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[Mcfly616]

It's called an Alternate Universe

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

I got the impression it was all 'beneath the skin', like at the cellular level. So apart from the green tint, it wouldn't actually interfere with anything or be physically noticeable. That's why I don't get the hubub over synthesis - I honestly think people are overstating the effect it would actually have on life and the way people think.

I know. I was being silly. Friday afternoon does things to my overworked brain, especially on a tragically caffeine-deficient summer day.

[PinkysPain]

Mcfly616 wrote...

It's called an Alternate Universe

It's an admittance that they screwed up so badly they have to retcon the entire game ... they are not going to do that.

The ME3 ending must stand as the final chapter, no alternate universe, no sequels ... starchild is final destination.

[Mcfly616]

PinkysPain wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

It's called an Alternate Universe

It's an admittance that they screwed up so badly they have to retcon the entire game ... they are not going to do that.

The ME3 ending must stand as the final chapter, no alternate universe, no sequels ... starchild is final destination.

no its not. An AU is not a retcon. If anything, it respects everything that players did within the Shepard Trilogy, by not making a canon ending. Many successful sci fi saga's have done it.

[PinkysPain]

It's all about appearances, it's not so much about how you or I see it but how the audience at large sees it. A part of the audience will see it as an admission that the ME3 ending screwed everything up so bad it has to be written out of existence.

Regardless of the truth of the matter they'll lose face ... and given how they communicated in the aftermath of ME3 I don't think they are the kind of people who can easily swallow that. They'll rather be hated.

[Mcfly616]

Or they could see that its a completely separate story. If anything, making a sequel and choosing a Canon ending would be disrespecting gamers choices more than anything. There's no other way to create a game after ME3, without choosing a canon. That doesn't mean they 'messed' up the endings. They never promised anything other than a trilogy where our choices would carry across. Not every game with the title "Mass Effect". The trilogy is over. Time for something completely new, in the setting we love.



The next game will sell more copies than any of the previous Trilogy. You can count on it.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 19 juillet 2013 - 02:52 .

[Armass81]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Whee... /sarcasm

Gee Bioware: glad to see that you've made no mention of how you intend to continue on from the absolute mess that you created while rushing ME3 out the door.

Also glad to see you learned bloody nothing from the problems generated in ME3 by EA's obcession with broadening its appeal to the point it is so broad fitting through doorways is an issue.

Oh and look: not only have you not learned from that, you're embracing it, since it will be using the frostbite engine.  An engine purpose designed for BATTLEFIELD!  And used in such glorious games as Army of Two: Devils cartel, need for speed: the run, and Medal of Honor warfighter.  That last one is especially telling since it was purpose built like the last few battlefields to try and unseat COD atop the poo mountain that is the Modern Millitary SHooter genre, only to fail miserably and become one of the worst games reviewed this past year.

Glad to see EA's influence is alive and well.

Edit:

For one jackass who calls me a lier http://www.vg247.com...ore-kotor-team/

Oh for the love of...

Everybody needs to just grow up and get a life already. Mass Effect is a VIDEO GAME, something for timepassing and amusement. If you don't like how the trilogy ended, move on, play a different game, or go out into the real world and do something productive!

In ten years, Mass Effect will be a passing memory. It's not worth the expended energy on whining, hating, and complaining about what amounts to five minutes of a 90 hour run just because you didn't get everything exactly how you wanted. It is completely childish! This game is rated M because it's meant to be played by adults, not by little kids(and you all whine like them).

Seriously, it has been 1 year, 4 months, and 12 days already and you're still going on.

If they havent listened to you during the year and half that has passed, I doubt they will now.

[TheProtheans]

Mcfly616 wrote...

It's called an Alternate Universe

Lol, if there was a worse thing than that in terms of the integrity of what's left of story I would say what it was.

[Mcfly616]

TheProtheans wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

It's called an Alternate Universe

Lol, if there was a worse thing than that in terms of the integrity of what's left of story I would say what it was.

in your opinion.


In the opinion of the many classic sci fi series that have done it.....obviously not.


If anything it respects the integrity of the story and the people whose choices made it unique. It respects them by not telling everybody that they all made the same choices and had the same exact ending. That's "worse in terms of integrity of what's left of story". So, you're welcome.....I guess.


We've already had this discussion. Best not to rehash it.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 19 juillet 2013 - 03:41 .

[AlanC9]

Kataphrut94 wrote...


Regardless, I agree with your point. All the devs would need to do is create an atmosphere where any of the endings could safely be considered canon. Then it all comes down to what the player imagines it to be.

Was this approach popular when KotOR 2 did it? My recollection is that it was pretty generally despised.

[AlanC9]

Mcfly616 wrote..

If anything it respects the integrity of the story and the people whose choices made it unique. It respects them by not telling everybody that they all made the same choices and had the same exact ending. That's "worse in terms of integrity of what's left of story". So, you're welcome.....I guess.

We've already had this discussion. Best not to rehash it.

Then you shouldn't have brought it up.

A canon sequel doesn't tell everybody that they made the same choices. It tells everybody that the universe went on from one particular set of choices that one particular version of the PC made. 

[TheProtheans]

Mcfly616 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

It's called an Alternate Universe

Lol, if there was a worse thing than that in terms of the integrity of what's left of story I would say what it was.

in your opinion.


In the opinion of the many classic sci fi series that have done it.....obviously not.


If anything it respects the integrity of the story and the people whose choices made it unique. It respects them by not telling everybody that they all made the same choices and had the same exact ending. That's "worse in terms of integrity of what's left of story". So, you're welcome.....I guess.


We've already had this discussion. Best not to rehash it.

Why are we working off the assumption each ending will not be defined individually for the player when they play the game and roleplay and instead there will one generic canon ending.
I hate alternate universes so really it is not an option for me, I would hate it if my favorite games and tv shows did that.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 19 juillet 2013 - 04:30 .

[AlanC9]

TheProtheans wrote...
Why are we working off the assumption each ending will not be defined individually for the player when they play the game and roleplay and instead there will one generic canon ending.

Probably because there are too many big choices in ME to keep them all going. There are only a few ways to handle choice in games.

1. Keep branching everything forever. Works great, but sooner or later you run out of resources; ME3 went about as far to accomodate previous choices as any RPG ever has, but the main effect seems to have been to highlight the big difference between what gamers want and what's doable.

2. Let players make choices, but have them not make much difference. The choices can be limited in space; for instance, what you do on a KotOR planet is meaningless on any other planet. They can be limited in effect; in TW1 it doesn't really matter who Geralt sides with since he can't change the political realities. Or seemingly different choices can turn out to not make much difference in the end, as in KotOR's endings or the rachni choice.

3. Don't give many choices in the first place.

4. Offer choices but don't carry them over to sequels; the sequel starts from a point that your previous PC might have gone to, or might not have.

5. Go AU and ignore the whole thing.

[Iakus]

TheProtheans wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

It's called an Alternate Universe

Lol, if there was a worse thing than that in terms of the integrity of what's left of story I would say what it was.

Sad to say, the story has no integrity after the endings.  Not to me, anyway.  The damage is done and can't be fixed without some serious retconning..

Best thing to do now is just clear away the rubble and rebuild.  Try again with a new story and new characters.

[Mike 9987]

ME4: First contact. Enjoy this first person shooter CoD style!

[johnj1979]

[quote]IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...


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Can I have what your on?

Are you describing ME 1 or ME 3. ME 3 is boring, the characters are lifeless and the multiplayer seem to only work if install the game onto a consoles Hard Disc. The story of ME 3 seems to nothing or very very little to do with the events of ME 1 and 2. The combat in ME 3 is rubbish, the squad mates in ME 3 are waste of time being in it because they seem to disappear when there is fight and they do next to no damage on the enemy.[/quote]


Sorry,your grammar is bad.I don't understand what you're trying to say
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There is nothing wrong with the grammar

It's just saying ME 3 seems to have more problems with it than what has gone before it.

Modifié par johnj1979, 19 juillet 2013 - 06:45 .

[johnj1979]

FluffyCannibal wrote...

Personally, I would like to be a space pirate in ME4. 

johnj1979 wrote...


Can I have what your on?

Are you describing ME 1 or ME 3. ME 3 is boring, the characters are lifeless and the multiplayer seem to only work if install the game onto a consoles Hard Disc. The story of ME 3 seems to nothing or very very little to do with the events of ME 1 and 2. The combat in ME 3 is rubbish, the squad mates in ME 3 are waste of time being in it because they seem to disappear when there is fight and they do next to no damage on the enemy.

Then I suggest you learn how to play the game properly, because I've never had that problem.

I can play the game.

What platform are you on?
What region are you in?

I have nothing but problems with it since before day one.

[AlanC9]

PC. USA. No problems that I can see, except maybe Ashley's marksman bug.

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 juillet 2013 - 07:27 .

[johnj1979]

AlanC9 wrote...


PC. USA. No problems that I can see, except maybe Ashley's marksman bug.

I am using Xbox 360 in the UK maybe that's why I have problems with it.

Modifié par johnj1979, 19 juillet 2013 - 08:27 .

[dreamgazer]

My squaddies do plenty of damage in ME3 (on the 360). I observed that recently with my engineer.

[johnj1979]

yeah, but where are you?

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

region doesn't matter,what are u talking about?The game is the same in all regions

[johnj1979]

but is it?

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

johnj1979 wrote...

but is it?

obviously