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I don't even play the Shadow Broker DLC with any newer playthroughs anymore. I don't mind her being a friend.. one who offers a counterpoint to some moral issues (Rachni queen vs me and Wrex, for instance), but I think the story is too saturated with her presence. And I don't like the idea of someone trying to be "close" when I send the message over and over again that I'm not interested. This goes for real life mostly, but the game sparks the kind of annoying feeling I get from that all the same.

It might not even be a Liara thing.. I don't like how they manufacture "closeness" in general, with ME3. Steve is another example. I don't even want to help him anymore, and will let that character die now at the end.  I don't like the fact that I tell the guy to cheer up that all of the sudden he has a reason for living, and says stuff like "Anything for you!" It makes me hate him.. like he can't survive without making someone a crutch. It would appear that his husband knew that too.

Traynor is another.. I don't give a crap if she's in a hottub. Why can't they trigger this content for people who actually care.. and leave the rest of us out of it?

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There's nothing creepy about this at all. Even if we ignore the involvement of evil aliens and the fact that Shepard saved the galaxy in ME1...If someone saved my life (and every Shepard saved Liara's life) I would definitely try to return the favor, given the chance. And that's exactly what Liara did.

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Traynor's entire visit is basically the hot tub scene, so technically, you trigger it yourself when you invite her up.

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KaiserShep wrote...

Traynor's entire visit is basically the hot tub scene, so technically, you trigger it yourself when you invite her up.


Yeah, but the autodialog makes it as if my male Shep is getting some hardon about it and needs a cold shower asap. The character reactions are pre-written for me. I don't have a problem inviting Traynor up.. she's OK.. it's when they try to fabricate sexual tension with the "lesbian friend". I didn't hint of ever caring for that.

I'm not against having her as a friendly character in general. That's why I invited her around in the first place. But like with Steve, things come out unexpectedly.. once you're friendly, it only tends to strike one type of note. There's no degree of friendship or fewer types of friendship.

edit: DA2 handled this pretty well btw. With the rivalry and friendship levels.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 21 juillet 2013 - 05:34 .


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StreetMagic wrote...

I don't even play the Shadow Broker DLC with any newer playthroughs anymore. I don't mind her being a friend.. one who offers a counterpoint to some moral issues (Rachni queen vs me and Wrex, for instance), but I think the story is too saturated with her presence. And I don't like the idea of someone trying to be "close" when I send the message over and over again that I'm not interested. This goes for real life mostly, but the game sparks the kind of annoying feeling I get from that all the same.

It might not even be a Liara thing.. I don't like how they manufacture "closeness" in general, with ME3. Steve is another example. I don't even want to help him anymore, and will let that character die now at the end.  I don't like the fact that I tell the guy to cheer up that all of the sudden he has a reason for living, and says stuff like "Anything for you!" It makes me hate him.. like he can't survive without making someone a crutch. It would appear that his husband knew that too.

Traynor is another.. I don't give a crap if she's in a hottub. Why can't they trigger this content for people who actually care.. and leave the rest of us out of it?

The only problem I had with Steve was the conversation where you first find him listening to the recording from his husband. "We all die alone" is too cold, "I'm here for you" is far too personal. After securing his survival, I simply ignore the last meeting with him on the Citadel in my canon playthrough (where MaleShep's only options are to either ogle the strippers or hit on him - he's faithful to Tali; he's not gonna do either of those things). Thankfully the club exchange is optional, so RP isn't violated. Jayne Cobb Shepard, on the other hand...

I didn't like the Traynor hottub visit either, because it was OOC and you couldn't get around to other invites until you did it.

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DuskWanderer wrote...

 It's true that it extends outside of the romance, and that may be where the confusion lies, but it happens within the romance, too. That's part of the problem with her romance, there's almost no difference between it and not having it. It could the lack of chatter she has on board the Normandy as well. All of it extends to a very shallow, boring romance from a shallow, boring character. 


The bolded part above is the biggest reason why I was unimpressed with the Liara romance. I'd played thru the trilogy several times before I romanced Liara and, quite honestly, by the time I was over half-way into ME3, I had no idea if I was actually in an active romance or not. Hardly anything was different than it had been in any of my other playthroughs.

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Barquiel wrote...

There's nothing creepy about this at all. Even if we ignore the involvement of evil aliens and the fact that Shepard saved the galaxy in ME1...If someone saved my life (and every Shepard saved Liara's life) I would definitely try to return the favor, given the chance. And that's exactly what Liara did.


She returned the favot already. She got my body to Cerberus, which of course changed my life (as well as bringing me back to it.) Because of that, I met Miranda. I learned of an independent, and in my opinion, better perspective of through Cerberus. I was able to fight the Reapers.

She paid me back already. She's going too far as it is now. 

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I don't care for Liara as a character, and I strongly dislike the assumptive nature of her relationship to Shepard.

Even so, I don't see how anybody can say that her "gift" is a rape - Shepard *can* refuse.

But it's definitely a "Psycho Hose Beast" scenario for Shepards who aren't close to her, though. (Ref link: http://www.youtube.com/watch)

As for some people's ingratitude about her "rescue," the problem is that Liara's motivations were contingent on an intimate bond with Shepard. In fact, that's supposedly Miranda's reason for recruiting her in the first place - which seems silly to me; any high-level agent (like Feron, or even Miranda, herself) would've and could've retrieved Shepard's body without said "bond."

I'm actually not opposed to Liara's plot significance, but it should've stayed relationship-neutral. Like: After Shepard dies, Liara looks for evidence on the Reapers to convince the Council (or her own government) to take action. At some point she's starts looking at Collector activity, and her investigation crosses paths with Miranda, Feron, and the Shadow Broker. From that point on, her arc could've played out almost exactly the same way as it did.

Character-wise, I would've preferred her "hardening" to be a more subtle transition: less badass action-hero and more regretfully stoic survivor. Elaine Barrish from "Political Animals" (played by Sigourney Weaver) is a great character example. (Ref link of awesome scene: www.youtube.com/watch)

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I still want to give her to die in LotSB....... Oh well.... Ill settle for only taking her when forced and barely speaking to her.

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Steelcan wrote...

I still want to give her to die in LotSB....... Oh well.... Ill settle for only taking her when forced and barely speaking to her.


You know you can simply ignore LotSB, right?

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What is it that's so interesting about Liara that every thread becomes an argument about her?

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

What is it that's so interesting about Liara that every thread becomes an argument about her?


It baffles me too. 

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spirosz wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

What is it that's so interesting about Liara that every thread becomes an argument about her?


It baffles me too. 


I think they secretly love Liara

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I hate Jack.

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Oh this blue vs everyone sh*t again. How cute. Its surprising how extreme everyones fondness (or lack there of) is for her. Folk s either adore her... or folks want to kill her. Theres like no middle ground for her. Its interesting how rare the "Eh, shes an all right friend" responses are. Such a passionate bunch BSN is ;)

On topic:
Femshep: Liara M!shep: Ashley.

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I think everyone knows the issues people have with her, but it does surprise me that the posters in these threads don't bore themselves with there posts.

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doozer12 wrote...

Oh this blue vs everyone sh*t again. How cute. Its surprising how extreme everyones fondness (or lack there of) is for her. Folk s either adore her... or folks want to kill her. Theres like no middle ground for her. Its interesting how rare the "Eh, shes an all right friend" responses are. Such a passionate bunch BSN is ;)

On topic:
Femshep: Liara M!shep: Ashley.


Haha. If we strip away all the writer favouritism, that's exactly how I feel.

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General Slotts wrote...

doozer12 wrote...

Oh this blue vs everyone sh*t again. How cute. Its surprising how extreme everyones fondness (or lack there of) is for her. Folk s either adore her... or folks want to kill her. Theres like no middle ground for her. Its interesting how rare the "Eh, shes an all right friend" responses are. Such a passionate bunch BSN is ;)

On topic:
Femshep: Liara M!shep: Ashley.


Haha. If we strip away all the writer favouritism, that's exactly how I feel.

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Yeah, same. I don't understand why she tends to provoke such strong reactions from people.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 21 juillet 2013 - 07:59 .


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General Slotts wrote...

doozer12 wrote...

Oh this blue vs everyone sh*t again. How cute. Its surprising how extreme everyones fondness (or lack there of) is for her. Folk s either adore her... or folks want to kill her. Theres like no middle ground for her. Its interesting how rare the "Eh, shes an all right friend" responses are. Such a passionate bunch BSN is ;)

On topic:
Femshep: Liara M!shep: Ashley.


Haha. If we strip away all the writer favouritism, that's exactly how I feel.

https://encrypted-tb...iudarsHabz6jzeK


Well, she's okay, but the fact that she's the one that always talks to Shepard in his cabin after every mission makes the relationship w/ her seem more familiar and intimate than many players would care to be.

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The more freedom you have to kill or dismiss or even dislike characters, the less involvement they can have in a story and with each other.

If you demand complete freedom to treat characters how you want, then you better be ready for characters that have zero involvement in the story and with each other. Which more-or-less makes it impossible for a story to function in the first place.

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 08:04 .


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David7204 wrote...

The more freedom you have to kill or dismiss or even dislike characters, the less involvement they can have in a story and with each other.

If you demand complete freedom to treat characters how you want, then you better be ready for characters that have zero involvement in the story and with each other. Which more-or-less makes it impossible for a story to function in the first place.


David, please play DA:O

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AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The more freedom you have to kill or dismiss or even dislike characters, the less involvement they can have in a story and with each other.

If you demand complete freedom to treat characters how you want, then you better be ready for characters that have zero involvement in the story and with each other. Which more-or-less makes it impossible for a story to function in the first place.


David, please play DA:O



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Ravensword wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The more freedom you have to kill or dismiss or even dislike characters, the less involvement they can have in a story and with each other.

If you demand complete freedom to treat characters how you want, then you better be ready for characters that have zero involvement in the story and with each other. Which more-or-less makes it impossible for a story to function in the first place.


David, please play DA:O



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Enough of this nonsense. Parroting each other does not make you any more convincing.

Even if DA:Os dialogue and companion system was really that good, which I very seriously doubt, DA:O is not Mass Effect. It took six years of development. It had half the work for conversations thanks to a silant protagonist. It has far less of a focus on characters returning through sequels.

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 08:15 .


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spirosz wrote...

I hate Jack.


Lol!

OT: Femshep Liara throughout trilogy and Broshep Jack.