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[Blackrising]

Depends.

Can I murder knife him?
Or at least tell him to shut the heck up when he starts ranting about mages?

[Star fury]

Blackrising wrote...

Depends.

Can I murder knife him?
Or at least tell him to shut the heck up when he starts ranting about mages?

Mage raped him, so Fenris is justified in his rants tbh.  

[CuriousArtemis]

BSN is a strange place *shivers* So many people want to murder so many characters. I bet in their daily lives they are quiet working stiffs who may snap at any moment 

[berelinde]

motomotogirl wrote...

Yes but do you go into Leliana friendly threads...

Er... I wish I could claim that kind of restraint, but I can't. I've really been making an effort to avoid the fan threads to avoid raining on somebody else's parade, but I remember going on at least one wild rant that I later regretted. It was after playing Sebastian's DLC for the first time and discovering that DLC I paid for - that cost actual money - had an unanticipated, unannounced special guest. And Hawke didn't even have the ability to be rude to her. So I was pretty rude on the forum instead. I don't know. Maybe I thought it would be satisfying. It wasn't bad enough to get me banned or anything, but I should have taken the high ground all the same. Nobody's perfect, right?

That is part of the reason I dislike cameos. Sometimes, you just want the NPC to go away forever, and they just don't.

Anyway, I think they've figured out by now that fans like their continuity. If Fenris (or Anders, or Isabela, or Merrill, or whoever) is off being happy with Hawke, I'm hoping they don't do something horrible to them unless there's a story reason for doing so. A story reason that was planned in advance and not something that was tossed in because hey, everybody loves Fenris/Anders/Isabela/Merrill/Aveline/Varric/Sebastian.

Maybe it's the nature of DAO vs DA2. The characters in DA2 were just as "good" - just as powerful, meaningful, and likable - as those in DAO, but a lot of the DAO cast had big destiny written on them. Alistair, Sten, Morrigan, and, yes, Leliana all wore the Hand of Fate like an '80s shoulder pad. The DA2 cast, while just as valuable as companions, all had character resolution in the game itself.

[Blackrising]

motomotogirl wrote...

BSN is a strange place *shivers* So many people want to murder so many characters. I bet in their daily lives they are quiet working stiffs who may snap at any moment 

Well, I'm a librarian, so....go figure.

[Hazegurl]

I love Fenris. He was the only companion willing to speak the truth and was a better friend than that idiot Anders. I loved romancing Fenris. However, I think he should stay gone. I like to think of him somewhere in the world relaxing with Hawke. I don't need a cameo. I want new companions.

[Melca36]

Star fury wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Depends.

Can I murder knife him?
Or at least tell him to shut the heck up when he starts ranting about mages?

Mage raped him, so Fenris is justified in his rants tbh.  

And so are the mages were raped too.  As long as its an optional cameo that I can avoid I have no problem. I just dont want to be forced to do any quests.   The character was shoved down my throat for me to like him. I never gave him to Danarius but I think he conditioned players to automatically assume that all mages were evil.

[Hazegurl]

Melca36 wrote...

And so are the mages were raped too. 

And they were also a whiny little lot.

[dragondreamer]

Melca36 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Depends.

Can I murder knife him?
Or at least tell him to shut the heck up when he starts ranting about mages?

Mage raped him, so Fenris is justified in his rants tbh.  

And so are the mages were raped too.  As long as its an optional cameo that I can avoid I have no problem. I just dont want to be forced to do any quests.   The character was shoved down my throat for me to like him. I never gave him to Danarius but I think he conditioned players to automatically assume that all mages were evil.

He didn't condition me or my mage Hawke to assume mages were evil.  He's just a very damaged individual with good reason to feel the way he does.  Though even he will admit that not all mages are evil, and that he has emotional problems.  His background has instilled in him a great deal of fear of magic, which he manifests as hatred.  But it doesn't have to consume him, and even he will help Hawke support mages if he can be convinced of their plight in one way or another.  Because if there's one thing Fenris seems to hate more than anything, it's slavery and utter control; he just happens to associate that with mages because of his background.

[Bionuts]

The irony is that Fenris has magical abilities.

[dragondreamer]

Bionuts wrote...

The irony is that Fenris has magical abilities.

I think the real irony is that he *wanted* them.  

And that's a serious mind**** for him if he finds out.

I've thought often, that the person Leto was, might really surprise Fenris.

[Bionuts]

dragondreamer wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

The irony is that Fenris has magical abilities.

I think the real irony is that he *wanted* them.  

And that's a serious mind**** for him if he finds out.

I've thought often, that the person Leto was, might really surprise Fenris.

I heard that if you take him into the Fade, one of the demons will offer to make him as powerful as the Tevinger Mages... and he succumbs

[Magdalena11]

dragondreamer wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

The irony is that Fenris has magical abilities.

I think the real irony is that he *wanted* them.  

And that's a serious mind**** for him if he finds out.

I've thought often, that the person Leto was, might really surprise Fenris.

I hadn't wondered that before but I am now.  I wonder if he would even recognize him.  I did wonder what the prize was for winning that competition.  Was it only the boon?

[Lau Maru]

If Lil' Fenris comes back I really hope it's to cause amass slave rebellion and Inquisitor gets chance to cross blades w/ him. Sorry but killing my former comrades in arms is oddly satisfying

[dragondreamer]

Bionuts wrote...

I heard that if you take him into the Fade, one of the demons will offer to make him as powerful as the Tevinger Mages... and he succumbs 

Yep, I did that on one playthrough.  He one-hit KO'd my Hawke.    At least the first time.  Afterwards, he's utterly mortified and disturbed that he gave in.

Magdalena11 wrote...

I hadn't wondered that before but I am now.  I wonder if he would even recognize him.  I did wonder what the prize was for winning that competition.  Was it only the boon?

I assume it wasn't, because if you let her live, Varania will tell Fenris he wanted the markings and fought for them.  I think the boon was probably only an additional prize.  He probably wanted all of it, but I have a feeling gaining the markings meant something to him for Varania to remark on it.

It used to annoy me when Anders would accuse Fenris of being jealous of his mage sister, because Fenris couldn't even remember.  And that's true (and Anders still bugs me during that part), but then I began to wonder if there was some truth there.  Leto lived and grew up in a culture where magic was celebrated, and magic was power.  It was a chance at a better life if the circumstances were right.  So I could easily see Leto being jealous of his mage sister.  Maybe when the competition was announced, with the prize being markings that could give magical powers to even a mundane, he jumped at it.  He would still be a slave, but he would have power and he would be *valuable*, which is probably a lot better than being disposable.  And he likely assumed his mother and sister would have a chance for a better life if they were free.  He was probably very young and didn't consider that life outside of living as houseservants (Fenris said his mother worked in the kitchens) for a wealthy magister would be very harsh and difficult.  And possibly ignored any concerns his mother and sister had, which fostered Varania's resentment of him.  From Varania's point of view, Leto abandoned them, gained power, and left them with nothing.

Yep, thought about this a lot.  

Modifié par dragondreamer, 18 juillet 2013 - 11:37 .

[Bionuts]

dragondreamer wrote...
I assume it wasn't, because if you let her live, Varania will tell Fenris he wanted the markings and fought for them.  I think the boon was probably only an additional prize.  He probably wanted all of it, but I have a feeling gaining the markings meant something to him for Varania to remark on it.

It used to annoy me when Anders would accuse Fenris of being jealous of his mage sister, because Fenris couldn't even remember.  And that's true (and Anders still bugs me during that part), but then I began to wonder if there was some truth there.  Leto lived and grew up in a culture where magic was celebrated, and magic was power.  It was a chance at a better life if the circumstances were right.  So I could easily see Leto being jealous of his mage sister.  Maybe when the competition was announced, with the prize being markings that could give magical powers to even a mundane, he jumped at it.  He would still be a slave, but he would have power and he would be *valuable*, which is probably a lot better than being disposable.  And he likely assumed his mother and sister would have a chance for a better life if they were free.  He was probably very young and didn't consider that life outside of living as houseservants (Fenris said his mother worked in the kitchens) for a wealthy magister would be very harsh and difficult.  And possibly ignored any concerns his mother and sister had, which fostered Varania's resentment of him.  From Varania's point of view, Leto abandoned them, gained power, and left them with nothing.

Yep, thought about this a lot.  

[Blankeflos]

Magdalena11 wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...
I think the real irony is that he *wanted* them.  

And that's a serious mind**** for him if he finds out.

I've thought often, that the person Leto was, might really surprise Fenris.

I hadn't wondered that before but I am now.  I wonder if he would even recognize him.  I did wonder what the prize was for winning that competition.  Was it only the boon?

I remember I read somewhere that Gaider said Fenris had no idea what they're going to do with him, and even if he knew he wouldn't understand. As I can't remember the source I can't confirm the veracity of this information

[Magdalena11]

I can believe that Fenris accepted the markings in the knowledge that they would wound him for life. If he knew it would buy a better position for his family in the brutal Tevinter society, he might seriously consider. I think the part he didn't get was that his memory would be wiped. Suddenly, the reason that he accepted the tattoos was no longer apparent and he could only react to having received the tattoos in the first place. The part he's always going on about is that he can't remember. Once he learns about his decision, this doesn't change. Sort of like waking up after a party discovering yes, you really did that. You might have done it anyway just for kicks, but you aren't really happy about it because because you would have liked to have remembered it.

[Lord Raijin]

No .... just NO! No more of this character. For the Maker sake and the sake for all.

[dragondreamer]

I think Fenris didn't really understand what the ritual would do to him, how it would change him; that it would be so painful and that his memory and persona would be wiped. He probably thought he would still be Leto when it was done with.

[rapscallioness]

Then of course he became Danarius' sex slave and kept on a leash.

Didn't he compete for those markings? I can't quite remember that detail. Did he know that he would become Danarius' sex slave? Somehow, I doubt it.

The random banter from Fenris was annoying to me, but the general "questioning beliefs" stuff I liked. I think Fenris was one of the most fleshed out characters in DA2. You really got hear abt his backstory. Even got to meet his sis and Dan and find out his real name.

He has an interesting story.

In general, tho, I don't care for seeing previous companions w/ a new PC. It always feels a lil strange to me. You've gotten to know them really well. Fought to the death w/them. Maybe even romanced them, but now--as new PC--they don't know you from Adam.

[rapscallioness]

Ah, and @MMG,yes--meditation. Meditating makes a Huge diff...in everything. I haven't meditated regularly for like a year, or so. Hmmm, time to get back to that, methinks.

/ot

[iOnlySignIn]

Don't get your hopes up.

Judging from both DA2's plot as well as its DLCs, Fenris and Merrill are the companions BioWare pay the least amount of attention to.

[Harle Cerulean]

Blankeflos wrote...

Magdalena11 wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...
I think the real irony is that he *wanted* them.  

And that's a serious mind**** for him if he finds out.

I've thought often, that the person Leto was, might really surprise Fenris.

I hadn't wondered that before but I am now.  I wonder if he would even recognize him.  I did wonder what the prize was for winning that competition.  Was it only the boon?

I remember I read somewhere that Gaider said Fenris had no idea what they're going to do with him, and even if he knew he wouldn't understand. As I can't remember the source I can't confirm the veracity of this information

It was here on the forums, in the Fenris thread.  So, as much as some people want to villainize him and cast him as a hypocrite who sold his soul for power and deserves whatever he got... well, they're not gonna care about Word of God proving they're wrong, but they're wrong anyways.  

[dragondreamer]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Blankeflos wrote...

Magdalena11 wrote...

dragondreamer wrote...
I think the real irony is that he *wanted* them.  

And that's a serious mind**** for him if he finds out.

I've thought often, that the person Leto was, might really surprise Fenris.

I hadn't wondered that before but I am now.  I wonder if he would even recognize him.  I did wonder what the prize was for winning that competition.  Was it only the boon?

I remember I read somewhere that Gaider said Fenris had no idea what they're going to do with him, and even if he knew he wouldn't understand. As I can't remember the source I can't confirm the veracity of this information

It was here on the forums, in the Fenris thread.  So, as much as some people want to villainize him and cast him as a hypocrite who sold his soul for power and deserves whatever he got... well, they're not gonna care about Word of God proving they're wrong, but they're wrong anyways.  

Young and desperate, yeah; a villain, no.  And he certainly didn't deserve any of it.  Have I mentioned that Fenris is my favorite?  I think it would've been obvious by now.  

Considering that Varania flat out tells Fenris that he wanted the markings and competed for them, I don't think he was entirely ignorant of what he would be receiving.  That he would know nothing of the ritual itself, yeah, I can see that.