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[Han Shot First]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Spending more than five years insisting "there is no canon" only to suddenly turn around and say "there is canon" is a bad thing, yeah. 

Its been done before however, and by Bioware.

The KoTOR games have an established canon now for example. Revan is canonically male even though the player could choose a female protagonist, and in the canon Revan had a child with Bastila Shan, even though the player chould have chosen a different LI (Juhani) or no LI at all. The light side ending to KoTOR is also canon.
 
The Dragon Age series also went that route to a certain extent.

*If* the next game is a sequel, Bioware might not have much choice but to anoint one of the three original endings (Refuse is guaranteed non-canon) as the sole canon ending. Of course, that is assuming that the next game is sequel at all.

[crimzontearz]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Only a minority of internet fans are going to care about a canonization of events.

does not mean I am not going to take advantage of any occasion to remind them of their previous attitude compared with their actions

[ruggly]

Hadeedak wrote...

ruggly wrote...

You're bashing a game over the engine they're going to use?

Right.

Sky is falling. On the bright side, our hair will look great while it does.

Because we use TRESemme, ooh la la.

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Spending more than five years insisting "there is no canon" only to suddenly turn around and say "there is canon" is a bad thing, yeah. 

Meaning that gamers are too stupid to understand that while they're free to do whatever they want in the trilogy, Bio can't continue the universe and keep everyone's choices going?

[crimzontearz]

Han Shot First wrote...

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Spending more than five years insisting "there is no canon" only to suddenly turn around and say "there is canon" is a bad thing, yeah. 

Its been done before however, and by Bioware.

The KoTOR games have an established canon now for example. Revan is canonically male even though the player could choose a female protagonist, and in the canon Revan had a child with Bastila Shan, even though the player chould have chosen a different LI (Juhani) or no LI at all. The light side ending to KoTOR is also canon.
 
The Dragon Age series also went that route to a certain extent.

*If* the next game is a sequel, Bioware might not have much choice but to anoint one of the three original endings (Refuse is guaranteed non-canon) as the sole canon ending. Of course, that is assuming that the next game is sequel at all.

those canons are established in Kotor 2? because kotor 2 is not a bioware game

[crimzontearz]

AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Spending more than five years insisting "there is no canon" only to suddenly turn around and say "there is canon" is a bad thing, yeah. 

Meaning that gamers are too stupid to understand that while they're free to do whatever they want in the trilogy, Bio can't continue the universe and keep everyone's choices going?

that is not what bioware said

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Spending more than five years insisting "there is no canon" only to suddenly turn around and say "there is canon" is a bad thing, yeah. 

Meaning that gamers are too stupid to understand that while they're free to do whatever they want in the trilogy, Bio can't continue the universe and keep everyone's choices going?

this.Oh and,these gamers you speak of,Mr.iakus is not one of em

[Han Shot First]

crimzontearz wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Spending more than five years insisting "there is no canon" only to suddenly turn around and say "there is canon" is a bad thing, yeah. 

Its been done before however, and by Bioware.

The KoTOR games have an established canon now for example. Revan is canonically male even though the player could choose a female protagonist, and in the canon Revan had a child with Bastila Shan, even though the player chould have chosen a different LI (Juhani) or no LI at all. The light side ending to KoTOR is also canon.
 
The Dragon Age series also went that route to a certain extent.

*If* the next game is a sequel, Bioware might not have much choice but to anoint one of the three original endings (Refuse is guaranteed non-canon) as the sole canon ending. Of course, that is assuming that the next game is sequel at all.

those canons are established in Kotor 2? because kotor 2 is not a bioware game

KoTOR 2 and the Knights of the Old Republic MMO.

While you are correct that KoTOR 2 wasn't a Bioware game, TOR is. And TOR ran with the same canon.

[AlanC9]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...
Spending more than five years insisting "there is no canon" only to suddenly turn around and say "there is canon" is a bad thing, yeah. 

Meaning that gamers are too stupid to understand that while they're free to do whatever they want in the trilogy, Bio can't continue the universe and keep everyone's choices going?

this.Oh and,these gamers you speak of,Mr.iakus is not one of em

Never said he was. He's saying other people would have problems, not himself.

As I recall iakus' position, he isn't hostile to canon, he just wants a canon that can't actually happen in ME3. iakus, is that fair? (I'm thinking about a canon ending where we have Destroy without the bad consequences)

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 juillet 2013 - 09:35 .

[Han Shot First]

Morocco Mole wrote...

TOR established a canon for both KotoR 1 and 2

Yep.

The hero of KoTOR 2 (Jedi Exile) is canonically female, for example.

[crimzontearz]

Han Shot First wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Spending more than five years insisting "there is no canon" only to suddenly turn around and say "there is canon" is a bad thing, yeah. 

Its been done before however, and by Bioware.

The KoTOR games have an established canon now for example. Revan is canonically male even though the player could choose a female protagonist, and in the canon Revan had a child with Bastila Shan, even though the player chould have chosen a different LI (Juhani) or no LI at all. The light side ending to KoTOR is also canon.
 
The Dragon Age series also went that route to a certain extent.

*If* the next game is a sequel, Bioware might not have much choice but to anoint one of the three original endings (Refuse is guaranteed non-canon) as the sole canon ending. Of course, that is assuming that the next game is sequel at all.

those canons are established in Kotor 2? because kotor 2 is not a bioware game

KoTOR 2 and the Knights of the Old Republic MMO.

While you are correct that KoTOR 2 wasn't a Bioware game, TOR is. And TOR ran with the same canon.

I never played TOR, I LOATHE MMOS....buuuut, about your statement I am not sure if it is funny or sad

[Cainhurst Crow]

AlanC9 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...


Who will get to decide which of the Reaper endings will be the main story of any Mass Effect 4?
.

Bioware.

They decided who revan and the exile was in swtor. And they decided everything of what happened in all their games, except kotor 2 becuase it was made by a different studio.

[crimzontearz]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Bioware did not canonize Shepard's death at the end of ME2.

BSN, I must ask, where is the outrage?

oh they did.....it generated a non importable file so.....I'd you choose that as your canon ME3 does not happen

[AlanC9]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Meaning that gamers are too stupid to understand that while they're free to do whatever they want in the trilogy, Bio can't continue the universe and keep everyone's choices going?

This is correct. It's also really entitled for the fans to want Bioware to continually stunt themselves when writing sequels because it may override some nonimportant person's personal canon.

Well, I suppose Bio could make games without any big choices ever, so there's no canon because nothing you do matters. But for the MEU that ship has sailed..

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Bioware did not canonize Shepard's death at the end of ME2.

BSN, I must ask, where is the outrage?

oh they did.....it generated a non importable file so.....I'd you choose that as your canon ME3 does not happen

Right. Something else happens instead.

And if Bio makes Destroy canon, Control Sheps don't get imported to ME4. Something else happens instead.

[Cainhurst Crow]

crimzontearz wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Spending more than five years insisting "there is no canon" only to suddenly turn around and say "there is canon" is a bad thing, yeah. 

Its been done before however, and by Bioware.

The KoTOR games have an established canon now for example. Revan is canonically male even though the player could choose a female protagonist, and in the canon Revan had a child with Bastila Shan, even though the player chould have chosen a different LI (Juhani) or no LI at all. The light side ending to KoTOR is also canon.
 
The Dragon Age series also went that route to a certain extent.

*If* the next game is a sequel, Bioware might not have much choice but to anoint one of the three original endings (Refuse is guaranteed non-canon) as the sole canon ending. Of course, that is assuming that the next game is sequel at all.

those canons are established in Kotor 2? because kotor 2 is not a bioware game

Star wars, the old republic game.

And btw, their story with revan was excellent, and I enjoyed playing through it immensely. As long as the content is good, I don't see much problem.

[Cainhurst Crow]

AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Bioware did not canonize Shepard's death at the end of ME2.

BSN, I must ask, where is the outrage?

oh they did.....it generated a non importable file so.....I'd you choose that as your canon ME3 does not happen

Right. Something else happens instead.

And if Bio makes Destroy canon, Control Sheps don't get imported to ME4. Something else happens instead.

It'll hurt for me(control fan) at first, but I think I'll be able to get over it.

[Han Shot First]

@Darth

Nice avatar! I think that scene in the trailer was probably the most epic duel in the series.

[crimzontearz]

AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Bioware did not canonize Shepard's death at the end of ME2.

BSN, I must ask, where is the outrage?

oh they did.....it generated a non importable file so.....I'd you choose that as your canon ME3 does not happen

Right. Something else happens instead.

And if Bio makes Destroy canon, Control Sheps don't get imported to ME4. Something else happens instead.

not the same practically while conceptually similar, I am nit against canonization, I am against Bioware feeding us BS and not being accountable for it

[Han Shot First]

*If* Bioware rolls with a sequel and makes one ending the sole canon, the safe bets are on either Synthesis or Destroy. Synthesis appears to be the writer's favorite, or at the least the favorite of ME3's two leads, and Destroy is far and away the fan favorite.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Never said he was. He's saying other prople would have problems, not himself.

As I recall iakus' position, he isn't hostile to canon, he just wants a canon that can't actually happen in ME3. iakus, is that fair?

Ideally, I want as vague a canon as possible.  One which MEHEM could be canon if the player wants it to be. 

The problem with this particular instance is that the standard endings are so horrific to me, I am simply not interested in participating in a galaxy where any of them took place. Thus before I even think about touching the fire again, I want to know that it's not the same fire as before.

Some games don't pretend that player canon matters.  They just pick one.  Like Diablo, or Legacy of Kain.  Bioware actually tries to convince the player that their choices do matter. It was a big part of Mass Effect's appeal, after all.

I have no illusions that they can maintain this.  I've been warning people about it both for Mass Effect and Dragon Age for some time.  Mass Effect, I believe has already reached a point where importing is no longer viable.  Dragon Age is buying time by shifting protagonsits and locations which each game, will will eventually become unmanageable as well.

[Raizo]

If ME4 is set at least 1000 years in the future the only decisions that need to be canonised are fate of the Krogan race and the Outcome of Quarian vs Geth War. The fate of the Reapers can easily be ignored ( ie they are never ever mentioned ever again because they are either dead or have gone back to deep space to never ever return ) and all other decisions from ME1 to ME3 would be too minor to have a major impact on the sequel.