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[CrutchCricket]

HellbirdIV wrote...
And by calling whoever disagrees with you trolls, you've proven yourself to be the worst kind of fanboy.

Also, deeper aspects of her character? You mean the fanfiction on Page 2 and on?

Please point out where I disagreed with you on this whole thing. I haven't engaged the apperance discussion at all, other than to point out the irony and derailment of this thread.

If you disagree with some of the thoughts on the character from page two, by all means, make an argument for your disagreement and engage in the discussion. Passive-aggressively mocking it adds nothing and counts as spam at the very least.  If it was meant to incite, then it's flamebait and you are indeed a troll. There's no confusion here.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Apparently you have to complete Sanctuary to have her show up in the Citadel DLC, and that sucks. I guess on the PC you can gib the game file and check off Sanctuary completed, because I really don't want to play that far into the game TBH.

Wow, I read to page 2. Type a post. And has this thread taken a turn for the worst.

I hate what BW did to the character. She was a great character, IMO.

--- Liara fan who doesn't hate Miranda because Miranda saved Shepard's life.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 18 juillet 2013 - 05:56 .

[Sir DeLoria]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Actually, TIM looks a little like Martin Sheen But I don't know if that was intended.

But that was the point. A character that is both modeled and voiced by an actor has a stronger association with that actor than one who is only voiced or only modeled.

Which is why I love my bro:D

[HellbirdIV]

o Ventus wrote...

I've already told you that you are factually incorrect by saying "bloated and swollen", by the very definition of those terms.

And you were wrong, because that's a matter of opinion. It can't be "factually incorrect".

o Ventus wrote...

It's entirely possible to say "I don't think she's that pretty" without saying "she's ugly as hell".

I think she's ugly as hell. I'm not obligated to phrase myself in kinder terms to spare your feelings.

o Ventus wrote...

That's why it was made perfectly clear in that original post that it was because she's "more like the actress" than any other character. 

Wait, no it wasn't.

It didn't need to be, because it was obvious enough that it did not need explaining. I don't even understand why you make a fuss about it.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 18 juillet 2013 - 05:55 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Except that the people who are trying to bash Miranda by her appearance are being trolls

It's a dissenting opinion. That's not bashing nor trolling - which is kind of my point. All the fanboys come out of the woodwork to scream "TROLL" when someone dares insinuate that their digital girlfriend is not perfect.

No one's going to get upset about a dissenting opinion.

They're going to get upset when you word it in such a way as to make it seem like you're deliberately trying to insult fans. 

I don't know where you're from, but rational people don't voice their opinion and try to insult others for liking something you think is ridiculous.

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

To be fair to them. I think every "mancer" on this site is probably a massive pervert with an unhealthy obsession with a videogame character.

I've romanced Liara in every playthrough so far, but I don't really feel the need to get indignant when someone comments on what they percieve are character flaws - or hell, appearance flaws, like the fact her right eye sometimes get stuck half-open during ME1 dialogues.

Wether that makes me a "Liaramancer" is up to definition then, I suppose. I think most people have a favorite LI without getting creepy about it.

I defend my LI, why does that make me creepy? It's not like my Tali love affects my real life actions.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

It's entirely possible to say "I don't think she's that pretty" without saying "she's ugly as hell".

I think she's ugly as hell. I'm not obligated to phrase myself in kinder terms to spare your feelings.

For argument's sake, you are. You are trying to objectively state that she is ugly as hell, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. You don't need to spare feelings, but you don't need to be an overt jerk about it.

Apparently, personal preference doesn't exist where you're from. Neither does proper construction of an argument.

[HellbirdIV]

Necanor wrote...

I defend my LI, why does that make me creepy? It's not like my Tali love affects my real life actions.

Yes. I've made my stance there pretty clear in other threads; Your fanatical devotion to Tali and quarians strikes me as being incredibly creepy.

[o Ventus]

HellbirdIV wrote...

And you were wrong.

And I'm not, Feel free to consult a dictionary.

I think she's ugly as hell. I'm not obligated to phrase myself in kinder terms to spare your feelings.

And nobody is saying that you have to. At this point, I would hope that you could at least stay on track with the present argument instead of shifting the topic. On the other hand, you're also denying that you're a troll, despite the obvious comments.

It didn't need to be, because it was obvious enough that it did not need explaining. I don't even understand why you make a fuss about it.

Really, because- 

Wait, no it wasn't.

Modifié par o Ventus, 18 juillet 2013 - 05:59 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Necanor wrote...

I defend my LI, why does that make me creepy? It's not like my Tali love affects my real life actions.

Yes. I've made my stance there pretty clear in other threads; Your fanatical devotion to Tali and quarians strikes me as being incredibly creepy.

Then you're making a mind projection fallacy here, and showing not the leastbit amount of failure to acknowledge different norms, idea's, opinions, and perspectives.

[Sir DeLoria]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Necanor wrote...

I defend my LI, why does that make me creepy? It's not like my Tali love affects my real life actions.

Yes. I've made my stance there pretty clear in other threads; Your fanatical devotion to Tali and quarians strikes me as being incredibly creepy.

I don't want to derail this thread with an argument. It's your opinion and that's why I don't care about it anyway.

[o Ventus]

Morocco Mole wrote...

She's not real and doesn't really need defending is why. By all means, retort back with valid points when someone criticizes something, but don't be a fanatic about it.

Defending something that is fictional doesn't make somebody a fanatic.

[HellbirdIV]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Then you're making a mind projection fallacy here, and showing not the leastbit amount of failure to acknowledge different norms, idea's, opinions, and perspectives.

Now, I've been avoiding responding to you because you're easily the creepiest of the creeps on these forums I've seen all week, but I'm just going to put this out there;

None of what you just said means anything.

[Obvakhi]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Really? People are mad about Miranda in LotSB?

Not everyone can be a 100 year old virgin scientist.

They think that Miranda was portrayed as a woman who isn't actually what she is, and that all she ever wanted was a family and to be loved, and that all of the character achievements, goals, and characteristics are just a veneer for her in her quest for "normalcy".

I reject that Miranda wants to be "normal" (which I find to a common... and irritating misconception among people who discuss her and actually think that that is what she wants) but I don't interpret that anything where she actually really wants that kind of life. She is meant for more, and better, than that.

This is the part where the disagreements.... and the so-called Miranda-wars came in. The opinion of some are obviously their own, but it's a severe misinterpretation of the writing in my opinion, stemming from a possible reactionary misinterpretation of the original character. I will agree with the assertion that Miranda is, depending on how you play your Shepard, his so-called equal.

It has nothing to do with her sexuality really. I have no problem with it. She's an independent woman who's out to satisfy her needs. She's not trying to get pregnant or start a family. 

"I wanted you to have a normal life. Marriage, children... things I could never have."

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Morocco Mole wrote...

She's not real and doesn't really need defending is why. By all means, retort back with valid points when someone criticizes something, but don't be a fanatic about it.

Then don't advocate for hypocrites. Give some valid points to criticize instead of ad hominems towards fans.

What's wrong with fanatics for a character by the way? You seem to be going out of your way to antagonize them? Why?

[HellbirdIV]

o Ventus wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

She's not real and doesn't really need defending is why. By all means, retort back with valid points when someone criticizes something, but don't be a fanatic about it.

Defending something that is fictional doesn't make somebody a fanatic.

No, but as demonstrated by you lot, you can be a fanatic about defending a fictional something.

[o Ventus]

Obvakhi wrote...

"I wanted you to have a normal life. Marriage, children... things I could never have."

What part of that post are you responding to?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HellbirdIV wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Then you're making a mind projection fallacy here, and showing not the leastbit amount of failure to acknowledge different norms, idea's, opinions, and perspectives.

Now, I've been avoiding responding to you because you're easily the creepiest of the creeps on these forums I've seen all week, but I'm just going to put this out there;

None of what you just said means anything.

You just deliberately dismissed my opinion because you think I'm "creepy". I really hope no one takes your points seriously. 

Are you going to try and create a logical argument? A valid interpretation for your valid opinion?

Or are you going to call my credibility into question because you don't agree with my interpretation?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 18 juillet 2013 - 06:07 .

[o Ventus]

HellbirdIV wrote...

No, but as demonstrated by you lot, you can be a fanatic about defending a fictional something.

Except nobody in here IS.

I can see what's happening in here.

Somebody (you, among others) posts something factually inaccurate; somebody posts something in defense of what you are challenging; the offender overtly insults entire groups of people for things that are superficial (laughable, in the case of "vicariously hooking up with Strahovski") at best, and blatantly untrue at the worst; offender defends their stance by changing the topic.

Repeat ad infinitum.

Modifié par o Ventus, 18 juillet 2013 - 06:10 .

[CrutchCricket]

Obvakhi wrote...
"I wanted you to have a normal life. Marriage, children... things I could never have."

Keyword there is "you".

[ShepnTali]

It's a shame you can't have a character fan thread without trolling harassment, or those within a fan thread bashing fans of other characters. I'd dole out permabamns liberally if people can't follow common sense conduct.

[HellbirdIV]

o Ventus wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

No, but as demonstrated by you lot, you can be a fanatic about defending a fictional something.

Except nobody in here IS.

Okay.

Tell me the worst things about Miranda. Everything you hate about her that made you want to reach through the screen and smack her stupid potato face - and no qualifiers are allowed.

I'll believe you're not a fanatic when you admit she's not perfect.

[o Ventus]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Okay.

Tell me the worst things about Miranda. Everything you hate about her that made you want to reach through the screen and smack her stupid potato face - and no qualifiers are allowed.

I'll believe you're not a fanatic when you admit she's not perfect.

This is a false dichotomy if I've ever seen one. Why are the only categories "like" and "such intense hate that I want to reach through the screen and smack her in the face"? Hyperbole works when it isn't wholly stupid, or at least when presented in a query that can be interpreted as legitimately serious. I'll answer when I can take you seriously.

Modifié par o Ventus, 18 juillet 2013 - 06:17 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...
"I wanted you to have a normal life. Marriage, children... things I could never have."

Keyword there is "you".

Agreed. Though I believe Miranda was a bit defensive and over-protective towards Oriana, I think she legitimately wants her to be free and innocent of the sort of life that Miranda has led. To use an example from Chuck, look at how Sarah is terrified of what the spy-life will do to Chuck's personality. She's terrified of him becoming something that he has chosen and tries to stop him, and even shuns him because of it. I don't think Miranda would go quite as far as Sarah.