaaaaaaand here is where you go full retard. Not many rapists ask, "Do you want me to do this?" and give you an opportunity to back out. There's also the fact that there's nothing sexual about it - if you want to think there is, you can, but you can't use that as an objective argument.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 21 juillet 2013 - 04:24 .

[Shallyah]

Ashley -> Tali -> Tali

Tali has a very attractive personality and it's beautiful to see how she evolves through every chapter.