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[Iakus]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Neverwinter nights didn't steal baldur's gate's identity and name.

Umm...

They're both Dungeons and Dragons games

They both take place in the Forgotten Realms

Heck, they both take place on the continent of Faerun

[Iakus]

ShepnTali wrote...

New fictional universe sounds like DC universe earth 1, earth 2, retcons, and all that jazz.

Mass Effect:  The New 52, 

[Abraham_uk]

iggy4566 wrote...

 just make a reboot cause right as it stands Mass effect is pretty much dead just make a Reboot and try not to AT ANY WAY make it  have ties to ME3

To soon.
Way too soon.
Please note that Mass Effect 3 was released in 2012.

Reboot would probably be more appropriate in the year 2020 or better still 2027.

[Abraham_uk]

csm4267 wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

It would also be problematic to erase 10+ years worth of work on a canon trilogy just because a few people are still upset.

Change one thing, anyone would be upset. This is called family dynamics.

So you've got four people who played this game.

One likes the original ending
One doesn't like the original ending, but doesn't feel the need to change it
One wants the ending completely rewritten
One wants the entire game redone

Change any one of those and one of the people in that group will be upset.

At the end of the day, I have to ask, if people put so much energy bashing this, they could have spent that energy playing a different game they do enjoy, instead of hanging around here ranting about a game they don't like.

When you ask that the entire series be rewritten is almost like going to a movie theatre, watching a trilogy in sequence, not liking the third one and demanding that the entire thing be redone according to your specifications, and expect that the makers of the game do that. It's absolutely uncalled for.

Kind of reminds me of this book called Misery. I never read it, but the gist of it goes some mentally unstable fan held the author of a book hostage until she got the ending she wanted.  

So very true.

[Iakus]

csm4267 wrote...

Kind of reminds me of this book called Misery. I never read it, but the gist of it goes some mentally unstable fan held the author of a book hostage until she got the ending she wanted.  

belittling and marginalizing the opposition.  Imply they are in fact mentally unstable

a common tactic to avoid real debate.

[MrDbow]

Do not reboot.

[JoltDealer]

iakus wrote...

csm4267 wrote...

Kind of reminds me of this book called Misery. I never read it, but the gist of it goes some mentally unstable fan held the author of a book hostage until she got the ending she wanted.  

belittling and marginalizing the opposition.  Imply they are in fact mentally unstable

a common tactic to avoid real debate.

Well then sir, let's have a good old fashioned debate then.  Why a reboot?  For many, including myself, aside from Mass Effect 3's original and unchanged ending, the entire trilogy was superb.  The story was extremely interesting and the characters you met and/or fought alongside were believable and lifelike.  Slowly saying goodbye to them in Mass Effect 3 was like saying farewell to longtime friends.  The only thing that I had a problem with was the change in gameplay from one sequel to another.  Of course there was the original and attrocious ending to Mass Effect 3, but subsequent DLC releases (i.e. Extended Cut and Citadel) has long since fixed that in my and others' opinion.  Admittedly, it wasn't exactly perfect, but name one thing that is.

Why undo three relatively great games by rebooting the series?  Mass Effect 4 is going to be a sequel more than likely.  It's set in the same universe with the same aliens and concepts, but this time the Reapers are dealt with and gone.  It's going to be the start of a new and different story with a new cast of characters.  In a lot of ways, it's very similar to what you would get in a reboot.  So why a reboot?  I can only speculate as to specifics, but I would guess based on the posts you make on a regular basis that it has something to do with Mass Effect 3's ending and Bioware's unwillingness to change it flat-out.  And don't get me wrong, I understand your pain.  The original ending was horrendous, but Bioware has tried to fix it.  They succeeded in doing so in my eyes, but some people refuse to accept anything less than a completely new ending.  However, there exists the majority that are fine with things and are excited to move on to the next game in the series.

So my question is, why reboot the entire series for the sake of you *possibly* getting the ending you've always wanted?  Why completely undo a decade of work?  Wouldn't it be easier for you and the developers to do what so many others have done and get over your gripes regarding Mass Effect 3's ending?  Why not just move on and hope that the next game is better?  I mean after a certain point, it seems like the issue at hand is less about the actual Mass Effect series and more about you not getting exactly what you wanted.

Modifié par Crimson Sound, 24 juillet 2013 - 09:46 .

[Sebby]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Because the ending made me feel bad

I didn't get to see my Shep and his waifu holding hands at the beach.

[Iakus]

Crimson Sound wrote...
Well then sir, let's have a good old fashioned debate then.  Why a reboot?  For many, including myself, aside from Mass Effect 3's original and unchanged ending, the entire trilogy was superb.  The story was extremely interesting and the characters you met and/or fought alongside were believable and lifelike.  Slowly saying goodbye to them in Mass Effect 3 was like saying farewell to longtime friends.  The only thing that I had a problem with was the change in gameplay from one sequel to another.  Of course there was the original and attrocious ending to Mass Effect 3, but subsequent DLC releases (i.e. Extended Cut and Citadel) has long since fixed that in my and others' opinion.  Admittedly, it wasn't exactly perfect, but name one thing that is.

Why undo three relatively great games by rebooting the series?  Mass Effect 4 is going to be a sequel more than likely.  It's set in the same universe with the same aliens and concepts, but this time the Reapers are dealt with and gone.  It's going to be the start of a new and different story with a new cast of characters.  In a lot of ways, it's very similar to what you would get in a reboot.  So why a reboot?  I can only speculate as to specifics, but I would guess based on the posts you make on a regular basis that it has something to do with Mass Effect 3's ending and Bioware's unwillingness to change it flat-out.  And don't get me wrong, I understand your pain.  The original ending was horrendous, but Bioware has tried to fix it.  They succeeded in doing so in my eyes, but some people refuse to accept anything less than a completely new ending.  However, there exists the majority that are fine with things and are excited to move on to the next game in the series.

So my question is, why reboot the entire series for the sake of you *possibly* getting the ending you've always wanted?  Why completely undo a decade of work?  Wouldn't it be easier for you and the developers to do what so many others have done and get over your gripes regarding Mass Effect 3's ending?  Why not just move on and hope that the next game is better?  I mean after a certain point, it seems like the issue at hand is less about the actual Mass Effect series and more about you not getting exactly what you wanted.

See, now this is a good opening to a debate.  Well, up until those last couple of sentences at least.

And here's my response:

While EC might have fixed the endings for you, they didn't help me, nor did they help a whole bunch of others.  To a lot of people, the endings are still horrific.  A railroaded mess who's idea of player agency was "choose the evil you're willing to permit, then burn for it"  Any sequel will only be a reminder of what ME3 stood for in the end:  darkness, misery, and colorful atrocities.  There's a reason why people wanted a new ending

You say a reboot would undo these games?  how?  You still own the Mass Effect trilogy, and can play them any time you want.  All a reboot would do is close the circle, limiting the series to those three, and starting over with something new for subsequent games.  A series without any ties to Shepard or the rest of the cast or with their adventures and choices.

But if Mass Effect is a direct sequel, then it means that my Shepard, the one who's story the original trilogy was supposed to be about, was in fact forced to "pick a color"  and commit an atrocity on a galactic scale.  And that I will not do.  If a choice, any choice is canonized, even in a save import, it will taint the entire experience for me.  BEcause I will know how the galaxy got to that state, and I can't abide it.

[Erez Kristal]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

iakus wrote...

Because personally, I despise these endings so much I want no part of any future setting where any of them took place. I know what horrific acts society will have been rebuilt upon, and I want nothing to do with it.

Your personal porogative, I feel, is preventing you from seeing the utter redundancy and ludicrous tip toeing and double speak your idea is, espically since it requires more mental gymnastics to arrive at the exact same location.

What made us love mass effect was being invested in the universe, it was like being in a really good relationship
Mass effect 3 was the moment our partner cheated us. after that no matter how fun how partner will be. the memory of the partner cheating on us will always leave a big dark stain on the realtionship.

No matter how good the next game of mass effect be the mass effect universe will never be the same with the memories of the betrayel in mass effect 3.

Best thing is to erase that betrayel and try again. 
There is no need to remake me2, all we need is a me3 keeps the first two games relevant to the plot.

Modifié par erezike, 24 juillet 2013 - 07:05 .

[Erez Kristal]

iakus wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

It would also be problematic to erase 10+ years worth of work on a canon trilogy just because a few people are still upset.

Not really.

ME1-3 will still be out there for those who want to play it.  It's a self-contained story.

Neverwinter Nights doesn't invalidate Baldur's Gate, after all.

Mass effect 1-2 are self containted stories. 
Mass effect 3 was inspired by me1-2 but it plays like its in an alternate universe. :-)

[iggy4566]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I love all of the terrible analogies that constantly spring up when the endings are discussed.

HAHA sigh I really love how ya'll try to give the its only a few guys who hate it BS if it was just a few guys then why did most of the web and Canada spew venom at EAware, only on the BSN is there folk who try so hard to pass off anything bad about ME3 or its endings its really funny to the point where I feel kinda sad laughing at the BSN.

Modifié par iggy4566, 24 juillet 2013 - 07:28 .

[Cylon King]

I would like a game that starts out a prequel and ends up a sequel. Start out after ME2 and ME3, then end up 5 years after ME3.

It would be like a Star Trek Voyager where a ship gets stuck in another Galaxy with no way to return home.

Takes place during the period Shepard was stuck on Earth before ME3. The council selects an elite group of soldiers from all the main races in council space. Turian, Quarian, Krogan, Salerian, Asari, Volus and Human. It would be like the multiplayer where you select a race and they become this new shepard.

They are on a mission to get information on the Reapers from the Omega Relay and stop the Cerebrus ships from getting Reaper Technology. All the upgrades from the Normandy have been shared with the council to create the ship. Something happens and they are sent to another Galaxy.

If it is a trilogy I would like it to end with your choice at the end of ME3 but something happens.
Control- The control of the reapers is breaking by a stronger mind ie Harbinger and they need to destroy them
Destroy- Harbinger survived but damaged and continues assuming control.
Synthesis- Harbinger is taking control of leaders of all the races and getting the reapers rebuild.

Doing this way it would get rid of some of the poor changes and then be able to create direct sequels after ME3 without taking the 3 choices on board.

Modifié par Cylon King, 24 juillet 2013 - 07:39 .

[Wulfram]

I think a game set post-ending would do more to "undo" the games than a reboot. Since they'd be required to either canonise one option or downplay the impact of any choices.

Though I'd worry that a reboot would end up removing most of the things I like about the setting. Since they've mostly been neglected since ME1.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

OniTYME wrote...

Remake ME3 if anything. Rebooting is pointless.

This.

Use most of the same dialogue, but trim the fat. No Allers, no Starchild, no Stargazer, etc. Keep what people like, add in what people may like besides that.

[Teddie Sage]

Wouldn't mind a Mass Effect 3.5 as long as Shepard feels like MY Shepard and as long the endings feel like customized endings to our own decisions, Fallout New Vegas style.

[Fraq Hound]

DaftArbiter wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

Remake ME3 if anything. Rebooting is pointless.

This.

Use most of the same dialogue, but trim the fat. No Allers, no Starchild, no Stargazer, etc. Keep what people like, add in what people may like besides that.

I have to agree. Fix the damn trilogy.

I would still pay out the nose for the version of ME3 that we were promised.

Since I know that isn't going to happen, I have to back the OP.

Start over. New characters. New conflicts. New everything.

Otherwise, no thanks.

[Cainhurst Crow]

DaftArbiter wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

Remake ME3 if anything. Rebooting is pointless.

This.

Use most of the same dialogue, but trim the fat. No Allers, no Starchild, no Stargazer, etc. Keep what people like, add in what people may like besides that.

And go broke as less than 1/3 of your previous customers buy a game they pretty much already own and played, and just pirate the new scenes on youtube.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 25 juillet 2013 - 05:11 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

No reboot is needed (damage is already done). They just need to make a game that (ideally) redeems the franchise... which could be anything except a prequel.

[Freezingfire]

I would actually like a reboot, they can get ME1 into this age gameplay wise(story wise no large differences). Then they can actually work on the large plot of the trilogy in the new ME2, where you find something to defeat the reapers, and follow ME3 from there. You know, they could actually plan the whole thing without making **** up every time.

[DarthLaxian]

iakus wrote...

You misunderstand.  I don't want to redo Commander Shepard's story, I want a brand new story with zero connection to the old one.  It would be nice to go back and redo Shepard's story "right" but that's not gonna happen.  THe story's been torched and it's not getting fixed.

I don't want ME3 anywhere near any future installments of this universe.

No prequel
No sequel
No sidequel

Start over.  Same time period, same species, worlds, lore (what hasn't been smashed to pieces yet) new cast of characters, new adventures.  If you want Shepard's story, those games are over there.  This is something new.

Go back and stop being ashamed of making rpgs

this is a good idea even more as no one could say "we shall pay for something we already played, just because they made the gameplay "better" (also i have to say i like ME1 gameplay, too - i just don't like the silly stuck camera when you have a gun out, but that is the same for the whole game (and pretty aggravating IMHO))

greetings LAX
ps: shall we call it ME-Parrallel-Universe-Reboot?