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[Sir DeLoria]

Shep can always adopt Jonah.

[Han Shot First]

HellbirdIV wrote...

You know, if Saren can grow an entire army of krogan clones, I think Miranda can have as many babies as she'd like, with the added benefit of not having to carry them around in her gut for 9 months.

Considering all the issues Miranda has with the nature of her own conception, I don't think she'd be too keen on a test tube baby.

[CrutchCricket]

Or, it could be her way of overcoming those issues.

Given some of the medical advancements hinted at today, let alone what's available in the Mass Effect Universe, the whole infertility thing is laughably easy to ignore.

[KaiserShep]

Project Lazarus alone makes all of this crap inconsequential.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Guy On The Moon wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

im glad people still have fun here

Dude how's your supermodel girlfriend doing by the way???

she's doing great,better than your imaginary waifu

[Guy On The Moon]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Guy On The Moon wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

im glad people still have fun here

Dude how's your supermodel girlfriend doing by the way???

she's doing great,better than your imaginary waifu

Cool bro, don't know exactly what a waifu is.  Not obsessed with Japanese anime 

[Steelcan]

Guy On The Moon wrote...


Cool bro, don't know exactly what a waifu is.  Not obsessed with Japanese anime 

It has little to do with anime, it applies to all media forms.

[AlexMBrennan]

Given some of the medical advancements hinted at today, let alone what's available in the Mass Effect Universe, the whole infertility thing is laughably easy to ignore.

If that was the case then it wouldn't have come up at all, unless you want her to be magically cured when cyber Jesus gaze rests upon her.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Guy On The Moon wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Guy On The Moon wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

im glad people still have fun here

Dude how's your supermodel girlfriend doing by the way???

she's doing great,better than your imaginary waifu

Cool bro, don't know exactly what a waifu is.  Not obsessed with Japanese anime 

oh you didn't know?Waifu=Wife in japanese.It's usually used to display someone's unhealthy attraction to fictional characters

Modifié par IntelligentME3Fanboy, 18 juillet 2013 - 09:00 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...

I can paraphrase it. He said the sex was a way at asserting control after leaving her father, not connected with the infertility. Suffice to say, I don't think the actual text supports it and I believe in death of the author.

So why ask for it, if you're going to keep going with your interpretation anyway?

I know you didn't ask for it, but neither you and Ieldra have budged from this position for all this time despite what Jay has said. I think it was brought up in the group (I tried to find it but haven't yet) and it didn't change your mind much then, so why would it do so now?

Ah, I recall. I could forget about this element of Miranda's LotSB dossier did not ME3 emphasize the same direction of her character development. Oriana, Oriana, then ignoring the real issues at the encounter with her father, then the death scene, the Citadel conversations. I don't know how you manage to ignore all that. So many explicit suggestions in one direction, and almost none in the other except some off-screen references.

BTW, I'm not talking about Miranda as I envision her or might feel forced to after ME3. I'm pretty good at interpreting my way out of things I don't like on a personal level. I just think it's selective blindness to claim all that stuff doesn't exist or has no narrative significance for her character development. 

[CrutchCricket]

AlexMBrennan wrote...
If that was the case then it wouldn't have come up at all, unless you want her to be magically cured when cyber Jesus gaze rests upon her.

Not the first time a writer's failed to account for details in their universe, and certainly not the last.

No magic involved, just science. What Miranda has is almost curable today, let alone a hundred years from now when they're bringing people back from the dead.

[HellbirdIV]

Han Shot First wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

You know, if Saren can grow an entire army of krogan clones, I think Miranda can have as many babies as she'd like, with the added benefit of not having to carry them around in her gut for 9 months.

Considering all the issues Miranda has with the nature of her own conception, I don't think she'd be too keen on a test tube baby.

I don't see why she would.

A proper clone is unmodified and different only in where it develops - hell, with some surgery you could have an artificially concieved child still develop inside the mother.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Ah, I recall. I could forget about this element of Miranda's LotSB dossier did not ME3 emphasize the same direction of her character development. Oriana, Oriana, then ignoring the real issues at the encounter with her father, then the death scene, the Citadel conversations. I don't know how you manage to ignore all that. So many explicit suggestions in one direction, and almost none in the other except some off-screen references.

BTW, I'm not talking about Miranda as I envision her or might feel forced to after ME3. I'm pretty good at interpreting my way out of things I don't like on a personal level. I just think it's selective blindness to claim all that stuff doesn't exist or has no narrative significance for her character development. 

It's not about ignoring, it's about the simplest explanation, which isn't some conspiracy, but rather simplification itself in the pursuit of quickly and cheaply striking an emotional cord with new or otherwise clueless players.

A rehash of the loyalty mission, generic and utterly uninspired conversations in private (apart from the control chip which most of us have already come to terms with), a possible last-minute decision to not kill her off after all to avoid fan rage, and there you have it: Miranda's "grand" appearance in this final installment of our saga. Alternate intent need not apply.

There are no "explicit suggestions of character development" because there is no character development. Token appearances and effort only. Miranda was ignored, apart from the bare minimum necessary to keep her fanbase from exploding. That they miscalculated even that is just one of many mistakes in this game.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 18 juillet 2013 - 09:15 .

[Han Shot First]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Ah, I recall. I could forget about this element of Miranda's LotSB dossier did not ME3 emphasize the same direction of her character development. Oriana, Oriana, then ignoring the real issues at the encounter with her father, then the death scene, the Citadel conversations. I don't know how you manage to ignore all that. So many explicit suggestions in one direction, and almost none in the other except some off-screen references.

BTW, I'm not talking about Miranda as I envision her or might feel forced to after ME3. I'm pretty good at interpreting my way out of things I don't like on a personal level. I just think it's selective blindness to claim all that stuff doesn't exist or has no narrative significance for her character development. 

It's not about ignoring, it's about the simplest explanation, which isn't some conspiracy, but rather simplification itself in the pursuit of quickly and cheaply striking an emotional cord with new or otherwise clueless players.

A rehash of the loyalty mission, generic and utterly uninspired conversations in private (apart from the control chip which most of us have already come to terms with), a possible last-minute decision to not kill her off after all to avoid fan rage, and there you have it: Miranda's "grand" appearance in this final installment of our saga. Alternate intent need not apply.

There are no "explicit suggestions of character development" because there is no character development. Token appearances and effort only. Miranda was ignored, apart from the bare minimum necessary to keep her fanbase from exploding. That they miscalculated even that is just one of many mistakes in this game.

Miranda actually got a decent amount of content in ME3. Of course she didn't get as much screen time and dialogue as LIs who were actually on the squad in ME3, but that was to be expected. Compared to the other ME2 LIs who didn't make the squad however, Miranda got a lot more content.

The main problem with Miranda was that her content was boring, not that she didn't get enough of it. Instead of playing some role in opposing TIM and rallying disaffected, unindoctrinated members of Cerberus, she's busy rehashing her ME2 loyalty mission and still apologizing for the control chip she told Shepard about in ME2.

[o Ventus]

Necanor wrote...

Shep can always adopt Jonah.

Tali does, in my headcanon.

[CrutchCricket]

Han Shot First wrote...
Miranda actually got a decent amount of content in ME3. Of course she didn't get as much screen time and dialogue as LIs who were actually on the squad in ME3, but that was to be expected. Compared to the other ME2 LIs who didn't make the squad however, Miranda got a lot more content.

The main problem with Miranda was that her content was boring, not that she didn't get enough of it. Instead of playing some role in opposing TIM and rallying disaffected, unindoctrinated members of Cerberus, she's busy rehashing her ME2 loyalty mission and still apologizing for the control chip she told Shepard about in ME2.

Exactly. The problem is quality, not quantity. We always want more quantity, but you can stilll do more with less. Case in point: Jack. Never mind whether that leap is plausible, Jack had crazy character development with less content.

[o Ventus]

Guy On The Moon wrote...

By the way, I just learned Miranda can't have kids 0_____0

That sucks...for Shepard anyway!

If you believe the medical dossier.

The medical dossier that describes something which isn even a problem. Miranda's infertility is caused by benign neoplasia. That can be fixed wih TODAY'S medical technology, I hardly see I as a problem 170 years in the future. All in all, it's easy to ignore that medical file. Headcanoning a fix for her infertility takes no effort whatsoever, if you choose to.

You would think that for a company founded by doctors, that they would be better with how they handle illnesses and disabilities, and not just for Miranda.

Modifié par o Ventus, 18 juillet 2013 - 09:30 .

[Sir DeLoria]

o Ventus wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Shep can always adopt Jonah.

Tali does, in my headcanon.

Good. Poor kid, the fates of his parents were some of the saddest moments in the trilogy.

Since Shep and Tali are together in my headcanon, Shala takes care of him.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote... 
I disagree about her face. Just as I'm sure you and I disagree about the attractiveness of aliens, like Tali for example. This is perspective and cannot be objectively argued. This point is irrelevant.

What's so bad about aliens, what difference does it make from what world someone is? And hey, Tali does have the prettiest face of all the LIs. I guess some people just don't like her glowy eyes.

It makes all the difference in the world. Pan-sexuality is a myth. There's all this talk about personality counting when it comes to choosing a mate. Falling in love with who they are, not what they are. I think it completely fails to take human disposition and preference into account.

Aliens aren't human. 

I'm not attracted to non-humans. I'm sexually repulsed by them.

I disagree completely. I think her face is revolting, but that's just me. Glowy eyes is one 

[CrutchCricket]

Who the hell is Jonah?

[o Ventus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Who the hell is Jonah?

A background quarian kid orphaned in ME3. His mother is killed on the Alarei, and his father dies from hos injuries on Rannoch (you can talk to him; his name is Dorn'Hazt).

Modifié par o Ventus, 18 juillet 2013 - 09:38 .

[CrutchCricket]

Then why do you call him Jonah if his name is Dorn'Hazt?

Nevermind I just got it.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 18 juillet 2013 - 09:44 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

CrutchCricket wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I'll let XKCD illustrate what I think of this.

lol, I've always wanted someone to do one of those stick images of a family being chased by zombies... and one of them doesn't make it.

Nothing beats this:

[Han Shot First]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Who the hell is Jonah?

He gets mentioned twice in two games, but you don't actually meet him.

In Tali's loyalty mission in ME2 you can access a video recording from a female Quarian that was working for Tali's father. Right before she gets blasted by Geth, she shouts something like, "Jonah...mommy loves you very much!"

In ME3 you run across a dying male Quarian, I believe during the mission to rescue Admiral Koris, whose last words are to tell Jonah that his father saw the homeworld. (or words to that effect)

Modifié par Han Shot First, 18 juillet 2013 - 09:43 .

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

It makes all the difference in the world. Pan-sexuality is a myth. There's all this talk about personality counting when it comes to choosing a mate. Falling in love with who they are, not what they are. I think it completely fails to take human disposition and preference into account.

Aliens aren't human. 

I'm not attracted to non-humans. I'm sexually repulsed by them.

I disagree completely. I think her face is revolting, but that's just me. Glowy eyes is one 

What an utter load of ****. Of course pansexuality exists, that's undeniable.

So her face is revolting? Except for the eyes, it's a very concave, attractive young woman's face. Also, it's not square shaped and wide cheeked like Miranda's.