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[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

LucasShark wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

So, a 1st or 3rd person shooter game will be using a 1st or 3rd person shooter engine? What's the issue again?

You want bioware producing a shooter because... why again?  It isn't their strength.

mass effect already is a shooter 

[LucasShark]

Morocco Mole wrote...

You want bioware producing a shooter because... why again? It isn't their strength.

But Mass Effect 3 actually had decent gameplay.

By what measure?

As an RPG it's non-existant, since all classes are essentially identical in single player and all problems are solved with maximum firepower.

As a shooter, it's middling at best, with notable balance issues, and problems with precision aiming.

it also rewards absolutely brain-dead tactics, for instance: making sure your power regeneration is at 200 percent, and being rewarded with spamming powers.

[ShepnTali]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If it's 1st person, I will not be happy

Agreed.

Yup.

[LucasShark]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

So, a 1st or 3rd person shooter game will be using a 1st or 3rd person shooter engine? What's the issue again?

You want bioware producing a shooter because... why again?  It isn't their strength.

mass effect already is a shooter 

And I find that an absolute shame considering we are good for shooters thanks.  You can't walk 10 paces in modern AAA gaming without tripping over shooter gameplay and big muscly men with guns suffering from not-gay syndome.

[AlanC9]

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

But Mass Effect 3 actually had decent gameplay.

By what measure?

Enjoying it, perhaps?

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

You want bioware producing a shooter because... why again? It isn't their strength.

But Mass Effect 3 actually had decent gameplay.

By what measure?

As an RPG it's non-existant, since all classes are essentially identical in single player and all problems are solved with maximum firepower.

As a shooter, it's middling at best, with notable balance issues, and problems with precision aiming.

it also rewards absolutely brain-dead tactics, for instance: making sure your power regeneration is at 200 percent, and being rewarded with spamming powers.

it seems you don't know anything about shooters.A good shooter is a fun shooter.Nothing else matters

[LucasShark]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah, but Mass Effect has always been a shooter series.

No it bloody well has not: Mass Effect 1 was an RPG that happened to use a shooter framework.  Its combat was entirely stat-based, which is why shooter fans called it "clunky".

[Nitrocuban]

Preorder cancelled?

[AlanC9]

LucasShark wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm still waiting for you to mention the actual problems with the engine

How about just one?

Perhapse you should take some refreshers on reading comprehension, or scrolling a bit farther down, person with a history of being an obstinant troll.

You didn't  mention any engine specifics there either. Just some vague blather about strategy.

Or have you given up all pretense about having something useful to say about the engine? If so, why? I thought you were supposed to be, like, an expert, man.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 juillet 2013 - 05:18 .

[LucasShark]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

You want bioware producing a shooter because... why again? It isn't their strength.

But Mass Effect 3 actually had decent gameplay.

By what measure?

As an RPG it's non-existant, since all classes are essentially identical in single player and all problems are solved with maximum firepower.

As a shooter, it's middling at best, with notable balance issues, and problems with precision aiming.

it also rewards absolutely brain-dead tactics, for instance: making sure your power regeneration is at 200 percent, and being rewarded with spamming powers.

it seems you don't know anything about shooters.A good shooter is a fun shooter.Nothing else matters

Well forgive me for finding using my brain fun, as opposed to being wooed by gasoline explosions.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah, but Mass Effect has always been a shooter series.

No it bloody well has not: Mass Effect 1 was an RPG that happened to use a shooter framework.  Its combat was entirely boredom-based, which is why shooter fans called it BORING.

[LucasShark]

AlanC9 wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm still waiting for you to mention the actual problems with the engine

How about just one?

Perhapse you should take some refreshers on reading comprehension, or scrolling a bit farther down, person with a history of being an obstinant troll.

You didn't  mention any engine specifics there either. Just some vague blather about strategy.

I pointed out, repeatedly now, that Frostbite was developed with an emphasis on presentation in mind over other factors.  I find presentation to be the least important aspect of a game.  Therefore: I feel that ME could be far better served by other pieces of software.

How is this difficult to understand?

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

LucasShark wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

You want bioware producing a shooter because... why again? It isn't their strength.

But Mass Effect 3 actually had decent gameplay.

By what measure?

As an RPG it's non-existant, since all classes are essentially identical in single player and all problems are solved with maximum firepower.

As a shooter, it's middling at best, with notable balance issues, and problems with precision aiming.

it also rewards absolutely brain-dead tactics, for instance: making sure your power regeneration is at 200 percent, and being rewarded with spamming powers.

it seems you don't know anything about shooters.A good shooter is a fun shooter.Nothing else matters

Well forgive me for finding using my brain fun, as opposed to being wooed by gasoline explosions.

im sorry,i can't hear you because of all the shooting going on right now.Im playing Serious Sam 3

[AlanC9]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah, but Mass Effect has always been a shooter series.

No it bloody well has not: Mass Effect 1 was an RPG that happened to use a shooter framework.  Its combat was entirely boredom-based, which is why shooter fans called it BORING.

I'm actually going to agree with this. An RPG-shooter hybrid works, an RPG dressed up in shooter clothing does not.

[LucasShark]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah, but Mass Effect has always been a shooter series.

No it bloody well has not: Mass Effect 1 was an RPG that happened to use a shooter framework.  Its combat was entirely boredom-based, which is why shooter fans called it BORING.

Well done, twisting words, is it a shocker to you that some people like to exercise something other than their thumbs?

You'd probably say that Civilization IV was "teh wurst game eva!" for being precisely what it was designed to be.

[LucasShark]

AlanC9 wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah, but Mass Effect has always been a shooter series.

No it bloody well has not: Mass Effect 1 was an RPG that happened to use a shooter framework.  Its combat was entirely boredom-based, which is why shooter fans called it BORING.

I'm actually going to agree with this. An RPG-shooter hybrid works, an RPG dressed up in shooter clothing does not.

Thankyou, admittedly: I come out on the opposite side it seems by wanting more RPG as opposed to less, but still.

[ShepnTali]

What I like about ME1's stat leveling, is it requires more thought and squad balancing. I got caught with my pants down, with nobody in my squad being proficient in first aid, for example. I like that aspect.

[LucasShark]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Can't compare a RTS to a shooter/rpg hybrid

Why not?  Both have an experience they are trying to deliver.  And Civilization isn't even an RTS.

[AlanC9]

LucasShark wrote...

I pointed out, repeatedly now, that Frostbite was developed with an emphasis on presentation in mind over other factors.  I find presentation to be the least important aspect of a game.  Therefore: I feel that ME could be far better served by other pieces of software.

How is this difficult to understand?

Because you still can't come up with a single thing which Frostbite needs that it doesn't have and Bio can't add.

By your "argument" ME1 couldn't have worked since UE3 didn't look crappy.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 juillet 2013 - 05:30 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

LucasShark wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah, but Mass Effect has always been a shooter series.

No it bloody well has not: Mass Effect 1 was an RPG that happened to use a shooter framework.  Its combat was entirely boredom-based, which is why shooter fans called it BORING.

Well done, twisting words, is it a shocker to you that some people like to exercise something other than their thumbs?

You'd probably say that Civilization IV was "teh wurst game eva!" for being precisely what it was designed to be.

you're kidding right?Civilization IV is a strategy game,it has nothing in common with ME.You need to understand something simple.

a game has guns=shooter.It doesn't matter if it's RPG,that's not an excuse

[LucasShark]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Yeah, but Mass Effect has always been a shooter series.

No it bloody well has not: Mass Effect 1 was an RPG that happened to use a shooter framework.  Its combat was entirely boredom-based, which is why shooter fans called it BORING.

Well done, twisting words, is it a shocker to you that some people like to exercise something other than their thumbs?

You'd probably say that Civilization IV was "teh wurst game eva!" for being precisely what it was designed to be.

you're kidding right?Civilization IV is a strategy game,it has nothing in common with ME.You need to understand something simple.

a game has guns=shooter.It doesn't matter if it's RPG,that's not an excuse

So XCOM is a shooter then?  It has guns.
So Final Fantasy VII is a shooter then?  It has guns.
So Napoleon total war is a shooter then?  It has guns.
So portal is a shooter then?  It has A gun.

[.50CalBrainSurgeon]

I suspect it's too early to really begin making judgements about what the next ME game will be like. We only have a few tweets and statements that leave too much room for conjecture. I have my reservations about how the devs can weave a new story, considering the ME3 ending debacle. (Man if we had just killed the Reapers like we had wanted from day one, things would be so much easier!!!). Nonetheless, I will try to keep an open mind about what they are producing. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll release an awesome new game with a beautifully written story. I don't know. But I do know this: it is too early to render serious judgement when there is so little information.