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[AlanC9]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Someone demanding that IT be canonized deserves respect?

I wrote a bit of an essay there (sorry, all) but I could've sworn I said the opposite.

You did. That was supposed to come in before your post.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Gotcha.

[CronoDragoon]

I don't know about the starting fresh part. If you're doing an alternate universe...why not just do a new IP? I get that people love this universe, but people loved the Star Wars universe, too, and Mass Effect was a new IP right after that.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't know about the starting fresh part. If you're doing an alternate universe...why not just do a new IP? I get that people love this universe, but people loved the Star Wars universe, too, and Mass Effect was a new IP right after that.

Well, it's a bit easier from a financial/time perspective. You don't have to worry about designing a new setting from scratch.

[NeonFlux117]

IT won't be used. Bioware doesn't have the ballz nor the skill to do something amazing like that.

It will be an alternate timeline/character in the same universe as Shep and crew.

[Andr0idOS]

I wonder what the next ME will be about. Personally, I'm hoping for a game set in the Protheans time, it would be like Halo:Reach you know your fighting a losing battle but the story is worth the losing effort. It could even end with Javik's acquisition scene in ME3, Javik get's into the stasis pod at the end of the game and wakes up to see Shepard/Liara standing over top of him and the game ends.

Anyone else? I think it would be epic to see how the Protheans lasted 300 years against the Reapers when in ME3 campaign I do believe it's said the current cycle would last 100 at most without the Crucible. (Or am I pulling that out of my ass? I don't remember)

Plus sending the star of the Zha'til into supernova would be an AWESOME cutscene.

Modifié par Andr0idOS, 23 juillet 2013 - 08:52 .

[shingara]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't know about the starting fresh part. If you're doing an alternate universe...why not just do a new IP? I get that people love this universe, but people loved the Star Wars universe, too, and Mass Effect was a new IP right after that.

Well, it's a bit easier from a financial/time perspective. You don't have to worry about designing a new setting from scratch.

 They wont start fresh fresh whatever they do, i personaly think most the stuff there 'leaking' isnt true, every lie has 5% truth and all that. They do use there enviroments across alot of games, you can see alot of mass effect world in star wars for example the new one included.

 With the new one being on frostbite and EA spreading so many games across the FB engine i see alot of enviroments and techniques being shared. I personaly dont think they would dare say who is in or out if any of the old crew and npcs simply cos people would scream foul that there fav wasnt in.

 But i dunno, maybe im a sceptic but when bioware these days leak something i always think the opposite cos thats what normally happens.

[Pee Jae]

What? Nobody?

Pre-order cancelled!

[The Twilight God]

chemiclord wrote...

Gee, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable and rational approach. 

You joke, but it is very much a reasonable and rational approach. Not that what I choose to buy or not buy is subject to your approval.

chemiclord wrote...

 "Give me everything I want and nothing I don't, to hell with anyone else, OR I'M DONE WITH YOU BIOWARE!!!!11!!!"

Where is it said that they must give me "everything I want"? Where do I list what constitutes this supposed "everything I wants"?

Exactly.

Besides, they'd have to fire Walters and overhaul ME2 and ME3 (possible expanding the story to require a 4th installment)  to give me everything I want. "Everything I want" is not on the table.

The story and lore were dragged through the mud by Walters. I have never asked for anything but a coherent ending and game that adheres to its own rules, lore and remains narratively consistent. That is, imo, the BARE MINIMUM. ME3 does not even possess the bare minimum if Bioware does anything outside of what I stated (leviathan storyline excluded). If they want to produce a series that goes the route of the old batman movies... well, duh, of course I'm done with Bioware. This isn't some ultimatum to Bioware. It's just a stated fact regarding how I will or will not spend my money.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 23 juillet 2013 - 10:57 .

[chemiclord]

The Twilight God wrote...

Besides, they'd have to fire Walters and overhaul ME2 and ME3 (possible expanding the story to require a 4th installment)  to give me everything I want. "Everything I want" is not on the table.

The story and lore were dragged through the mud by Walters. I have never asked for anything but a coherent ending and game that adheres to its own rules, lore and remains narratively consistent. That is, imo, the BARE MINIMUM. ME3 does not even possess the bare minimum if Bioware does anything outside of what I stated. If they want to produce a series that goes the route of the old batman movies... well, duh, of course I'm done with Bioware. This isn't some ultimatum to Bioware. It's just a stated fact regarding how I will or will not spend my money.

You said you would only buy their next game if it continued along your personal headcanon, and not just that, but also spit in the face of any ending that wasn't yours.  That is not reasonable, no matter what you claim.

On top of that, you damn well know (at least I hope you do), that Bioware isn't even CONSIDERING any of your demands.  You already know that you aren't going to get what you want.  EVER.

So why the hell are you still here other than you want to be pissed off?  Because that's the only reason I can think of that you would continue to log into a place that you KNOW is going to anger you.

Modifié par chemiclord, 23 juillet 2013 - 10:58 .

[David7204]

Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. Clearly looking for someone to blame. Incredibly foolish.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

chemiclord wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Besides, they'd have to fire Walters and overhaul ME2 and ME3 (possible expanding the story to require a 4th installment)  to give me everything I want. "Everything I want" is not on the table.

The story and lore were dragged through the mud by Walters. I have never asked for anything but a coherent ending and game that adheres to its own rules, lore and remains narratively consistent. That is, imo, the BARE MINIMUM. ME3 does not even possess the bare minimum if Bioware does anything outside of what I stated. If they want to produce a series that goes the route of the old batman movies... well, duh, of course I'm done with Bioware. This isn't some ultimatum to Bioware. It's just a stated fact regarding how I will or will not spend my money.

You said you would only buy their next game if it continued along your personal headcanon, and not just that, but also spit in the face of any ending that wasn't yours.  That is not reasonable, no matter what you claim.

On top of that, you damn well know (at least I hope you do), that Bioware isn't even CONSIDERING any of your demands.  You already know that you aren't going to get what you want.  EVER.

So why the hell are you still here other than you WANT to be pissed off?

I'm still lost at where Shepard enters the picture of a story being narratively coherent. Or how IT is viewed as the most narratively coherent ending.

[The Twilight God]

chemiclord wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Besides, they'd have to fire Walters and overhaul ME2 and ME3 (possible expanding the story to require a 4th installment)  to give me everything I want. "Everything I want" is not on the table.

The story and lore were dragged through the mud by Walters. I have never asked for anything but a coherent ending and game that adheres to its own rules, lore and remains narratively consistent. That is, imo, the BARE MINIMUM. ME3 does not even possess the bare minimum if Bioware does anything outside of what I stated. If they want to produce a series that goes the route of the old batman movies... well, duh, of course I'm done with Bioware. This isn't some ultimatum to Bioware. It's just a stated fact regarding how I will or will not spend my money.

You said you would only buy their next game if it continued along your personal headcanon, and not just that, but also spit in the face of any ending that wasn't yours.  That is not reasonable, no matter what you claim.

On top of that, you damn well know (at least I hope you do), that Bioware isn't even CONSIDERING any of your demands.  You already know that you aren't going to get what you want.  EVER.

So why the hell are you still here other than you WANT to be pissed off?

In order to maintain narrative consistency, lore, story etc. those ending simply aren't viable. Ergo, I personally would not purchase a game that continued such a downward spiral. Rather you like those endings, despite there flaws, isn't relevant. They are objectively inconsistent. Now, obviously, at this time I have no plans to buy any future bioware games. Nor do I think Bioware is reading this thread intently or that they are going to do anything to address their mistakes. This is a discussion forum. We are here sharing thoughts amongst each other. Why it has to be more than that to you I don't know.

You assume I'm "pissed off" because I don't like or disagree with something? You are aware some people can have grievances without being irately angry, right? I made my peace last year. Doesn't mean I can't add my thoughts.

[The Twilight God]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Besides, they'd have to fire Walters and overhaul ME2 and ME3 (possible expanding the story to require a 4th installment)  to give me everything I want. "Everything I want" is not on the table.

The story and lore were dragged through the mud by Walters. I have never asked for anything but a coherent ending and game that adheres to its own rules, lore and remains narratively consistent. That is, imo, the BARE MINIMUM. ME3 does not even possess the bare minimum if Bioware does anything outside of what I stated. If they want to produce a series that goes the route of the old batman movies... well, duh, of course I'm done with Bioware. This isn't some ultimatum to Bioware. It's just a stated fact regarding how I will or will not spend my money.

You said you would only buy their next game if it continued along your personal headcanon, and not just that, but also spit in the face of any ending that wasn't yours.  That is not reasonable, no matter what you claim.

On top of that, you damn well know (at least I hope you do), that Bioware isn't even CONSIDERING any of your demands.  You already know that you aren't going to get what you want.  EVER.

So why the hell are you still here other than you WANT to be pissed off?

I'm still lost at where Shepard enters the picture of a story being narratively coherent. Or how IT is viewed as the most narratively coherent ending.

No, Shepard isn't required for any future ME games. Although they would have to address his fate, dead or alive, is more what I meant to say. His part in history is just too big.

And I do not believe in IT and have argued against it on multiple occasions.

[chemiclord]

The Twilight God wrote...

In order to maintain narrative consistency, lore, story etc. those ending simply aren't viable. Ergo, I personally would not purchase a game that continued such a downward spiral. Rather you like those endings, despite there flaws, isn't relevant. They are objectively inconsistent. Now, obviously, at this time I have no plans to buy any future bioware games. Nor do I think Bioware is reading this thread intently or that they are going to do anything to address their mistakes. This is a discussion forum. We are here sharing thoughts amongst each other. Why it has to be more than that to you I don't know.

You assume I'm "pissed off" because I don't like or disagree with something? You are aware some people can have grievances without being irately angry, right? I made my peace last year. Doesn't mean I can't add my thoughts.

Another person who assumes I like that disaster of ending even though I've demonstrated repeatedly I find them to be largely garbage.  Is there a level of personal hurt or anguish I have to meet or something before I can be in the club?

What you are doing in this thread isn't discussion.  It's venting.  You don't make a post that angrily shoots off a list of demands then claim you've "made peace" with it; because you clearly haven't.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

The Twilight God wrote...

No, Shepard isn't required for any future ME games. Although they would have to address his fate, dead or alive, is more what I meant to say. His part in history is just too big.

Okay, that's a tad more understandable.

And I do not believe in IT and have argued against it on multiple occasions.

A bit confused here. Didn't you say that Control/Synthesis would have to be confirmed as indoctrinations? 

[The Twilight God]

chemiclord wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

In order to maintain narrative consistency, lore, story etc. those ending simply aren't viable. Ergo, I personally would not purchase a game that continued such a downward spiral. Rather you like those endings, despite there flaws, isn't relevant. They are objectively inconsistent. Now, obviously, at this time I have no plans to buy any future bioware games. Nor do I think Bioware is reading this thread intently or that they are going to do anything to address their mistakes. This is a discussion forum. We are here sharing thoughts amongst each other. Why it has to be more than that to you I don't know.

You assume I'm "pissed off" because I don't like or disagree with something? You are aware some people can have grievances without being irately angry, right? I made my peace last year. Doesn't mean I can't add my thoughts.

Another person who assumes I like that disaster of ending even though I've demonstrated repeatedly I find them to be largely garbage.  Is there a level of personal hurt or anguish I have to meet or something before I can be in the club?

What you are doing in this thread isn't discussion.  It's venting.  You don't make a post that angrily shoots off a list of demands then claim you've "made peace" with it; because you clearly haven't.

Where is this illusive "list of demands" that only you can see. You mean my personal preferences on what I'm willing to spend my money on? Those "demands"? And who exactly am I demanding fulfill the "list's" demands? You? Who am I addressing these so-called demands too?

Well, if you are going to dictate my intention there is nothing more to be said. Clearly, you are omniscient and beyond us mere mortals. 

Modifié par The Twilight God, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:41 .

[The Twilight God]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

No, Shepard isn't required for any future ME games. Although they would have to address his fate, dead or alive, is more what I meant to say. His part in history is just too big.

Okay, that's a tad more understandable.

And I do not believe in IT and have argued against it on multiple occasions.

A bit confused here. Didn't you say that Control/Synthesis would have to be confirmed as indoctrinations? 

That is not what IT is.

Indoctrination theory (IT): It's all a dream. Nothing after Harbinger's laser blast happens. ALL endings never happened and the breath scene is Shepard still on Earth in front of the Conduit. (thoroughly debunked)

Deception theory: It all happens, but you are deceived into assuming something when the actual events don't confirm those assumptions; And, in fact, in-game events prove otherwise. This theory assumes the writers aren't complete F-ups and that things make actual sense.

Two different things. The Reapers' ability to indoctrinate is an inherent facet of ME's lore. This idea that the mere usage of the word or the mere reality of reaper indoctrination within the ME universe is synonymous with IT needs to stop.

[chemiclord]

The Twilight God wrote...

Where is this illusive "list of demands" that only you can see. You mean my personal preferences on what I'm willing to spend my money on? Those demands? And who exactly am I demanding fulfill the "list's" demands? You? Who am I addressing these so-called demands too?

Well, if you are going to dictate my intention there is nothing more to be said. Clearly, you are omniscient and beyond us mere mortals. 

I jus' calls 'em as I sees 'em.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

Your list of demands?  Did you forget your post or something?

1) You demand that ME4 canonize Destroy.

2) You demand that ME4 institute some form of deception or indoctrination or whatever as canon, and that Control, Synthesis, and Refuse be outright rejected (on grounds of narrative consistency), which I find laughable.  Not the demand for narrative consistency, mind, but the idea that there was ANYTHING in that ending to be narratively consistent WITH (IT has it's own share of flaws, for the record... most notably that it means ME3 ended with no resolution to the conflict... which would be fairly odd for the third part of a trilogy).

3) You demanded Shepard's be represented in a non-player capacity (which I see you've clarified more).

Otherwise you wouldn't spend your money.

But ya know what... all that above isn't the issue, really.  Whether I think your demands are reasonable or not isn't even the issue.  The problem is that I think you KNOW that ME4 has exactly 0% chance of doing ANY of those things you want to see.  You will ONLY be angered and disappointed with what they will eventually offer, and you know it.

So... why even bother?  Why get worked up and fan those flames?  Walk away, man.  It's just not worth it.

Modifié par chemiclord, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:41 .

[The Twilight God]

chemiclord wrote...

I jus' calls 'em as I sees 'em.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

Get your eyes checked.

chemiclord wrote...

Your list of demands?  Did you forget your post or something?

1) You demand that ME4 canonize Destroy.

2) You demand that ME4 institute IT as canon, and that Control, Synthesis, and Refuse be outright rejected (on grounds of narrative consistency), which I find laughable.  Not the demand for narrative consistency, mind, but the idea that there was ANYTHING in that ending to be narratively consistent WITH (IT has it's own share of flaws, for the record... most notably that it means ME3 ended with no resolution to the conflict... which would be fairly odd for the third part of a trilogy).

3) You demanded Shepard's be represented in a non-player capacity (which I see you've clarified more).

Otherwise you wouldn't spend your money.

But ya know what... all that above isn't the issue, really.  Whether I think your demands are reasonable or not isn't even the issue.  The problem is that I think you KNOW that ME4 has exactly 0% chance of doing ANY of those things you want to see.  You will ONLY be angered and disappointed with what they will eventually offer, and you know it.

So... why even bother?  Why get worked up and fan those flames?  Walk away, man.  It's just not worth it.

I didn't demand anything. I stated what needs to happen for me to invest my cash into the ME franchise.

Last I checked I, as a consumer, have that right of discernment. When you here about a new Sony TV and it doesn't have a certain input connector, are you making demands to Sony when you say you won't buy said TV? Are you venting? Or are you just stating facts?

And also, last I checked, demands are made toward an entity. Who am I demanding exactly? Bioware makes ME and I don't see any devs posting here nor did I state, "Dear Devs" at the start of any post.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:49 .

[Espache]

Shepard

[Bourne Endeavor]

KaiserShep wrote...

I imagine canonizing synthesis would be the opposite of being friendly to old and new players.

No, however BioWare seems to fancy it the idealized world and the Catalyst does foreshadow its inevitability. Thus, Synthesis is the only "ending" you can arguably justify as canon, at least if they go x amount of years into the future.

[chemiclord]

The Twilight God wrote...
I didn't demand anything. I stated what needs to happen for me to invest my cash into the ME franchise.

Fine.  Let's end this bickering on semantics.

Since you KNOW that ME4 has no chance whatsoever of meeting what you need to see happen... continuing to post here about it seems like a very odd way to show your lack of investment in the series.

[ShepnTali]

Wrex