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[Sir DeLoria]

SiniisteR wrote...

I've also noticed in some places people saying that Tali is better off being with than Garrus than Shepard, just because they are both dextro-protein races, so they can get past boundaries that would be between humans and quarians. But what sounds like a better love story, two people of different races being together because they have the most similarites in comparison to other races, or two people from different races being together despite their differences and the boundaries they would face?

Who says that? Aside from the Dextro factor, Quarians are far more similar to humans than to Turians. They look like humans, their society is similar to humans and their sexual dimorphism is identical to humans. 

[David7204]

It's reasonable to request Liara not coming to Shepard's cabin if you've been rude to her.

However, demanding that Liara not retrieve Shepard's body, not be a part of the ME 3 crew, and never speak to Shepard in ME 3 if you don't like her is utterly ridiculous.

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 10:08 .

[Steelcan]

David doesn't know what a "choice" based RPG is clearly....

[David7204]

A story with choices does not and should not mean you get to dictate which characters exist in the story or not.

All stories have characters. You aren't going to like every character in every story. That's really just the end of it. BioWare is not obligated to change that because they make video games.

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 10:14 .

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

It's reasonable to request Liara not coming to Shepard's cabin if you've been rude to her.

However, demanding that Liara not retrieve Shepard's body, not be a part of the ME 3 crew, and never speak to Shepard in ME 3 if you don't like her is utterly ridiculous.

Why? I can kick Allers of the Normandy, why not Liara?

[David7204]

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's reasonable to request Liara not coming to Shepard's cabin if you've been rude to her.

However, demanding that Liara not retrieve Shepard's body, not be a part of the ME 3 crew, and never speak to Shepard in ME 3 if you don't like her is utterly ridiculous.

Why? I can kick Allers of the Normandy, why not Liara?

Because Allers has no role in the story.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

It's reasonable to request Liara not coming to Shepard's cabin if you've been rude to her.

However, demanding that Liara not retrieve Shepard's body, not be a part of the ME 3 crew, and never speak to Shepard in ME 3 if you don't like her is utterly ridiculous.

Being able to kill her (without damning the galaxy) would be nice. And not having her on the crew isn't ridiculous at all.

I'd have liked to have kept the Yahg Broker and left Liara to die if I had the ability to do so. 

Once again, I wish characters were like DA:O were the choices in how you deal with and interact with your squadmates affect the outcome of the game.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

A story with choices does not and should not mean you get to dictate which characters exist in the story or not.

All characters have stories. You aren't going to like every character in every story. That's really just the end of it. BioWare is not obligated to change that because they make video games.

.  I can pick what role characters have in the story though...  Wrex, Ashley/Kaidan, the whole ME2 squad, the original council, Rachni queen...  

In DA:O I can not recruit Leliana, Sten, Wynne (can be killed), Morrigan can leave at several points. 

Your words ring hollow

[David7204]

What's ridiculous is demanding that any character of your choosing should not exist in the story for the sole reason of you not liking them. BioWare does not need justification for including her.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

A story with choices does not and should not mean you get to dictate which characters exist in the story or not.

All stories have characters. You aren't going to like every character in every story. That's really just the end of it. BioWare is not obligated to change that because they make video games.

But you can and should be able to dictate the effect and impact of those characters on the story. Once again, I point to DA:O (in which you can also kick out any squadmate minus Dog and Alistair at any time).

[David7204]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

A story with choices does not and should not mean you get to dictate which characters exist in the story or not.

All characters have stories. You aren't going to like every character in every story. That's really just the end of it. BioWare is not obligated to change that because they make video games.

.  I can pick what role characters have in the story though...  Wrex, Ashley/Kaidan, the whole ME2 squad, the original council, Rachni queen...  

In DA:O I can not recruit Leliana, Sten, Wynne (can be killed), Morrigan can leave at several points. 

Your words ring hollow

Utter nonsense. Can you pick what role Miranda plays in ME 2? What role EDI plays? The Illusive Man? Anderson? Hackett? Tali in ME 1? Joker?

Yes, you can determine the fate of some characters. But some you can't. Liara is one that you can't.

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 10:18 .

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's reasonable to request Liara not coming to Shepard's cabin if you've been rude to her.

However, demanding that Liara not retrieve Shepard's body, not be a part of the ME 3 crew, and never speak to Shepard in ME 3 if you don't like her is utterly ridiculous.

Why? I can kick Allers of the Normandy, why not Liara?

Because Allers has no role in the story.

Liara is expendable. When we met Javik, we learnd that everything she new about the Protheans was a faux. Every technical role she has can be performed by either EDI or Tali.

[Steelcan]

You can determine your interactions with them. You can kill off Miranda, mess up TIM's plans, can determine EDI's outlook on life. But Liara is forced to be your friend.

[David7204]

The exact could be said for nearly every character in every story in existence! Their 'role' could be taken by someone else! That's completely irrelevant!

Liara's function in the story 'could' have been taken by someone else. By you know what? It wasn't. The story is written with her as essential, and so she is. It doesn't need to be justified.

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 10:24 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's reasonable to request Liara not coming to Shepard's cabin if you've been rude to her.

However, demanding that Liara not retrieve Shepard's body, not be a part of the ME 3 crew, and never speak to Shepard in ME 3 if you don't like her is utterly ridiculous.

Why? I can kick Allers of the Normandy, why not Liara?

Because Allers has no role in the story.

Liara is expendable. When we met Javik, we learnd that everything she new about the Protheans was a faux. Every technical role she has can be performed by either EDI or Tali.

Or Traynor, who gets the drop on both Grissom and Sanctuary.

[Teddie Sage]

Necanor wrote...

Liara is expendable. When we met Javik, we learnd that everything she new about the Protheans was a faux. Every technical role she has can be performed by either EDI or Tali.

My question would be: Would they want to fill her spot of the Shadow Broker? Tali? I don't think so. EDI? Well, she's a machine so she doesn't need to sleep that much, but being a Shadow Broker wouldn't give her satisfaction. She already has a role to do and it's to be the ship's AI and Joker's assistant.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 21 juillet 2013 - 10:24 .

[David7204]

Steelcan wrote...

You can determine your interactions with them. You can kill off Miranda, mess up TIM's plans, can determine EDI's outlook on life. But Liara is forced to be your friend.

And Miranda is 'forced' to be your lieutenant. She's a part of conversations throughout ME 2 whether you like or not. EDI is 'forced' to help you on missions. TIM is 'forced' to be your boss. You don't get to determine any of those interactions.

Modifié par David7204, 21 juillet 2013 - 10:24 .

[Ymladdych]

Han Shot First wrote...
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Kaidan, Vega, ect are also always in the platonic category, but unlike with Garrus I can understand why some Fem Shep fans wanted either one of those characters for their Shep's LI. Ditto for Cortez and some MShep players.

Mmmm, yeah. I forgot about Vega. I like his character a lot. Depending on the playthrough, it's a toss-up between him and Garrus exiting 2nd out of the Normandy. (Javik's always first. lol)

If James had been on the squad for ME1, I could see romancing him with a femShep. By the time he rolls around in ME3, though, there's just too big a gulf in experience and mental age...I'd feel like a perv. The "Citadel" hookup footage is enough to make me squirm - it's a sexual harassment complaint waiting to happen.

So I have to add him to my platonic list.

[Mr.House]

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's reasonable to request Liara not coming to Shepard's cabin if you've been rude to her.

However, demanding that Liara not retrieve Shepard's body, not be a part of the ME 3 crew, and never speak to Shepard in ME 3 if you don't like her is utterly ridiculous.

Why? I can kick Allers of the Normandy, why not Liara?

I can't kick out Tali in ME3, why should you be able to kick out Liara?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

The exact could be said for nearly every character in every story in existence! Their 'role' could be taken by someone else! That's completely irrelevant!

Liara's function in the story 'could' have been taken by someone else. By you know what? It wasn't.

And it was, in our opinion, a failing on BW's part because of it. 

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

The exact could be said for nearly every character in every story in existence! Their 'role' could be taken by someone else! That's completely irrelevant!

Liara's function in the story 'could' have been taken by someone else. By you know what? It wasn't.

That's the problem. Liara is a ****e character, simple.