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[Hazegurl]

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

[Hellion Rex]

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

[TheKomandorShepard]

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

Selling is too big word hawke pulls i don't care option not my problem and guys give him/her money for nothing well if he gives it is sane to take.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 11 décembre 2013 - 12:44 .

[Ap0crypha]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

Selling is too big word hawke pulls i don't care option not my problem and guys give him/her money for nothing well if he gives it is sane to take.

Even if it isn't "selling", as you say, you're still standing by and letting someone be captured by a slaver whom you know will mistreat them. That would still be considered a crime in pretty much any real-world country, and in any country in Thedas that isn't Tevinter or Orlais (I think they have slaves, not sure though).

Plus, whether you liked him or not, the guy helped you out for seven years. It's a really messed up and a horrible thing to do.

[Alexander1136]

 I personally hate both zevran and fenris. As long as they both stay dead in my import/DA KEEP idc.  

[Master Warder Z_]

Ap0crypha wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

Selling is too big word hawke pulls i don't care option not my problem and guys give him/her money for nothing well if he gives it is sane to take.

Even if it isn't "selling", as you say, you're still standing by and letting someone be captured by a slaver whom you know will mistreat them. That would still be considered a crime in pretty much any real-world country, and in any country in Thedas that isn't Tevinter or Orlais (I think they have slaves, not sure though).

Plus, whether you liked him or not, the guy helped you out for seven years. It's a really messed up and a horrible thing to do.

"Slavery" is illegal entirely outside of the Imperium.

However slavery is not to be mistaken for serfdom which exists pretty much everywhere in Thedas.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ap0crypha wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

Selling is too big word hawke pulls i don't care option not my problem and guys give him/her money for nothing well if he gives it is sane to take.

Even if it isn't "selling", as you say, you're still standing by and letting someone be captured by a slaver whom you know will mistreat them. That would still be considered a crime in pretty much any real-world country, and in any country in Thedas that isn't Tevinter or Orlais (I think they have slaves, not sure though).

Plus, whether you liked him or not, the guy helped you out for seven years. It's a really messed up and a horrible thing to do.

Well not that stop peoples ignoring when someone is beaten on the street is is natural human reaction to not get in face or be killed pretty much most goverments would touch you for such thing just say "i couldn't do anything" . He didn't help me at nothing hell i even helped him twice and protect him and he still was crying that im mage pulling "i don't know that guy" that what 98 % of peoples would do in such situation but internet heroes will of course claim otherwise. 

[Master Warder Z_]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Ap0crypha wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

Selling is too big word hawke pulls i don't care option not my problem and guys give him/her money for nothing well if he gives it is sane to take.

Even if it isn't "selling", as you say, you're still standing by and letting someone be captured by a slaver whom you know will mistreat them. That would still be considered a crime in pretty much any real-world country, and in any country in Thedas that isn't Tevinter or Orlais (I think they have slaves, not sure though).

Plus, whether you liked him or not, the guy helped you out for seven years. It's a really messed up and a horrible thing to do.

Well not that stop peoples ignoring when someone is beaten on the street is is natural human reaction to not get in face or be killed pretty much most goverments would touch you for such thing just say "i couldn't do anything" . He didn't help me at nothing hell i even helped him twice and protect him and he still was crying that im mage pulling "i don't know that guy" that what 98 % of peoples would do in such situation but internet heroes will of course claim otherwise. 

...In the freindship and rivally path he ultimately admits that "Hawke" is one of the few exceptions to the rule.

He can handle power actually.

So i don't know where you are coming from here.

[franciscoamell]

Aaaaw, Trista is gone? :/

[Ap0crypha]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Ap0crypha wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

Selling is too big word hawke pulls i don't care option not my problem and guys give him/her money for nothing well if he gives it is sane to take.

Even if it isn't "selling", as you say, you're still standing by and letting someone be captured by a slaver whom you know will mistreat them. That would still be considered a crime in pretty much any real-world country, and in any country in Thedas that isn't Tevinter or Orlais (I think they have slaves, not sure though).

Plus, whether you liked him or not, the guy helped you out for seven years. It's a really messed up and a horrible thing to do.

Well not that stop peoples ignoring when someone is beaten on the street is is natural human reaction to not get in face or be killed pretty much most goverments would touch you for such thing just say "i couldn't do anything" . He didn't help me at nothing hell i even helped him twice and protect him and he still was crying that im mage pulling "i don't know that guy" that what 98 % of peoples would do in such situation but internet heroes will of course claim otherwise. 

So, basically, "I should stand by and let this person be mugged/beaten/raped/killed/whatever because nobody else is helping them"? What a model of morality you are.

It's not completely true, even. There have been times when people walked right past someone who was hurt, but there have also been times they stopped to help. Saying that "nobody helps anyone" is like saying "all girls like pink" or "all boys like football"--stereotypical and untrue.

You know you can at least call the police irl right? Even if you can't physically stop someone from getting hurt, you can get someone who can.

As for the game, let me ask you this: if there was a slaver who tried to capture Varric, or Aveline, or whoever your favorite character is, would you have stood by and let them?

Modifié par Ap0crypha, 11 décembre 2013 - 01:17 .

[Hazegurl]

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

I agree but I can understand doing it on a "I support slavery/Tevinter/just being an evil bastard playthrough"

[ShadyKat]

Whining, brooding, emo elf.......No thanks.
I hated him with a passion.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hazegurl wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

I agree but I can understand doing it on a "I support slavery/Tevinter/just being an evil bastard playthrough"

Two of My Wardens supported slavery to varying Extents but i don't think any of my Hawke's have.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Master Warder Z wrote...


...In the freindship and rivally path he ultimately admits that "Hawke" is one of the few exceptions to the rule.

He can handle power actually.

So i don't know where you are coming from here.

yeah in end of the game when he spend 2/3 bi*** about my hawke and mages and then he start bi*** about others things like his past damn like anders just more emo than him. 

Ap0crypha wrote...



So, basically, "I should stand
by and let this person be mugged/beaten/raped/killed/whatever because
nobody else is helping them"? What an model of morality you are.

You
know you can at least call the police irl right? Even if you can't
physically stop someone from getting hurt, you can get someone who can.

As
for the game, let me ask you this: if there was a slaver who tried to
capture Varric, or Aveline, or whoever your favorite character is, would
you have stood by and let them?

Well im "i should get out as fast i can before i will be in problems and not let others put their problems on my head"

Yeah police will appear too late anyway they don't solve anything and only one who will have problems will be i because i could pissed off gang or some guy or something and police will consume my time.

That depends on situation if they are indispensable no i wouldn't do that , are they useful well that depends what was more profitable protect them or no , if they aren't useful well i don't know that girl/guy.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 11 décembre 2013 - 01:22 .

[Hazegurl]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

I dont get how people could sell him back into slavery, thats pretty ****ed up

I can understand a person doing it if they remained neutral about the whole thing, supports slavery, or hated him but if the reason is "He supports mage slavery!!!" Then they're just being hypocrites.

Even if they were neutral, selling him back into slavery is still ****ed up.

I agree but I can understand doing it on a "I support slavery/Tevinter/just being an evil bastard playthrough"

Two of My Wardens supported slavery to varying Extents but i don't think any of my Hawke's have.

One of my Hawkes always had peaceful outcomes with slavers unless they attacked him outright. He even took in an elven slave girl. I think that was all I could do to have a slave supporting Hawke.

[Afro_Explosion]

Fenris was a decent character if you get past the brooding,people rag on fenris for having distrust of mages he was slave in the imperium all he knows is the dark side of magic, being around a few good mages wont make him change his ways any faster, and living in crazy kirkwall didn't make it any better.

[Nightdragon8]

mx_keep13 wrote...

Fenris was a decent character if you get past the brooding,people rag on fenris for having distrust of mages he was slave in the imperium all he knows is the dark side of magic, being around a few good mages wont make him change his ways any faster, and living in crazy kirkwall didn't make it any better.

my issue honestly his whole anti-mage with Anders anti-templar talk honestly got to me after the first game.

Anders was okay until all those "manifesto" aroud hawkes place thats when I started to seriously hate the guy.. then he goes and blows up a city block... yea...

While Fenris was broody pretty much the whole way though, you could at least see where he was coming from and what he had been though.

[Hazegurl]

Nightdragon8 wrote...
While Fenris was broody pretty much the whole way though, you could at least see where he was coming from and what he had been though.

Right, even if he has an issue with mages he is by far one of the most trustworthy companions in the group. The only time he betrays Hawke is in the fade and any one of his companions will do the same depending on the type of demon they confront. I admire that he is at least will outright express his views instead of using blackmail, harboring grudges, et al. I also like that he will pack up and split on his own if Hawke doesn't help him. I have a thing for characters who will go off on their own if the PC won't aid them.

[Aaleel]

Hated the character, was my least favorite companion in the game. Brooding pretty much the entire game. I thought his look in general was ridiculous. He was anti slavery but at a point in the game where he barely knows Hawke and has no reason to stay with Hawke you take on a slave right in front of him and he only complains for a moment and moves on. He lost me right there.

I talked to him during my rounds through the companions to see if they had something new to say but I just never liked him at all.

[The Baconer]

Master Warder Z wrote...
"Slavery" is illegal entirely outside of the Imperium.

Is it illegal Antiva, or just a "thing" that happens?

Also, the reason why selling into slavery is so bad is because it's pretty much breaking character for almost everyone involved. With how badly it was handled I honestly believe it shouldn't even have been an option, and this is coming from someone who dislikes Fenris.

[Ap0crypha]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


...In the freindship and rivally path he ultimately admits that "Hawke" is one of the few exceptions to the rule.

He can handle power actually.

So i don't know where you are coming from here.

yeah in end of the game when he spend 2/3 bi*** about my hawke and mages and then he start bi*** about others things like his past damn like anders just more emo than him. 

Ap0crypha wrote...



So, basically, "I should stand
by and let this person be mugged/beaten/raped/killed/whatever because
nobody else is helping them"? What an model of morality you are.

You
know you can at least call the police irl right? Even if you can't
physically stop someone from getting hurt, you can get someone who can.

As
for the game, let me ask you this: if there was a slaver who tried to
capture Varric, or Aveline, or whoever your favorite character is, would
you have stood by and let them?

Well im "i should get out as fast i can before i will be in problems and not let others put their problems on my head"

Yeah police will appear too late anyway they don't solve anything and only one who will have problems will be i because i could pissed off gang or some guy or something and police will consume my time.

That depends on situation if they are indispensable no i wouldn't do that , are they useful well that depends what was more profitable protect them or no , if they aren't useful well i don't know that girl/guy.

...which is pretty much what you're saying everyone else does. Again: not everyone feels that way, and even if other people do, that doesn't make it right.

Ever heard of "treat others like you want to be treated"? Trying to help is better than doing nothing at all just because the police might not show up on time, and wouldn't you want someone to help you if you were in trouble and couldn't get out of it? And how would the aggressor know it was you if you simply made a call, then backed away? If it were someone you knew, would you help then?

Seriously? You'd sell your own companions into slavery just because they're not useful? Nevermind that they've helped you (even if you never bring them anywhere Varric at least helps you get out of Lowtown, Aveline helps you escape the darkspawn, etc.) and would back you up in an instant, nope, you've outlived your usefulness, say hello to slavery because I don't want to get involved.

This is clearly getting off-topic so I'm going to drop it.

Back on-topic:

I wouldn't mind seeing Fenris in a cameo role, but I doubt he's going to get much more than that. There are too many variables (never met, romanced and disappeared with Hawke, re-sold into slavery, killed at the Gallows) for him to have anything super big. If he does show leading slave rebellions or searching for Hawke seem likely, though it might be interesting to see him hanging out with the Qunari.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ap0crypha wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...


...In the freindship and rivally path he ultimately admits that "Hawke" is one of the few exceptions to the rule.

He can handle power actually.

So i don't know where you are coming from here.

yeah in end of the game when he spend 2/3 bi*** about my hawke and mages and then he start bi*** about others things like his past damn like anders just more emo than him. 

Ap0crypha wrote...



So, basically, "I should stand
by and let this person be mugged/beaten/raped/killed/whatever because
nobody else is helping them"? What an model of morality you are.

You
know you can at least call the police irl right? Even if you can't
physically stop someone from getting hurt, you can get someone who can.

As
for the game, let me ask you this: if there was a slaver who tried to
capture Varric, or Aveline, or whoever your favorite character is, would
you have stood by and let them?

Well im "i should get out as fast i can before i will be in problems and not let others put their problems on my head"

Yeah police will appear too late anyway they don't solve anything and only one who will have problems will be i because i could pissed off gang or some guy or something and police will consume my time.

That depends on situation if they are indispensable no i wouldn't do that , are they useful well that depends what was more profitable protect them or no , if they aren't useful well i don't know that girl/guy.

...which is pretty much what you're saying everyone else does. Again: not everyone feels that way, and even if other people do, that doesn't make it right.

Ever heard of "treat others like you want to be treated"? Trying to help is better than doing nothing at all just because the police might not show up on time, and wouldn't you want someone to help you if you were in trouble and couldn't get out of it? And how would the aggressor know it was you if you simply made a call, then backed away? If it were someone you knew, would you help then?

Seriously? You'd sell your own companions into slavery just because they're not useful? Nevermind that they've helped you (even if you never bring them anywhere Varric at least helps you get out of Lowtown, Aveline helps you escape the darkspawn, etc.) and would back you up in an instant, nope, you've outlived your usefulness, say hello to slavery because I don't want to get involved.

This is clearly getting off-topic so I'm going to drop it.

Back on-topic:

I wouldn't mind seeing Fenris in a cameo role, but I doubt he's going to get much more than that. There are too many variables (never met, romanced and disappeared with Hawke, re-sold into slavery, killed at the Gallows) for him to have anything super big. If he does show leading slave rebellions or searching for Hawke seem likely, though it might be interesting to see him hanging out with the Qunari.

Well what is right is up to you and well going for that what is right (morally) only makes things worse for you , thats what peoples do well deal with that you can choose be naive or simple be smart.

"Ever heard of "treat others like you want to be treated"?" Yes i heard that statment which is naive and rarely true because simple others will use you then threating others well have sense only where you have something in it and even then you have to do that cautiously/.That i helped someone doesn't meant that someone will help me in such situation this isn't movie if you end beaten on the street no one will care even if you helped 100 other peoples in such situation so well nope.   

Why not?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Why do people even recruit him if they don't like him? You have the option not to.


Maker knows I'd keep Merrill out of my party if I could choose not to.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 11 décembre 2013 - 03:28 .

[Hellion Rex]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Why do people even recruit him if they don't like him? You have the option not to.


Maker knows I'd keep Merrill out of my party if I could choose not to.

Boooo.

[Bdanowski]

WOW, so surprised so many did not like Fenris. He was by far my favorite character, Except for Hawke of course. I loved the interactions with him and the others in the group. I do agree that with all of the variables it would be better if he was only part of a side quest and not a major role in Inquisition, but that would only be cool if it went with what we all did with his character in dragonage 2. If they get that right, everyone would then get what they want in the storyline with Fenris, and all the other characters for that matter. I did not really hate any of the characters...closest would of been Merrill because her selfishness got her keeper and entire clan killed. I like Fenris because of the complexity with his character. I am hopeful that Inquisition will make the interactions with the group members very complex, and your actions with them meaningful. That is my favorite thing about dragonage, being able to build friendships and rivalry’s with your party members. I agree I would like the outcomes of those interactions to effect the game more in the direction I chose. Like I said, if they get that right, the game would be awesome.