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[Steelcan]

Is Ieldra still pushing his ME3 set out to deliberately ruin Miranda...

[HellbirdIV]

o Ventus wrote...

Swollen and bloated?

Yeah, exactly like that. Ew.

Just compare that to a picture of the actress, and you'll see what the problem is.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 18 juillet 2013 - 02:34 .

[o Ventus]

jtav wrote...

Miranda's attractiveness depends heavily on the lighting. In the right circumstances, she's beautiful. In the wrong circumstances...well, the face scanning technology isn't quite there, shall we say? As to characterization, I despise what she is and what she represents in ME3 with a passion I can hardly describe.

The face scanning technology IS there (L.A. Noire), it's just licensed to another company (Rockstar and Team Bondi).

[o Ventus]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Yeah, exactly like that. Ew.

So... You're bull**itting then? If you even cared to look at those 2 screenshots, you can see that Miranda is not "bloated and swollen". Like, by definition of those 2 terms, you are objectively, factually wrong in this.

Just compare that to a picture of the actress, and you'll see what the problem is.

I have before. There's no problem.

[Caihn]

Miranda is my favorite character (both in ME2 and ME3, for me it's the same character)
I just wanted a more important role for her in ME3, and more content.

[jtav]

Steelcan wrote...

Is Ieldra still pushing his ME3 set out to deliberately ruin Miranda...

I''m not Ieldra, but Miranda from LOTSB on does conform to a particular archetype that she didn't fit before: a woman who has engaged in morally dubious acts out of a desire to fill a void that should be filled by family. She doesn't truly believe in her  cause, but the organization meets her desire to be loved. The hero shows her the light and she takes her proper place as his LI and devotes herself to family concerns. Do I think Jay woke up and decided "How can I screw over Miranda fans?" Nope. But there were deliberate choices made.

Best thing for Miranda is to die on the SM.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Yannkee wrote...

Miranda is my favorite character (both in ME2 and ME3, for me it's the same character)
I just wanted a more important role for her in ME3, and more content.

Indeed. It's the same Miranda as ME2, minus that she's bit... more compassionate and not nearly as harsh or severe as she would put it. 

Its a shame her content in ME3 can't reflect this.

[Steelcan]

jtav wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Is Ieldra still pushing his ME3 set out to deliberately ruin Miranda...

I''m not Ieldra, but Miranda from LOTSB on does conform to a particular archetype that she didn't fit before: a woman who has engaged in morally dubious acts out of a desire to fill a void that should be filled by family. She doesn't truly believe in her  cause, but the organization meets her desire to be loved. The hero shows her the light and she takes her proper place as his LI and devotes herself to family concerns. Do I think Jay woke up and decided "How can I screw over Miranda fans?" Nope. But there were deliberate choices made.

Best thing for Miranda is to die on the SM.

.  Ha no

[MassivelyEffective0730]

jtav wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Is Ieldra still pushing his ME3 set out to deliberately ruin Miranda...

I''m not Ieldra, but Miranda from LOTSB on does conform to a particular archetype that she didn't fit before: a woman who has engaged in morally dubious acts out of a desire to fill a void that should be filled by family. She doesn't truly believe in her  cause, but the organization meets her desire to be loved. The hero shows her the light and she takes her proper place as his LI and devotes herself to family concerns. Do I think Jay woke up and decided "How can I screw over Miranda fans?" Nope. But there were deliberate choices made.

Best thing for Miranda is to die on the SM.

And I really doubt that that was the case or intent. I think you're seeing it because you want to see it.

[Nole]

Skullheart wrote...

Yeah, Miranda is so ugly.
*snip*

She doesn't look like this in-game.

Anyways, you are not supposed to stare at her face, lol.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Swollen and bloated?

Yeah, exactly like that. Ew.

Just compare that to a picture of the actress, and you'll see what the problem is.

I've compared the two. There is no problem or flaw whatsoever. Looks stunning in both reality and in the game.

[HellbirdIV]

I think we're done here. This thread has officially descended into another shrine for the worship of a designated LI.

Morocco Mole wrote...

The only face worse than Miranda's is Allers.

And Ashley.

Honestly, I think whenever they try to do "realistic" human women's faces, they look terrible.

Jack's face, for example, looks pretty good - I hate her guts and she's got a stupid haircut, but her face looks good. ME3's default FemShep looks pretty good, so does Kelly Chambers and Sam Traynor.

Samara also looks quite nice despite being based closely on a real face, so maybe it's the Uncanny Valley problem, but I personally think they just make the "realistic" girls look like plastic blow-up dolls.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 18 juillet 2013 - 02:59 .

[Nole]

Morocco Mole wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...
Yeah, exactly like that. Ew.

Just compare that to a picture of the actress, and you'll see what the problem is.

The only face worse than Miranda's is Allers.

Those cheeks.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I think we're done here. This thread has officially descended into another shrine for the worship of a designated LI.

Aww, sad that people who don't want to character bash are here?

[Dieb]

jtav wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Is Ieldra still pushing his ME3 set out to deliberately ruin Miranda...

I''m not Ieldra, but Miranda from LOTSB on does conform to a particular archetype that she didn't fit before: a woman who has engaged in morally dubious acts out of a desire to fill a void that should be filled by family. She doesn't truly believe in her  cause, but the organization meets her desire to be loved. The hero shows her the light and she takes her proper place as his LI and devotes herself to family concerns. Do I think Jay woke up and decided "How can I screw over Miranda fans?" Nope. But there were deliberate choices made.

Best thing for Miranda is to die on the SM.

Wow. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that.

Are you saying that the fact that she wants children, but is so afraid of anything genetically altered/artificial and does not care to know anything but biological facts of the potential fathers -both of which things absoutely understandable, given all of her character's story- labels her as... what, as insecure and sexually promiscuous? That the grief over never having had a real family, and to have children of her own, makes her some kind of weak woman? That nobody has ever needed anyone to show him the error of his ways, regardless of how independent one may be in any other given situation? Needless to say that she ventures doing what she does regardless of whether she's granted the sorry place at "Shepard's side".

I know that was intended as some kind of anti-chauvinistic supporting statement, but it definitely has some backlash. Maybe it has something to do with some fans of the character not coping very well with her "sexual interest" towards other people, as stated in her LOTSB file, and then just stopped thinking any further about the matter.

edit: And I say this as someone who definitely doesn't consider himself a fan of Miranda or any character in particular. But even when I was still fairly apathetic towards the character, it was the LOTSB files that suddenly made her seem very interesting. Also I have a hard time dealing with this kind of two-faced morality fencing.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 18 juillet 2013 - 03:14 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

I think we're done here. This thread has officially descended into another shrine for the worship of a designated LI.

Aww, sad that people who don't want to character bash are here?

let's all worship a failed eye candy

[Dieb]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I think we're done here. This thread has officially descended into another shrine for the worship of a designated LI.

That's what I was actively trying to avoid. It seems to be impossible, even if there suddenly are some actual things to discuss. But despite my OP being about 50% various disclaimers, I should have known what I was in for.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

Really? People are mad about Miranda in LotSB?

Not everyone can be a 100 year old virgin scientist.

They think that Miranda was portrayed as a woman who isn't actually what she is, and that all she ever wanted was a family and to be loved, and that all of the character achievements, goals, and characteristics are just a veneer for her in her quest for "normalcy".

I reject that Miranda wants to be "normal" (which I find to a common... and irritating misconception among people who discuss her and actually think that that is what she wants) but I don't interpret that anything where she actually really wants that kind of life. She is meant for more, and better, than that.

This is the part where the disagreements.... and the so-called Miranda-wars came in. The opinion of some are obviously their own, but it's a severe misinterpretation of the writing in my opinion, stemming from a possible reactionary misinterpretation of the original character. I will agree with the assertion that Miranda is, depending on how you play your Shepard, his so-called equal.

It has nothing to do with her sexuality really. I have no problem with it. She's an independent woman who's out to satisfy her needs. She's not trying to get pregnant or start a family. 

[Steelcan]

Honestly some of the Miranda fans could put the ITers to shame at looking too deeply at what is not there.