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[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

I say keep the universe, the relays, teh worlds, the species, and populate it with an entirely new cast.

No Shepard
No Garrus
No Liara
No Tali
No James

All new story, all new cast, keep the Mass Effect trilogy as a self-contained story, and go do an entirely different one here.  Old fans get the same universe they're familiar with.  New fans don't have to worry about returning characters they've never met.

They're for somewhat different reasons than yours, but I completely agree with every word of this.

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

I say keep the universe, the relays, teh worlds, the species, and populate it with an entirely new cast.

No Shepard
No Garrus
No Liara
No Tali
No James

All new story, all new cast, keep the Mass Effect trilogy as a self-contained story, and go do an entirely different one here.  Old fans get the same universe they're familiar with.  New fans don't have to worry about returning characters they've never met.

They're for somewhat different reasons than yours, but I completely agree with every word of this.

Common gorund!

[Mcfly616]

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

I say keep the universe, the relays, teh worlds, the species, and populate it with an entirely new cast.

No Shepard
No Garrus
No Liara
No Tali
No James

All new story, all new cast, keep the Mass Effect trilogy as a self-contained story, and go do an entirely different one here.  Old fans get the same universe they're familiar with.  New fans don't have to worry about returning characters they've never met.

They're for somewhat different reasons than yours, but I completely agree with every word of this.

yup. Definitely this.


No Shepard, none of his crew, no Normandy, no Reapers (I don't even want any cameos). Time for a new cast of characters, a new threat and a new adventure....all in the setting we know and love. Alternate Universe is the way to go. I don't want Bioware telling me what my Canon was.


The only way I'd be cool with next game taking place after the events of ME3, is if we could import our final choice and have it create variations on the setting. But that isn't possible, so imo its in the best interest of the franchise to let the Shepard Trilogy stand on it's own, and create a completely separate story set in an AU.

[Fixers0]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...
Remember the all-human council that could have been formed at the end of ME1 if Shepard had ordered the Alliance Fleet to ignore the DA? 

Yeah . . .

It's nothing that hasn't been done before.

Actually, Mass Effect 2 did acknowledge that outcome through news broadcast. It wasn't until Mass Effect 3 that both the all-human council and the Human chairman were retconned away, as was Humanity being the dominant power.

Modifié par Fixers0, 18 juillet 2013 - 09:15 .

[Iakus]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Once again, you are not the spokesperson for everyone who chooses the red ending.  For some, the destruction of EDI and the Geth would be seen as an bonus incentive for shooting the tube.  No more evil genocidal robot toasters exist.  Plus, Joker can finally get a real girlfriend.

You accuse me of making a lot of claims I haven't made.  Everything I've said is stuff you can read right here on these boards.  Just because I reiterate them doesn't make me a spokesman.  It just makes me someone who doesn't appreciate such postitions being trivialized.

But that is besides the point.  MEHEM is a variation of the red ending that I, and many others, also chose.  The destruction of the Reapers is without a doubt the most popular choice.  Bioware will most likely go that route if they make a title set after ME3.

Though in the case of the Geth, I can imagine the developers making their survival canon in order to, as I wrote before, please as many people as possible.

Hey, if the next ME game canonizes High EMS destroy and retcons the synthetic holocaust I, personally, will be happy.  Others won't be, of course.  But maybe then I can tell them "Get over it" or accuse them of being crybabies, or whatever.

Nah, I'm not that petty.  Probably.  

Remember the all-human council that could have been formed at the end of ME1 if Shepard had ordered the Alliance Fleet to ignore the DA? 

Yeah . . .

It's nothing that hasn't been done before.

I didn't say it hasn't been done before, I said when it has been done, the audience has decried such actions.

[AlanC9]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
If they see potential for more interesting stories going with certain canons, I really don't mind. It's the same reasoning why I'm against save imports for Dragon Age but want the Dark Ritual canonized: it has plot threads to consider for future games.

Similarly, I think Synthesis has the most potential for interesting storytelling. Personally, I'm less concerned with Bioware allowing for my chosen ending, which was control, than I am for them telling a good story in the future. I'm comfortable with looking at them both as alternate universes.

My main objection to canonizing Synthesis is that it would be an awfully weird universe if done right. Would it still feel like Mass Effect? I like transhumanist SF just fine, though, so if Bio could pull it off I'd be quite happy.

My original ME sequel idea was doing it post-Destroy, a few centuries after ME3, expanding back into the galaxy to see what had become of all of the lost clusters that didn't have functioning QECs.  ( Maybe reconnecting the relay network?) Civilizations could go in a lot of directions depending on local conditions. Same goals as you, but a different conclusion. The big conceptual problem is asking players to manage drive charge and fuel; I don't know if the weak players we have these days could handle that.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 juillet 2013 - 11:31 .

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...

Hey, if the next ME game canonizes High EMS destroy and retcons the synthetic holocaust I, personally, will be happy.  Others won't be, of course.  But maybe then I can tell them "Get over it" or accuse them of being crybabies, or whatever.

Yeah, I imagine if that happens there will be a fair amount of contempt for either the entitled whiners, or for Bio for catering to them, or both. OTOH, the hipster elitist side likes feeling superior to you guys, so I don't think things will get all that toxic. Amused contempt doesn't gunk things up all that much.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 juillet 2013 - 11:43 .

[jtav]

This is going to sound silly, but it's a matter of tone. If the devs essentially take the route Gaider did and say "this is a universe we are choosing to make things easier for us" I'll be much more sympathetic to them running with certain choices. Then it becomes one of many possible worlds and my choices are no less valid.

[Steelcan]

I say keeping High EMS Destroy as is for canon is the best way forward into a new series. Its a nice little re-set.

[Nashiktal]

iakus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

What I'm most concerned about is ME4 having that same spin-off feeling that DA2 had. No returning characters, different setting, different game mechanics, different focus, different game in essence. If there is nothing about what made me enjoy the original games in the new ones, then what is the point of playing them?

And that's the exact opposite for me.

I say keep the universe, the relays, teh worlds, the species, and populate it with an entirely new cast.

No Shepard
No Garrus
No Liara
No Tali
No James

All new story, all new cast, keep the Mass Effect trilogy as a self-contained story, and go do an entirely different one here.  Old fans get the same universe they're familiar with.  New fans don't have to worry about returning characters they've never met.

Oh yes this. I don't want a rehash, I don't want to be reminded too much of the past... Too much baggage. As much as I enjoyed the trilogy ( and hated the ending) I just want to distance myself from it all as much as possible.

Just... Way to much baggage. 

I don't want' Shep 2.0 or the normandy 3.0. I don't want to be another supersoldier and I don't want a rehash of all the characters we have already met. Heck I don't think I want another "end of the world save the day" scenerio. 

I want fresh faces, fresh settings. I want new situatiosn and dilemmas. Although even then my entire experience will probably be colored by that damn ending and me thinking how I shouldn't get invested in it. 

God i've been so much of a cynic since the trilogy ended. 

[WhiteKnyght]

LucasShark wrote...

Whee... /sarcasm

Gee Bioware: glad to see that you've made no mention of how you intend to continue on from the absolute mess that you created while rushing ME3 out the door.

Also glad to see you learned bloody nothing from the problems generated in ME3 by EA's obcession with broadening its appeal to the point it is so broad fitting through doorways is an issue.

Oh and look: not only have you not learned from that, you're embracing it, since it will be using the frostbite engine.  An engine purpose designed for BATTLEFIELD!  And used in such glorious games as Army of Two: Devils cartel, need for speed: the run, and Medal of Honor warfighter.  That last one is especially telling since it was purpose built like the last few battlefields to try and unseat COD atop the poo mountain that is the Modern Millitary SHooter genre, only to fail miserably and become one of the worst games reviewed this past year.

Glad to see EA's influence is alive and well.

Edit:

For one jackass who calls me a lier http://www.vg247.com...ore-kotor-team/

Oh for the love of...

Everybody needs to just grow up and get a life already. Mass Effect is a VIDEO GAME, something for timepassing and amusement. If you don't like how the trilogy ended, move on, play a different game, or go out into the real world and do something productive!

In ten years, Mass Effect will be a passing memory. It's not worth the expended energy on whining, hating, and complaining about what amounts to five minutes of a 90 hour run just because you didn't get everything exactly how you wanted. It is completely childish! This game is rated M because it's meant to be played by adults, not by little kids(and you all whine like them).

Seriously, it has been 1 year, 4 months, and 12 days already and you're still going on.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 19 juillet 2013 - 02:34 .

[AlanC9]

30 years ago for me. I don't remember one damn thing.

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 juillet 2013 - 03:50 .

[Iakus]

jtav wrote...

This is going to sound silly, but it's a matter of tone. If the devs essentially take the route Gaider did and say "this is a universe we are choosing to make things easier for us" I'll be much more sympathetic to them running with certain choices. Then it becomes one of many possible worlds and my choices are no less valid.

If the endings were something I could tolerate, I could agree with this.  But without some serious retconning of the consequences, none of the endings result in a galaxy I want to participate in.

[Iakus]

Nashiktal wrote...

Oh yes this. I don't want a rehash, I don't want to be reminded too much of the past... Too much baggage. As much as I enjoyed the trilogy ( and hated the ending) I just want to distance myself from it all as much as possible.

Just... Way to much baggage. 

I don't want' Shep 2.0 or the normandy 3.0. I don't want to be another supersoldier and I don't want a rehash of all the characters we have already met. Heck I don't think I want another "end of the world save the day" scenerio. 

I want fresh faces, fresh settings. I want new situatiosn and dilemmas. Although even then my entire experience will probably be colored by that damn ending and me thinking how I shouldn't get invested in it. 

God i've been so much of a cynic since the trilogy ended. 

"Too much baggage" sums it up very well.  Very well indeed.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Addressing the endings would actually not be as difficult as it is often made out to be. Simple - come up with a starting point where the new game will commence and make the endings meet at that point. Example:

- Destroy - the Reapers are varren chow but from their "corpses" technology was salvaged and reverse-engineered to fix the relays/reactivate the geth/fix everything to a sensible degree
- Control - the Reapers helped fix everything then returned to Dark Space.
- Synthesis - same as Control except everything is green because reasons (I am not keen on this ending at all, but some people did choose it so it needs to be addressed. and ultimately, the less said about it the better)
- Refuse - lol yeah right

With that, you have a Reaper-free starting point and grounds for conflict. Post-war chaos ensues. Factions are vying for power. With Control, the departure of the Reapers could be instigated by these factions bickering about just whose side is Shepard really on, trying to get them (and the firepower they command) to join their ranks. Seeing as Control is blue and therefore could be associated with the Paragon path, departure for moral reasons (if everybody wants this power, nobody should have it) makes sense. With Synthesis - eh, that one is wonky as hell and a damned head-scratcher, but I suppose you could just go with Control and either give everybody green eyes (cyborgs or not, people will always be power-hungry) or simply sweep the whole thing under the rug. The following focus is on the new story, gives room for exploration of new alliances, watching the old ones break and it would allow for this universe to realize its potential.

True, this approach may not satisfy everyone, but a) that is impossible, it *is* a solution, at the very least, c) scrapes the leftovers off, leaving a clean slate for the newcomer, as well developing the setting the returning player is already familiar with.

If I managed to come up with it (and I am not a good writer/idea person by any stretch of imagination), I am sure something similar ocurred to at least one BioWare dev.

Modifié par Phoenix_Also_Rises, 19 juillet 2013 - 08:34 .

[Hey]

you are bumming me out, lucas

[Kataphrut94]

Phoenix_Also_Rises wrote...

Addressing the endings would actually not be as difficult as it is often made out to be. Simple - come up with a starting point where the new game will commence and make the endings meet at that point. Example:

- Destroy - the Reapers are varren chow but from their "corpses" technology was salvaged and reverse-engineered to fix the relays/reactivate the geth/fix everything to a sensible degree
- Control - the Reapers helped fix everything then returned to Dark Space.
- Synthesis - same as Control except everything is green because reasons (I am not keen on this ending at all, but some people did choose it so it needs to be addressed. and ultimately, the less said about it the better)
- Refuse - lol yeah right

Well, with Synthesis, you could just assume the green highlights 'faded' over time. Or maybe everyone got corrective surgery.

Regardless, I agree with your point. All the devs would need to do is create an atmosphere where any of the endings could safely be considered canon. Then it all comes down to what the player imagines it to be.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 19 juillet 2013 - 09:47 .

[BaneForever]

 I would like a new alien species introduced to make the game and story unique.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Well, with Synthesis, you could just assume the green highlights 'faded' over time. Or maybe everyone got corrective surgery.

Or that. Gods, I know I would get the surgery if I woke up one morning and found a green-tinted abomination with tubes sticking out of her face in the mirror. How are you supposed to brush your teeth with all that new hardware in the way? Is there a special shampoo I have to buy for that? Will I still be able to pull off that skirt I bought last year in Paris or do cyber-growths make my butt look big? Somebody get me a surgeon! No, I do not care if the scalpel is rusty and to him, "vodka" translates to "anesthetic"! Just cut it oooooff!

[Kataphrut94]

I got the impression it was all 'beneath the skin', like at the cellular level. So apart from the green tint, it wouldn't actually interfere with anything or be physically noticeable. That's why I don't get the hubub over synthesis - I honestly think people are overstating the effect it would actually have on life and the way people think.

[PinkysPain]

Anything but a pre/mid/interquel would mean the writers have to swallow their ego ... anything but a pre/mid/interquel is impossible ...

The ending is their magnum opus, the triump of art over the need to preserve the illusion of player agency ... nothing will be allowed to compromise on it, as long as Mac&Casey have a say in it it will close the book on the ME universe (in universe chronologically at least).

Modifié par PinkysPain, 19 juillet 2013 - 12:36 .