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[Dieb]

Hey everybody,

Something I'd care for some commentary on.

Firstly, I do realize how the title alone ensures this to be a tap dance in a minefield. I am, however, no "-mancer" of any kind, and I would like to keep the sportsteam fan-attitude at a minimum in this discussion.

So just for the heck of it, I'm currently doing the first playthrough in which I'm not absolutely ignoring Miranda. I usually never talk to her after her loyality mission, which I also only complete for completeness' sake.

This time around, I granted her the benefit of the doubt the first time, and took her on missions more often. She really is a beast on the battlefield, I have to say. While I'm quite sure that the basic combat AI works the same for every squad member, I somehow can't shake the feeling she never really gets downed at all. The fact that she's capable of both Warp and Overload truly makes her the swiss army knife of companions - when teamed up with Zaeed or Tali, it makes for the ultimate crowd control.

Now for the juicy stuff:
I even pursued her romance path, of all things. (My canon Shepard doesn't romance anyone, for that matter)
I have to admit, I really liked the dynamic of the romance overall. On the one hand, the real duality between attraction and reluctancy for professional reasons was what I would have been missing in the other romances. Really, even though I think I choose the "romantic" path, the Renegade kiss scene truly had me smile there. Sufficiently "realistic" amount of back-and-forth, so to speak. On the other hand, there is the discovery about the true origins of her loyality towards Cerberus, and finally -at least the way I played and perceived it- Miranda basically transferring her loyality from someone who exploited her well-hidden vulnerability for trust, onto someone who actually earned it. I really liked the scene when I witnessed her "quit" Cerberus after the final battle. It might sound cheesy, but this kinda made it also her victory over her own demons, in a way.
Curiously enough, as I played ME2 for the first time, I was kind of expecting the "twist" that Miranda is the character to stab me in the back as the story progresses, and TIM was the good, trustworthy guy all along.

The only thing I was really disappointed about, was actually the "romance scene" itself.
I mean seriously, that was just rough sex. Don't get me wrong here, beautiful women in scarce clothing naturally score somewhere between oxygen and freedom. It's just after the entire romance arc being about the delicate process of looking underneath her tough front and building up an emotional connection, and also in comparison to all the other "romance scenes" that include a lengthy, emotional conversation at the beginning... I actually reloaded the first time, because I thought I accidentally hit the "Jack"-esque, "get-laid-quick-scheme"-path at some point.

With that being said, I'm looking forward to her role in ME3 a lot more now. Especially now that her suddenly leaving Cerberus makes some sense at last.


So, that was me. Now just remember, be nice to one another!

Modifié par Baelrahn, 18 juillet 2013 - 11:14 .

[o Ventus]

I came in here thinking it was another mindless bash thread. I commend you for showing me otherwise.

To be completely honest, I actually kind of like that her romance scene is mostly sex (but not for those reasons). It shows that she can have her emotional development (which is the main part of the romance anyway), but she also enjoys a good every now and again. Not that the other romances don't, it's just more apparent for Miranda. All said, I don't much like Miranda's interactions in ME3. Neither her nor Shepard make very many intelligent moves when they talk to each other. Regardless, her content in the Citadel DLC is fantastic.

Nitpick: Miranda doesn't have Reave in ME2 (you are talking about ME2 in that part?). She has Overload, Warp, and Slam (loyalty power). She gets Reave in the Armax Arena. Speaking of which, her power set in the Arena is top notch. She retains Warp and Overload, and gains Incinerate and Reave. She can strip all kinds of defenses (and can set up/detonate all of the different power combos), AND she can Reave tank. She has probably the most diverse power set in ME3, I feel. Just a shame that the talent points are bugged for her and all the other ME2 characters + Wrex.

Modifié par BioWareMod01, 18 juillet 2013 - 01:50 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

true,if you can ignore her ugly face....

[Zazzerka]

She's a godsend when paired with Thane against Collectors, I'll give her that.

BARRIERS WHAT?

[Kataphrut94]

I wouldn't call that 'rough sex'. They were still wearing their clothes for god's sake. Though that's standard for Mass Effect I suppose.

She doesn't have as much screen-time in Mass Effect 3 as she did in 2, but what she has is pretty good. Aside from leaving Cerberus, she's gains a surprising amount of modesty and compassion, two traits I felt she sorely lacked in ME2. Plus, if you do her date in Citadel, you get to use the Paragon dialogue option '[Seduce']', which should be commended for being the most straightforward approach to romancing in any of these games.

[Dieb]

o Ventus wrote...
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Of course I meant Warp, sorry. Corrected that in the OP.

That's interesting about her appearance in ME3's Armax Arsenal Arena, I never had the chance to have her fight there so far. She died, apparently because she refused to at least tell me what she needed confidential Alliance resources for. (Wow, didn't Shepard kill people for less.)

Modifié par Baelrahn, 18 juillet 2013 - 11:14 .

[KaiserShep]

Fitting that touting her as possessing advanced biotics and genetics makes her one of the more effective and versatile squad members.

[o Ventus]

Baelrahn wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
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Of course I meant Warp, sorry. Corrected that in the OP.

That's interesting about her appearance in ME3's Armax Arsenal Arena, I never had the chance to have her fight there so far. She died, apparently because she refused to at least tell me what she needed confidential Alliance resources for. (Wow, didn't Shepard kill people for less.)

That would be one of the unintelligent moves I talked about.

[KaiserShep]

StreetMagic wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

She's a godsend when paired with Thane against Collectors, I'll give her that.

BARRIERS WHAT?

Yeah, I don't know why some people think Thane is useless. He was bred to kill Collectors.

If Thane was able to slink about the battlefield and snap necks, kind of like a Drell equivalent of Kasumi's shadow strike, I'd take him on most of the missions. As it is, I take him on one at the most. 

I really hope we get another Drell assassin of some sort in ME4/whatever.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 18 juillet 2013 - 11:17 .

[HellbirdIV]

I've ended up using Miranda a lot on Insanity difficulty because Overload and Warp helps a lot when everything has defenses.

My current FemShep is Anti-Cerberus Paragon Infiltrator, and I find I like Miranda a little more when you take the hardcore Anti-Cerberus, Paragon Good Guy route because it feels like Miranda and FemShep have a good friendship going, perhaps a lot more so than if you sympathize with Cerberus as you connect on a personal rather than professional level.

StreetMagic wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

She's a godsend when paired with Thane against Collectors, I'll give her that.

BARRIERS WHAT?

Yeah, I don't know why some people think Thane is useless. He was bred to kill Collectors.

Samara with Dat Reave, though. I might take Thane and Samara for the Suicide Mission this time... I'm sure Jack can handle the Biotic Bubble without help. Unlike certain Cerberus cheerleaders.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 18 juillet 2013 - 11:19 .

[Dieb]

Well, no squadmate is useless at any rate. It just depends on your style of playing.

For example, I play an Infiltrator with Group Disruptor Ammo who also has Group Warp Ammo as a bonus power. So it's really just about who I feel like having around at that point.

While we're at it: Any good tips on how to use Slam properly?
Aside from taking a single opponent out of the fight for a few seconds, contrary to Miranda's furious battle cries accompanying it, I don't seem to be able to cause a lot of the anticipated mayhem with it.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 18 juillet 2013 - 11:27 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

I've played ME2 three times and i've never picked thane as a squadmate on a mission

[KaiserShep]

It's easy to skip over him. There are better biotics to pick from, and Garrus can handle a sniper rifle also.

[HellbirdIV]

Yeah I find Thane, Grunt and Jacob all get very little groundtime. Tali as well is pretty mediocre until she gets Energy Drain, but at least bringing her along gets some more interesting dialogue when dealing with geth.

As much as I disliked the much reduced squad size in ME3, ME2s felt a little bloated by contrast.

[Dieb]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

I wouldn't call that 'rough sex'. They were still wearing their clothes for god's sake. Though that's standard for Mass Effect I suppose.

She doesn't have as much screen-time in Mass Effect 3 as she did in 2, but what she has is pretty good. Aside from leaving Cerberus, she's gains a surprising amount of modesty and compassion, two traits I felt she sorely lacked in ME2. Plus, if you do her date in Citadel, you get to use the Paragon dialogue option '[Seduce']', which should be commended for being the most straightforward approach to romancing in any of these games.

Well, the clothes thing never bothered me. It's unnecessary waste of resources to create nude models of each and every character, just for the off-chance of the player deciding to unwrap 'em. Everything about the love scenes is just indications; I don't need to see detail to see what they're getting at.

That being said, my whole point was, that even in ME2  she does indeed have a surprising amount of compassion and I'd say an almost dangerous amount of modesty. At least when it comes to her own life.

[KaiserShep]

Tali was a tank when leveled up in ME1. In 2, she was useful for her hacking during hers and Legion's loyalty missions. With both her and Legion at max hacking ability, it was like having a geth hacked ****fight down in the mainframe level. See who's hacked geth can win the shootout. She's at her best when the primary enemies are synthetics. I never took her on any mission that was non-geth related in the entire trilogy.

[Dieb]

KaiserShep wrote...

Tali was a tank when leveled up in ME1. In 2, she was useful for her hacking during hers and Legion's loyalty missions. With both her and Legion at max hacking ability, it was like having a geth hacked ****fight down in the mainframe level. See who's hacked geth can win the shootout. She's at her best when the primary enemies are synthetics. I never took her on any mission that was non-geth related in the entire trilogy.

Don't mean to be condescending, just as a maybe helpful hint: Tali's main power is Chikktika, her drone.

That's what makes her extremly versatile and useful against any kind of enemy - especially groups led by big opponents, with large pools of health. The drone will instantly draw all aggro away from the squad on itself once it's spawned. Just keep spamming the drone on the toughest enemy of a group, and take them out one after the other, more or less entirely unattended.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 18 juillet 2013 - 11:48 .

[Guy On The Moon]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

true,if you can ignore her ugly face....

-_______-

If you honestly think Yvonne Strahovski is ugly I wanna see the chicks you think are attractive

[Foolsfolly]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Yeah I find Thane, Grunt and Jacob all get very little groundtime. Tali as well is pretty mediocre until she gets Energy Drain, but at least bringing her along gets some more interesting dialogue when dealing with geth.

As much as I disliked the much reduced squad size in ME3, ME2s felt a little bloated by contrast.

I love Grunt. I love his character. I love his health. I love that he charges enemies that get in melee range. In fact, he's probably the best shotgunner squadmate in the game.

But I never use him. His skillset is so close quarters combat specific and... ME2 only has Husks that are melee enemies. And those guys are easier dealt with via biotics or Neural Shock. Unless you're on the harder difficulties.

Jacob likewise gets little play time with me. I get that if properly leveled he's a decent early crowd controller. But I either do that job (and better) or I don't need his type of crowd control.

Tali's magnificant in ME1 and really decent in ME3. In ME2? She stays on the ship because she's puny and weak. And when I have to bring her she uses a pistol to keep her from dying so damn much.

Thane? +50% damage bonus passive, plus Warp, plus Throw and Shredder Ammo? The guy's a beast against Collectors, Eclipse, Husks, and generally has a good suvivability in any mission.

Kasumi... I like her. I like her a lot. I like Flashbang and I like Shadowstrike. For reasons I cannot ever properly explain I never bring her anywhere.

[Dieb]

Guy On The Moon wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

true,if you can ignore her ugly face....

-_______-

If you honestly think Yvonne Strahovski is ugly I wanna see the chicks you think are attractive

Let's just not go down that road people, shall we?