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[Erez Kristal]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

There was also no reason to hand over the normandy, there was a capable crew on it capable of kicking ass without shepard

A terrorist crew - I don't care how much you want to marry Timmy and have his illusion babies, but the fact of the matter is that Cerberus is considered a terrorist organisation by the Council; Shepard is damn lucky that he and his entire crew weren't executed like the asari councillor demanded and obviously they will cease the ship once Shepard stops being useful as a deniable operative tasked with hunting the collectors.

A terrorist crew? We are talking about, garrus, jacob, tali, grunt, samara, thane, miranda, zaheed, kasumi, joker, chakwas, mordin and one tormended criminal girl - jack(who in your story was promoted to teach the finest youth in the alliance...)

No to mention that many shepards were fine with working with cerberus.
so yes your crew could keep going without you kicking ass in the galaxy and saving everyone in the process.
while you took your vacation on earth.(or execuction)

Modifié par erezike, 19 juillet 2013 - 08:52 .

[SpamBot2000]

Well, the opening of ME3 is the second worst part of the series. It fails to reach the absolute nadir because it didn't break the entire Universe - unlike dat ending.

[Excella Gionne]

I think the beginning of Mass Effect 3 was sort of disappointing. I didn't get to see my crew depart, and a decision to Admiral Hackett in Mass Effect 2: The Arrival should have impacted the beginning of Mass Effect 3, but that would have lead two different sort of intros and how the game would have progressed: 1. Shepard returns to Earth 2. Shepard doesn't return to Earth And maybe to those who didn't do the DLC would have gotten the default one(The ME3 intro/Choice 1 as explained above)

Back to topic: The ending is not as bad with the Extended Cut, but what people are mainly bad about is "speculation". They hate speculation, and it's not told about what happens to Shepard's squadmates and others close to Shepard. More importantly, they hate the post ending. I personally believe that Shepard never should have survived the destruction anyways.

[Erez Kristal]

johnnythao89 wrote...

I think the beginning of Mass Effect 3 was sort of disappointing. I didn't get to see my crew depart, and a decision to Admiral Hackett in Mass Effect 2: The Arrival should have impacted the beginning of Mass Effect 3, but that would have lead two different sort of intros and how the game would have progressed: 1. Shepard returns to Earth 2. Shepard doesn't return to Earth And maybe to those who didn't do the DLC would have gotten the default one(The ME3 intro/Choice 1 as explained above)

Back to topic: The ending is not as bad with the Extended Cut, but what people are mainly bad about is "speculation". They hate speculation, and it's not told about what happens to Shepard's squadmates and others close to Shepard. More importantly, they hate the post ending. I personally believe that Shepard never should have survived the destruction anyways.

if they didnt force that decision, then they would have to a create a entire different story from scratch.
A story, without the quarrian going dumb, without cerberus going sith, without crucible and catalyst.
You know, a good story.

[CR121691]

It would have been cool to go into trial and explain your actions via some decisions you can make. Sadly that wasn't the case.

[Excella Gionne]

erezike wrote...

johnnythao89 wrote...

I think the beginning of Mass Effect 3 was sort of disappointing. I didn't get to see my crew depart, and a decision to Admiral Hackett in Mass Effect 2: The Arrival should have impacted the beginning of Mass Effect 3, but that would have lead two different sort of intros and how the game would have progressed: 1. Shepard returns to Earth 2. Shepard doesn't return to Earth And maybe to those who didn't do the DLC would have gotten the default one(The ME3 intro/Choice 1 as explained above)

Back to topic: The ending is not as bad with the Extended Cut, but what people are mainly bad about is "speculation". They hate speculation, and it's not told about what happens to Shepard's squadmates and others close to Shepard. More importantly, they hate the post ending. I personally believe that Shepard never should have survived the destruction anyways.

if they didnt force that decision, then they would have to a create a entire different story from scratch.
A story, without the quarrian going dumb, without cerberus going sith, without crucible and catalyst.
You know, a good story.

True. It would have gone another way if the person chose the Renegade path in ME2 and didn't choose to go back to Earth, but eventually the stories would have to merge in some form of way that would involve the crucible and such. Remember, Shepard did abandon Cerberus at the end of ME2. It would have led to something similar to ME3 for the Renegade path. 

[Erez Kristal]

I felt that the writers liked the crucible ideas and looked for ways to force it into the plot.
Instead of following the story from mass effect 2 in a coherent manner.
even if shepard turns himself in, nothing stop the alliance from claiming shepard as turned himself in and to let shepard keep doing his thing.

At the end of me2 shepard can choose between working with cerberus or quitting, in arrival shepard can choose between turning himself in or staying independent.

following this doesnt mean two different plots, they could have easily created a plot which follows a shepard who turns himself in without contradicting the other plot thread.

the alliance could easily declare they have shepard in custody on vancouver when he is actually out in space kicking ass.

Modifié par erezike, 19 juillet 2013 - 09:33 .

[hpjay]

erezike wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I don't agree with Shepard turning him/herself in, but as I said, this is a fixed event determined by The Arrival's conclusion. So ME3's only fault in this respect is actually following through on that decision. Of course, it would've been nice if they were able to conjure up reasonable circumstances that prevented this from happening, but there it is. I guess they needed a reason for Shepard to be stuck on Earth to witness the first wave of the reaper invasion, as Shepard holding on to the Normandy would probably leave him/her somewhere far off. 

The only conclusion from arrival was that shepard may have been a wanted man in a case where hacket decided to sell him off.
Nothing more
Some shepards are good old alliance brats who agree to play along and not disrupt hacket promotion
Some shepards prefer to do things their wayl.

And even if shepard was forced to played along he could still only be captived by name while he goes around the galaxy kicking ass.

There was also no reason to hand over the normandy, there was a capable crew on it capable of kicking ass without shepard

This is just a glorfied plot mess without any room for justification. this for me was the most terribile part about me3 story. and what rendered the game unplayable storywise. its breaks all story legitimacy. since i know my shepard would never do that.

 

So basically, you're Shepard renounced her commision with the Alliance Navy and went rogue?  And a ship like the Normandy costs money to run.  Lots of credits... lots and lots of credits.  I guess you're Shepard could have hooked up with Jack and became a pirate?  Or maybe joined the Blue Suns and started raiding trading vessels to pay for Normandy upkeep and maintenance and crew saleries?   

[Erez Kristal]

hpjay wrote...


So basically, you're Shepard renounced her commision with the Alliance Navy and went rogue?  And a ship like the Normandy costs money to run.  Lots of credits... lots and lots of credits.  I guess you're Shepard could have hooked up with Jack and became a pirate?  Or maybe joined the Blue Suns and started raiding trading vessels to pay for Normandy upkeep and maintenance and crew saleries?   

My shepard never quit cerberus, but if its money you are worried about, there are a lot of financial opportunities for someone with shepard skills, not to mention your sugar mommy shadow broker, access to expensive tech, possibile raids on pirate bases for extra credits and a geth race who idolized you.
You clearly never played an open rpg before have you?

Im suprised this is coming from a me gamer, in mass effect 1 turns you into a weapon dealer
mass effect 2 turns you into a thief.

Only in me3 do you rely on the alliance funding.

Modifié par erezike, 19 juillet 2013 - 09:49 .

[hpjay]

erezike wrote...

hpjay wrote...


So basically, you're Shepard renounced her commision with the Alliance Navy and went rogue?  And a ship like the Normandy costs money to run.  Lots of credits... lots and lots of credits.  I guess you're Shepard could have hooked up with Jack and became a pirate?  Or maybe joined the Blue Suns and started raiding trading vessels to pay for Normandy upkeep and maintenance and crew saleries?   

My shepard never quit cerberus, but if its money you are worried about, there are a lot of financial opportunities for someone with shepard skills, not to mention your sugar mommy shadow broker, access to expensive tech, possibile raids on pirate bases for extra credits and a geth race who idolized you.
You clearly never played an open rpg before have you?

Im suprised this is coming from a me gamer, in mass effect 1 turns you into a weapon dealer
mass effect 2 turns you into a thief.

Only in me3 do you rely on the alliance funding.

Ah, your Shepard did renounce her commission then.  And became a pirate. 

Oh and you didn't realize that ME was NOT an open RPG?  Seriously?  Sure you have some control, but it is pretty clear to me Shepard was meant to be a certain type of person, not a blank slate.  In fact most cRPG games need to reign in the character if only because you're not sitting there at the table with the DM who can react to how you want to roleplay.

As for Cerberus?  They are a racist, ruthless, ends justify the means org.  So whats the attraction?  Oh....  I get it now.  BTW, if you choose CONTROL remind me to steer way clear of your ME universe.

Modifié par hpjay, 19 juillet 2013 - 10:12 .

[Erez Kristal]

hpjay wrote...


Ah, your Shepard did renounce her commission then.  And became a pirate. 

Oh and you didn't realize that ME was NOT an open RPG?  Seriously?  Sure you have some control, but it is pretty clear to me Shepard was meant to be a certain type of person, not a blank slate.  In fact most cRPG games need to reign in the character if only because you're not sitting there at the table with the DM who can react to how you want to roleplay.

As for Cerberus?  They are a racist, ruthless, ends justify the means org.  So whats the attraction?  Oh....  I get it now.  BTW, if you choose CONTROL remind me to steer way clear of your ME universe.

its not an open rpg, but your choices were supposed to have meanings, the game wasnt suppose to contradict your character but allow you to work under its terms, the intro of mass effect 3 betrays this understanding by the player shepard with the writers new version of shepard.

as for cerberus, many players wanted to prevent earth from being devastated by the reapers and to save galactic life. 
Cerberus were the only one around capable of pulling that off.

Modifié par erezike, 19 juillet 2013 - 10:16 .

[ShepnTali]

Visit my ME universe any time. Reapers are destroyed, and there's a hot party with topless asari dancing in the streets.

[Erez Kristal]

ShepnTali wrote...

Visit my ME universe any time. Reapers are destroyed, and there's a hot party with topless asari dancing in the streets.

ahhh, The good life.

i think my point here was made.

I should go.

Modifié par erezike, 19 juillet 2013 - 10:26 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

erezike wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

There was also no reason to hand over the normandy, there was a capable crew on it capable of kicking ass without shepard

A terrorist crew - I don't care how much you want to marry Timmy and have his illusion babies, but the fact of the matter is that Cerberus is considered a terrorist organisation by the Council; Shepard is damn lucky that he and his entire crew weren't executed like the asari councillor demanded and obviously they will cease the ship once Shepard stops being useful as a deniable operative tasked with hunting the collectors.

A terrorist crew? We are talking about, garrus, jacob, tali, grunt, samara, thane, miranda, zaheed, kasumi, joker, chakwas, mordin and one tormended criminal girl - jack(who in your story was promoted to teach the finest youth in the alliance...)

No to mention that many shepards were fine with working with cerberus.
so yes your crew could keep going without you kicking ass in the galaxy and saving everyone in the process.
while you took your vacation on earth.(or execuction)

Yeah, some were soldiers. Some just had a job.... like maintenance and facilities and the cook -- some terrorist. They'll interview them and look at records.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


Yeah, some were soldiers. Some just had a job.... like maintenance and facilities and the cook -- some terrorist. They'll interview them and look at records.

That cook made the best terror fries...

[AlexMBrennan]

A terrorist crew? We are talking about, garrus, jacob, tali, grunt, samara, thane, miranda, zaheed, kasumi, joker, chakwas, mordin and one tormended criminal girl - jack(who in your story was promoted to teach the finest youth in the alliance...)

If you sign on with a terrorist organisation then you become a terrorist, regardless of your previous occupation. At most you could argue that Jack, Tali, etc were coerced into working with Cerberus since they were all recruited under the threat of imminent death ("Don't want to work with Cerberus? OK, good luck escaping this exploding space prison")

No to mention that many shepards were fine with working with cerberus

And plenty of people are fine with working for Al-Qaeda but that doesn't change anything about the fact that Al-Qaeda is considered a terrorist organisation by the relevant authorities.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 19 juillet 2013 - 11:10 .

[dorktainian]

www.youtube.com/watch 

this.

[Dubozz]

o Ventus wrote...

As dumb as the intro is, it doesn't commit thematic suicide and question the plot to both previous games.

Leave that for the ending.

[PinkysPain]

erezike wrote...

The beginning is clearly the most terrible part of the game.

After ME2 went from bad (A-team in space with ridiculous forced cerberus alliance) to worse (Arrival) I wasn't expecting much story wise from ME3 ... I just wanted to kick reaper ass and settle down with blueberry and forget about everything in between from Arrival, a MacGuffin 5 minutes into ME3, to Cerberus going LOL indoctrinated,  to Legion betraying everything he ever stood for ... with a good ending I could have done that, the ending sticks in your mind the rest of the crap can be forgotten.

Mac wouldn't have that though ... noooo, we have to wallow in his ****. All that's left is complain about the stink.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 19 juillet 2013 - 12:52 .

[AlexMBrennan]

To the west they are Terrorists, but a large part of the world regards them as something else.

Who cares? al-Qaeda is considered a terrorist organisation by the USA, the EU and a bunch of other nations. In these nations, members of al-Qaeda are considered terrorists because that's how law works; it doesn't change because you feel that the law should be different or of other nations have different laws.