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[billy the squid]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

What does this have to do with EA? It's not like they decide the market price for games. There are other companies, you know.

Besides, without EA backing Bioware, all games in recent years would have been flops, without a respectable marketing budget, smaller development teams and development times that would likely span 5+ years per game.

And? EA still dictates it's own prices, no one else.

Witcher 2. And what does a marketing budget have to do with development time?

[Monica83]

It's easy... I just don't puchase EA games and move in another better quality home of production or publisher.. Or a wait some time untill prices dropped...

[Sen4lifE]

For Dragon Age 3, I'll pay them whatever the hell they tell me to pay.

Edit:

And same goes for Mass Effect.  "You only want 80 dollars for this next 200 hours of my life awesomeness???"

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 22 juillet 2013 - 08:48 .

[Kalas Magnus]

Sen4lifE wrote...

For Dragon Age 3, I'll pay them whatever the hell they tell me to pay.

Edit:

And same goes for Mass Effect.  "You only want 80 dollars for this next 200 hours of my life awesomeness???"

really? even after that ending?

[Blackrising]

Here in Germany, the price for a newly released standard version of a game usually ranges from 50€ to 60€. Prices for CEs go from 70€ to 100€.

I usually wait a year or two after a game release until I get it, because then the price will have gone down to maybe 20€. (I'm currently thinking about maybe getting Deus Ex.)
If I can be reasonably sure I'll enjoy the game (either because it's a sequel to a game I liked or because I've read reviews and know what I'm getting myself into) I might dish out the full price if I have the cash to spare. But I don't buy the CE. (For example Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider 2013, Dragon's Dogma...etc.)
And then there are games I KNOW I will enjoy because I've enjoyed every other game in the series immensely. These are the games where I will pre-order the CE or at least buy it as soon as I can.
Dragon Age and Mass Effect are franchises like that. (In fact, I have two copies of ME1 (german and english standard ) and two copies of ME2 (english standard and german CE.) Also every other game Bioware decides to produce. I will also pre-order the CE of Saints Row IV, even though it's 100€ and I'm already low on cash since I had to send my Xbox in for repairs.

So yeah, if there was a DA:I CE for 120$ or whatever with good extras, I'd definitely buy it. What can I say, I'm the trusting sort.

Modifié par Blackrising, 22 juillet 2013 - 09:19 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

If it cost that much, I'll simply buy a pre-owned version.

[Gorguz]

I have no problem, since I have already decided that I won't pay more than 15€ for this game, and this is an option that is open to everybody. Why people have to buy stuff on day1, or preorder a bioware game, is beyond me. Those who complain that the game is going to be too expensive are even more cryptic. It's so easy to resist to such moods.

[InterrogationBear]

All publishers are raising prices in the UK, because the Britisch Pound lost about 30% of it's value in 2008 and never recovered. The european and US prices will stay the same.

Modifié par InterrogationBear, 22 juillet 2013 - 09:28 .

[fyre577]

I have a lot of doubt that EA's games will cost $80 USD, but...I'll just go ahead and follow along.

Would I pay $80 for it? Well...I have a rule of thumb I have yet to break, which is the fact that I go along with "one dollar equals one hour", so, if their games were to cost $80, I would have to get at least eighty hours worth of enjoyment out of them. That is really easily done for BioWare's games, as they generally last sixty hours in just one playthrough, add in a second playthrough, and I am already above eighty hours. In fact, I paid $160 for two versions of the N7 Collector's Edition (PS3 and PC, that is), so its not like I wouldn't fork out money for their higher-priced collector's edition if it had enough content with it (especially a soundtrack...).

Is eighty dollars too much for most people? Probably. I doubt the average joe would look at Battlefield 4 or even, dare I say it, BioWare's games and go "yeah I want to pay eighty dollars for that when most other games cost sixty". That is why I have a hard time believing that EA would commit sales-suicide by overpricing their games to that much of a degree.

[Firky]

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Rodia Driftwood wrote...

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Rodia Driftwood wrote...
Would you pay $100 on the "regular" Special Edition that would probably only have the usual digital content and a *****y litography? How about a $150-$200 Collector's Edition that has all that AND a poorly-crafted figurine?

This is already the case for Australians.

Australians don't count, unless you're 16 and living on allowance. Exhange rate is different, income is different, etc, etc.

Wow you're ignorant.

The Australian dollar has been close to the US dollar in value for years. Right this minute, it's worth 92 US cents.

The exchange rate has nothing to do with the price of games in Australia. If it did, they'd actually be much cheaper.

Not sure if it's ignorance.  Because what rationale human being would expect the "straya tax" on games if they didn't live here.

Honestly, I still don't understand it myself. Makes very little sense to me. My DA2 was AU$90 + $7 for Sebastian, at release.

But, it's an issue that I think is really important. Mark Serrels has written some stuff about it. Here is the Witcher 2 fair price package article. http://www.kotaku.co...e-in-australia/

Bio-devs, us Aussies are kind of used to the "straya tax" but surely something like this is worth considering ... ? (Of course, "This means that not only is GOG.com not making any money on the price
increase, it’s actually costing us money, because we’re paying royalties
to the publishers on the games our users are getting for free." Isn't entirely a compelling argument but, you know.)

[Osena109]

 Thank Goodness US PC players will not have to pay 80 dollars for this game

[bleetman]

Haha, buying games for full price on release.

Good one.

[devSin]

Osena109 wrote...

 Thank Goodness US PC players will not have to pay 80 dollars for this game

You won't until you have to.

Our games used to be $49, but then they went up to match the console prices (even though EA doesn't have to pay ransom for every copy manufactured like they do with the console versions). If console prices rise again, the PC prices will eventually go up too.

I love DA, but unless it's a collector's edition, I almost certainly wouldn't pay $80 just to be able to play the game at release, especially when you're still going to have to pay $50-100 for all the DLC.

[Firky]

I don't think I know anyone who buys at release any more. (Especially the last few years, with so much to play.)

The Witcher 2, with its fair price package, was one thing I made very sure to buy. (I suspect consumer loyalty, or whatever, still isn't a compelling argument. But it's just a point I think is worth making.)

[Catroi]

I find it pretty hillarious to see Americans complain about expensive games (no offence guys but your games are so cheap...)

[devSin]

Firky wrote...

I don't think I know anyone who buys at release any more. (Especially the last few years, with so much to play.)

I did for rare games, which had included BioWare in the past (though as of now it's really only the DA team).

I wouldn't be bothered at all paying the standard $79 price for the PC collector's edition of DA games (which is closer to $90 after tax), but the only games I've ever shelled out $100 for were the last two major Blizzard games (which only come out once a decade anyway, just about, and their collector's editions are stacked compared to anything BioWare has ever put out, especially in recent times).

I already buy all the DLC and the comics and the books. If that's not enough for them, then I guess I won't be able to support them as readily as I have in the past (though I don't expect prices to have risen before Inquisition's release anway, at least not in the US).

Modifié par devSin, 22 juillet 2013 - 10:28 .

[Beerfish]

I'm at an age and point in my life where the cost is not a limiting factor at all. That certainly wasn't always the case however.

[Fast Jimmy]

Do what I do - rent.

$15 a month Gamefly subscription. You can get it the day it comes out and play it for five months And still be less in the hole ($75). If you take a modest 10 hours a week play time times 5 months (20 weeks), that's 200 playtime hours. Plenty to make out ahead and you still play the game on Day 1.

[Firky]

Beerfish wrote...

I'm at an age and point in my life where the cost is not a limiting factor at all. That certainly wasn't always the case however.

I was at that stage a few years ago. Now I have 2 little kids. I think I used to be quite arrogant about it, like, "Games are my passion, $90 isn't that bad etc." Now prices worry me a lot.

[legbamel]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...
For Dragon Age 3, I'll pay them whatever the hell they tell me to pay.

Edit:

And same goes for Mass Effect.  "You only want 80 dollars for this next 200 hours of my life awesomeness???"

really? even after that ending?

Not everyone took the ending as some sort of personal insult from BioWare.  Personally, I expected Shep to die, I just thought god-boy was a cheesy way to accomplish the ending.  They had to end Shep's story or people would be speculating about a Mass Effect 4 when Shep found some new galactic threat to address every time someone with BioWare breathed in public.

As for paying $80 for a game, I might depending on what comes with the edition.  If it's free DLC or something else that makes it worth the money to me, why not?  That's what disposable income is for, isn't it?

[Navasha]

I don't understand why people get hung up on price? If a AAA game is $80 bucks and I play it for 400 hours(replays included), then it is still one incredible bargain.

You pay $25 bucks to go see a movie anymore for what ... 90 mins of entertainment(questionable entertainment at that).

Personally, I don't buy collector editions of anything that includes a bunch of physical "stuff". I am buying a game to play, not something to collect dust.

I would love to see a company come out with a Deluxe Content edition. $150 bucks and it includes double the content of the base game.

[PsychoBlonde]

crazychris153 wrote...

You do realize the NZ GDP is about 58% of that in America right, so youre arguement on Income is actually not on your side. 

The Gross Domestic Product in New Zealand is about $159 billion.  The GDP in America is about 15 TRILLION, or about 100 TIMES the New Zealand GDP.  So, no, the NZ GDP is not even remotely 58% of the US GDP. 

NZ per capita GDP is about 81% of the U.S per capita GDP.

That being said, I have absolutely no idea why games cost so much in Australia/NZ.  Some kind of tax for being upside down I guess.

Gaming companies have not successfully raised the prices on games in the U.S. in quite a while.  Now, if you're including their whole "Project Ten Dollar" thing, the game already DOES cost that much.  Since I plan to preorder whatever edition gets me all the digital swag (I don't like physical swag, only DLC swag), I expect I'll probably be paying ~$70 for my copy of DA:I.  I'm a PC gamer, though, so I can't say what the console versions will look like.7

[Realmzmaster]

I find it interesting that many find $49.95 for a standard game and $80 for a Collector's edition to be expensive. The price of games has remained static for a long time. Ultima VII which came out in 1992 was $69.95. Death Knights of Krynn (Gold Box game) back in 1991 cost $49.95. $49.95 was the average MSRP back in the 90's.
That was 22 years ago.
Compare that with the price of a movie ticket over the same time period> 1991 :$4.21 2013: $7.93

Roughly an 88% jump.
So what got cut to keep the prices static: detailed manuals, feelies and extraneous packaging.
By feelies I mean items like a miniature toolkit that came with Origins AutoDuel or cloth maps that use to come in the Ultima boxes.

If games actually keep pace with inflation and movie prices you may have been paying much more.

The choice is always the consumers whether to buy or not. A publisher has to set a price that will cover the costs and net the publisher reasonable profit while remaining competitive with pricing within the industry.

The consumer has the choice to buy, wait for a price drop or not buy. As Fast Jimmy said you can also rent.

Note: All of this is about U.S. prices.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 23 juillet 2013 - 02:31 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Filament wrote...

The problem with renting in general is when you look around and see you have nothing to show for all that you've experienced, and realize you're this guy in the end.

LOL I love the Blade Runner reference, but I don't get the overall sentiment. 

How many games do we own that we beat and are now just collecting dust on our shelf? Worse yet... how many games did we buy that are gathering dust on our shelf that we DIDN'T beat (or even play)? 

Owning a game is not a bad thing, but if money is a concern (as it would indicate for at least the OP), renting is a valuable alternative by far. Cheaper than buying used, yet having access to games the day they come out. If you want to play multip titles at once, you can rent more than one game at a time for an extra four bucks a month. If you want to rent a PC game one time and a game for the 360 next (or at the same time), they have just as wide of a variety as your average GameStop (more, in fact, given their catalogue of indie titles as well).

It's not for everyone, but I don't feel I've "missed out" on anything by not owning the physical box anymore. With Steam and other DRM, such boxes are irrelevant in many cases anyway.

I know your comment was mainly in jest, but I did want to get up on my soapbox and preach the gospel of rented games, as Fast Jimmy sees it.