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Miranda is my favorite romance in the Trilogy (Mostly due to ME2) because it just felt like it made the most scene for Commander Shepard. (+ She is awesome)
The attraction makes scene although the whole "What happened to me" Arch that Shepard should have had was a huge wasted opportunity, it was ripe for all kinds of character growth for both Shep and Miranda. Could have added great depth to the Relationship.
My general complaint for ME2 is that I feel that the romance is under written (Which could be said for all of them except for maybe Tali) & that there is no after scene & it just kind of ... on hold? I don't know.
In ME3 I liked most her first conversation (Minus the BS reason she can't join up) and bits of the others but Jesus Christ almighty was I cross with what Bioware did to her with the whole "Oriana, Oriana, My father is a Dich Head Oriana, Cerberus gone luney, TIM Sucks, Oriana Oriana".
Like what the flying **** Bioware.
People say the DLC improved things but I'm not going to get it, too cheesy & I'm lactose intolerant when it comes to this level of cheese lol.
Miranda's character in ME2.
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 12:37
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Guy On The Moon wrote...
If you honestly think Yvonne Strahovski is ugly I wanna see the chicks you think are attractive
Yvonne Strahovski looks fine. Miranda doesn't.
Miranda's face is all swollen and bloated and her skin is really unnatural. She's ugly as hell.
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 12:46
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lol,you obviously pay too much attention to her aS% but not her face.She's an abomination.Miranda is one of the ugliest women (real or not) i've ever seen.Guy On The Moon wrote...
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true,if you can ignore her ugly face....
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If you honestly think Yvonne Strahovski is ugly I wanna see the chicks you think are attractive
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 12:54
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Here are some of my main idea's on why I love Miranda (and a list of other fictional women that I greatly admire and love.)
To add onto it...
I think ME2 and ME3 Miranda are largely the same. Miranda is ME3, especially if romanced is a little bit more of a defrosted ice queen. She's still the cold, practical type (which is why I love her) but she has a sense of... less bitterness, because she know that she does have someone who cares for her, and, if you romance her, loves her as well.
Miranda is the INTJ type on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator personality assessment. She is, I'd say, a textbook definition of the Mastermind.
That's probably why a lot of people, especially in ME2, have problems with her, seeing as she's rather cold, detached, dispassionate, and focused more on being logical and pragmatic. She's harshly critical of perceived imperfections and less-than-stellar competency. She's not prone to emotional bouts and she's not very good at conveying her feelings and is rather naive when it comes to expressing herself emotionally. This is a common issue for INTJ types, though instead of being more... overly emotional, she wants people to make sense and to say what they mean and express themselves rationally and evenly.
At the same time, she has a large capability for innovation and imagination, and she has the very uncommon trait (once again, a hallmark of her personality type though) of being able to combine imagination and idealism with reliability and reality. She's driven to exceed and accomplish the impossible, and she has the backing capability to go for it and achieve it. She did bring a man back from death afterall.
I myself am an INTJ, so I'm actually drawn to people like that. We are the most uncommon personality type, and we naturally don't fit well with others, so I can honestly see why Miranda isn't very popular among a lot of people. All the traits I've listed are similar to traits that I have myself, or desire in a partner.
We INTJ's also tend to reject common authority and social norms and tradition in place of logic and efficiency. We treat our emotions the same. It's why we do come off as rather blunt and critical, and not the least bit arrogant. We have a natural disposition towards leadership despite this. We're not pack animals. We're the types that, not necessarily love to lead per se, but we tend to do so because we don't think anyone else is up to the job. We make difficult decisions with ease, seeing as we simply weigh the benefits versus negatives and simply make the most logical choice. Difficult decisions aren't necessarily that difficult for the INTJ. We are not very trusting, and we don't form bonds with people very easily. What very few bonds we do form are unusually strong, and we do tend to place the welfare and wellbeing of those people above everybody and everything else, despite our rather judicial and logical perspective. It's why I think Miranda is so obsessed with finding and protecting Oriana. It's why my Shepard is willing to go to the ends of the galaxy for Miranda, even at the expense of the galaxy.
I don't get the hate for Miranda's appearance that a lot of people project. I think she looks absolutely stunning personally.
To add onto it...
I think ME2 and ME3 Miranda are largely the same. Miranda is ME3, especially if romanced is a little bit more of a defrosted ice queen. She's still the cold, practical type (which is why I love her) but she has a sense of... less bitterness, because she know that she does have someone who cares for her, and, if you romance her, loves her as well.
Miranda is the INTJ type on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator personality assessment. She is, I'd say, a textbook definition of the Mastermind.
That's probably why a lot of people, especially in ME2, have problems with her, seeing as she's rather cold, detached, dispassionate, and focused more on being logical and pragmatic. She's harshly critical of perceived imperfections and less-than-stellar competency. She's not prone to emotional bouts and she's not very good at conveying her feelings and is rather naive when it comes to expressing herself emotionally. This is a common issue for INTJ types, though instead of being more... overly emotional, she wants people to make sense and to say what they mean and express themselves rationally and evenly.
At the same time, she has a large capability for innovation and imagination, and she has the very uncommon trait (once again, a hallmark of her personality type though) of being able to combine imagination and idealism with reliability and reality. She's driven to exceed and accomplish the impossible, and she has the backing capability to go for it and achieve it. She did bring a man back from death afterall.
I myself am an INTJ, so I'm actually drawn to people like that. We are the most uncommon personality type, and we naturally don't fit well with others, so I can honestly see why Miranda isn't very popular among a lot of people. All the traits I've listed are similar to traits that I have myself, or desire in a partner.
We INTJ's also tend to reject common authority and social norms and tradition in place of logic and efficiency. We treat our emotions the same. It's why we do come off as rather blunt and critical, and not the least bit arrogant. We have a natural disposition towards leadership despite this. We're not pack animals. We're the types that, not necessarily love to lead per se, but we tend to do so because we don't think anyone else is up to the job. We make difficult decisions with ease, seeing as we simply weigh the benefits versus negatives and simply make the most logical choice. Difficult decisions aren't necessarily that difficult for the INTJ. We are not very trusting, and we don't form bonds with people very easily. What very few bonds we do form are unusually strong, and we do tend to place the welfare and wellbeing of those people above everybody and everything else, despite our rather judicial and logical perspective. It's why I think Miranda is so obsessed with finding and protecting Oriana. It's why my Shepard is willing to go to the ends of the galaxy for Miranda, even at the expense of the galaxy.
I don't get the hate for Miranda's appearance that a lot of people project. I think she looks absolutely stunning personally.
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N7recruit wrote...
Miranda is my favorite romance in the Trilogy (Mostly due to ME2) because it just felt like it made the most scene for Commander Shepard. (+ She is awesome)
The attraction makes scene although the whole "What happened to me" Arch that Shepard should have had was a huge wasted opportunity, it was ripe for all kinds of character growth for both Shep and Miranda. Could have added great depth to the Relationship.
My general complaint for ME2 is that I feel that the romance is under written (Which could be said for all of them except for maybe Tali) & that there is no after scene & it just kind of ... on hold? I don't know.
In ME3 I liked most her first conversation (Minus the BS reason she can't join up) and bits of the others but Jesus Christ almighty was I cross with what Bioware did to her with the whole "Oriana, Oriana, My father is a Dich Head Oriana, Cerberus gone luney, TIM Sucks, Oriana Oriana".
Like what the flying **** Bioware.
People say the DLC improved things but I'm not going to get it, too cheesy & I'm lactose intolerant when it comes to this level of cheese lol.
You're entitled to your opinion - but I'd interject that at some point, you will realize that whatever one defines as family is more important than anything. Regardless of what the backdrop to it is - even galaxy-wide cataclysm. The lengths she's willing to go for her sister have nothing to do with cheesy, as far as I'm concerned.
Also, I think we can all agree that their family drama is somewhat on a larger scale than Henry just being a bad father.
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:03
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I'll leave this here.
I think ME2 and ME3 Miranda are largely the same. Miranda is ME3, especially if romanced is a little bit more of a defrosted ice queen. She's still the cold, practical type (which is why I love her) but she has a sense of... less bitterness, because she know that she does have someone who cares for her, and, if you romance her, loves her as well.
Miranda is the INTJ type on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator personality assessment. She is, I'd say, a textbook definition of the Mastermind.
That's probably why a lot of people, especially in ME2, have problems with her, seeing as she's rather cold, detached, dispassionate, and focused more on being logical and pragmatic.
I myself am an INTJ, so I'm actually drawn to people like that. We are the most uncommon personality type, and we naturally don't fit well with others, so I can honestly see why Miranda isn't very popular among a lot of people.
I don't get the hate for Miranda's appearance that a lot of people project. I think she looks absolutely stunning personally.
Haha..interesting you brought that brought up. Thought she was INTJ or ISTJ myself (she's not particularly visionary.. she talks more about wanting to find a place to fit.. which is ISTJ's thing. Otherwise, they're very similar. Many INTJs are usually more strange, for lack of a better word. Ilusive man is an NTJ, for sure though).
edit: Come to think of it, coud be why I like Jack (even Ash to a smaller extent). She's ESTP.. I'm ISTP apparently.
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:12
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well i don't.Her face is like a potato.Catwoman in AC looks much betterMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
I don't get the hate for Miranda's appearance that a lot of people project. I think she looks absolutely stunning personally.
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:21
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Haha..interesting you brought that brought up. Thought she was INTJ or ISTJ myself (she's not particularly visionary.. she talks more about wanting to find a place to fit.. which is ISTJ's thing. Otherwise, they're very similar. Many INTJs are usually more strange, for lack of a better word. Ilusive man is an NTJ, for sure though).
edit: Come to think of it, coud be why I like Jack (even Ash to a smaller extent). She's ESTP.. I'm ISTP apparently.
I'd say she does have the place to fit characteristic, but she is more of a visionary. She wants to excel and succeed and accomplish. Miranda's N is a little bit more prominent than her S. When it comes to reality, she's much more practically minded, but when it comes to imagination and thinking, she is much more abstract. This is, as I said, a hallmark of the INTJ.
The reason I'm actually bringing this up is because I had a long discussion about these personality types with a friend of mine (an Ashley fan) on Xbox last night and we were talking about these and how you can classify a character based on the Myers Briggs Type Indicator. It also, to a degree, explains why certain people might be attracted to certain characters.
I'm definitely drawn to people who are like me. I happen to have difficulty there because most people tend to not be the INTJ, and people have a tendency to reject that type.
INTJ's like myself are the most uncommon type. And that's not necessarily a good thing all of the time, because of our natural disposition to very critical and practical, and some would say overly pragmatic when it comes to reality.
We aren't really seen in a hugely favorable light.
http://typelogic.com/intj.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTJ
http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/INTJ
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INTJ's like myself are the most uncommon type. And that's not necessarily a good thing all of the time, because of our natural disposition to very critical and practical, and some would say overly pragmatic when it comes to reality.
http://typelogic.com/intj.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTJ
http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/INTJ
Yeah, both INTJ and INFJ are rare. On the internet, you can meet more though (small world and all). I recommend Lenore Thomson's "Personality Types" btw.. She's an INTJ herself, and wrote one of the better books on the subject (it's fair to all types).
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1)Miranda doesn't exist
2)The only purpose she serves is "eye-candy"(even tho she's ugly,whatever)
2)The only purpose she serves is "eye-candy"(even tho she's ugly,whatever)
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:30
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IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
1)Miranda doesn't exist
2)The only purpose she serves is "eye-candy"(even tho she's ugly,whatever)
At least I know you're a troll.
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:35
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lol keyboard warriors are funnyMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
1)Miranda doesn't exist
2)The only purpose she serves is "eye-candy"(even tho she's ugly,whatever)
At least I know you're a troll.
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:37
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Yeah. Intelligence is a gift, what can I say?IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
lol keyboard warriors are funnyMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
1)Miranda doesn't exist
2)The only purpose she serves is "eye-candy"(even tho she's ugly,whatever)
At least I know you're a troll.
Live and let live here. Mainly because the mods will cut out your throat if you don't...
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:39
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
1)Miranda doesn't exist
2)The only purpose she serves is "eye-candy"(even tho she's ugly,whatever)
At least I know you're a troll.
B-but his screen name is IntelligentME3Fanboy! No one can lie about their screen name!
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:41
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Of course they will.I did insult your imaginary space waifu after all..electric chair awaits!MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Yeah. Intelligence is a gift, what can I say?IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
lol keyboard warriors are funnyMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
1)Miranda doesn't exist
2)The only purpose she serves is "eye-candy"(even tho she's ugly,whatever)
At least I know you're a troll.
Live and let live here. Mainly because the mods will cut out your throat if you don't...
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:42
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IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
Of course they will.I did insult your imaginary space waifu after all..electric chair awaits!MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Yeah. Intelligence is a gift, what can I say?IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
lol keyboard warriors are funnyMassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
1)Miranda doesn't exist
2)The only purpose she serves is "eye-candy"(even tho she's ugly,whatever)
At least I know you're a troll.
Live and let live here. Mainly because the mods will cut out your throat if you don't...
I noticed. That's why I really don't care what you say. At least I can get a good chuckle out of it.
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Miranda is an icon for me.
I, myself have done the whole "Lets please daddy and make him happy" thing.. the fact that Miranda stands up to him, doesn't let me determine who she is. (minus dwelling on the genetic side)... in the end, she beats him..
I love Miranda's personality.. for all the reasons MassivelyEffective said.
I, myself have done the whole "Lets please daddy and make him happy" thing.. the fact that Miranda stands up to him, doesn't let me determine who she is. (minus dwelling on the genetic side)... in the end, she beats him..
I love Miranda's personality.. for all the reasons MassivelyEffective said.
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Posté 18 juillet 2013 - 01:51
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@OP:
I won't need to repeat my appreciation for Miranda since MassivelyEffective0730 has said almost everything. We differ in one significant point, however: I think her role in ME3 is a huge disappointment, emphasizing the things least interesting about her and triggering some very annoying stereotypes and in fact, some of my most-hated tropes. I cannot escape the impression that the writers' vision for her is significantly different than the image suggested by MassivelyEffective's post, that they went out of their way to destroy that image in ME3 for a romanced Shepard at least, and that if we hold it up - as I can manage with considerable mental effort - we are actually fighting the writers.
Miranda in ME2 is an equal to Shepard as far as the story permits. In ME3 she loses that distinction, not because she's actually lost competence, but because she doesn't appear to care about anything but personal issues anymore, and the emphasis on the "normal life" theme is almost like a nail to her coffin. There was an article on the net somewhere titled "I'm sorry but I don't love you any more Miranda" or suchlike, and while it's not gone quite that far for me, I can understand the feeling all too well.
I'm not sure if can bear to play the romance through ME3 anymore. With femShep, at least I get the "trouble-shooting space divas" line. Why couldn't we have something similar for a romanced Shepard, damn it?
Seeing Miranda in ME2, however, is always nice. If it just didn't remind me of what could have been. But I guess that goes for so many things where ME3 did not do as expected.
I won't need to repeat my appreciation for Miranda since MassivelyEffective0730 has said almost everything. We differ in one significant point, however: I think her role in ME3 is a huge disappointment, emphasizing the things least interesting about her and triggering some very annoying stereotypes and in fact, some of my most-hated tropes. I cannot escape the impression that the writers' vision for her is significantly different than the image suggested by MassivelyEffective's post, that they went out of their way to destroy that image in ME3 for a romanced Shepard at least, and that if we hold it up - as I can manage with considerable mental effort - we are actually fighting the writers.
Miranda in ME2 is an equal to Shepard as far as the story permits. In ME3 she loses that distinction, not because she's actually lost competence, but because she doesn't appear to care about anything but personal issues anymore, and the emphasis on the "normal life" theme is almost like a nail to her coffin. There was an article on the net somewhere titled "I'm sorry but I don't love you any more Miranda" or suchlike, and while it's not gone quite that far for me, I can understand the feeling all too well.
I'm not sure if can bear to play the romance through ME3 anymore. With femShep, at least I get the "trouble-shooting space divas" line. Why couldn't we have something similar for a romanced Shepard, damn it?
Seeing Miranda in ME2, however, is always nice. If it just didn't remind me of what could have been. But I guess that goes for so many things where ME3 did not do as expected.
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Miranda was partly one of Mac Walters' characters in ME2, but not in ME3. Perhaps this is one of the cases he doesn't deserve any flack. Surprisingly, he did a lot of good characters. Not just Garrus. Also wrote Zaeed, Illusive Man, and Aria too. He's good at all of these characters that live among "shady" circumstances and whatnot. I don't think Miranda is bad in ME3 by any means, but she's different though.
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HellbirdIV wrote...
Guy On The Moon wrote...
If you honestly think Yvonne Strahovski is ugly I wanna see the chicks you think are attractive
Yvonne Strahovski looks fine. Miranda doesn't.
Miranda's face is all swollen and bloated and her skin is really unnatural. She's ugly as hell.
Swollen and bloated?
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http://typelogic.com/intj.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTJ
http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/INTJ
As unreliable as that theory is, it seems that I am an INTP. So I'm more or less similar to Thomas Jefferson, Charles Darwin, and Albert Einstein in terms of personality. Not some bad people to be compared to, I suppose.
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Miranda's attractiveness depends heavily on the lighting. In the right circumstances, she's beautiful. In the wrong circumstances...well, the face scanning technology isn't quite there, shall we say? As to characterization, I despise what she is and what she represents in ME3 with a passion I can hardly describe.
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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
http://typelogic.com/intj.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTJ
http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/INTJ
As unreliable as that theory is, it seems that I am an INTP. So I'm more or less similar to Thomas Jefferson, Charles Darwin, and Albert Einstein in terms of personality. Not some bad people to be compared to, I suppose.
maybe you should romance Mordin. He's ENTP.
(basically the wacky scientist type.. like Doc in Back in the Future.. or pretty much any Jeff Goldblum character).Yeah, it's not the most reliable theory, but as far as general archetypes go, it's useful. It becomes a problem when companies use it to gauge actual talents and whatnot.
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