I'm replaying Mass Effect 2, and just completed Mordin's loyalty mission, where at the end you are presented with the decision to either keep Maelons research or destroy it because it is tainted with horrible experiments. For this I chose to keep the research, because otherwise the deaths would have been in vain and the game seems to present this choice as morally right.
Now thinking forward to the ending of ME2, you are presented with the decision to either keep or destroy the collector base. This time the renegade is the keep the base as millions of people have horrifically died on it. I don't understand this. If you destroy it, ALL those people will have died for absolutely nothing. Surely keeping it means they have done their part to help humanity, be it in a terrible way. I know for sure if I had been in that position i'd have wanted humanity to keep the base to boost their chances against the reapers, instead of me dieing for nothing.
Thoughts? I find myself agreeing with the Illusive man that the base could really help the galaxy (though of couse it just gives you a little more War Asset score -.-)
Moral Decisions in Mass Effect 2
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fpfireharden
, juil. 20 2013 12:25
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Posté 20 juillet 2013 - 02:04
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Although I think Bioware generally does a poor job with the whole renegade/paragon thing, there is at least one difference between the two situations. If you save the base, you are not helping the "galaxy" you are helping Cerberus, which despite its claims, does not even give a rip about humanity, much less any of the other species. You can explore this aspect with the Illusive Man by initially picking the middle option instead of going straight to the paragon option. You will see that Sheppard questions whether he is helping humanity, or himself. So there is that.
For ME3, it turns out the renegade path actually is the better option since it gives you 10 more war assets than the paragon path. Nevertheless, I almost always pick the paragon path because it is what my crew wants. It is also fun to bring Miranda along just for her little "I quit" dialogue.
For ME3, it turns out the renegade path actually is the better option since it gives you 10 more war assets than the paragon path. Nevertheless, I almost always pick the paragon path because it is what my crew wants. It is also fun to bring Miranda along just for her little "I quit" dialogue.
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Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 01:49
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fpfireharden wrote...
If you destroy it, ALL those people will have died for absolutely nothing. Surely keeping it means they have done their part to help humanity, be it in a terrible way.
I don't believe those deaths did anything to help humanity. Thousands of people died for the sole purpose of advancing the Reaper's cause by building another Reaper. Keeping the base means you're okay with that, that those deaths are "acceptable" losses. You're willing to go that far to stop the Reapers.
Paragon Shep isn't willing to. As he says, he won't sacrifice his humanity to win the war.
That's my take on it anyway.
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Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 10:28
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I agree not utilizing the base for research is moronic at best, especially considering how powerful they are supposed to be. and a million times worse is that the base is hard evidence of the reapers presence, such that might actually make the council acknowledge and prepare against them. the colonists deaths are nothing compared to that alone. Although for the same reason turning over the base to Cerberus in secret is about equally senseless.
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Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 01:35
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I want to raise a question here. For the Maelon cure data, are you sure it is always paragon to destroy it? On your first dialogue option with Mordin you can go paragon and say the source is tainted, or you can pick a neutral option. When I picked the neutral option, this led to a four-way dialogue option. I can't remember all the options, but I think there is a paragon way to save the data. "You should help the Krogan" I didn't pick that one because I wasn't sure what it would do, but I guess it might save the data.
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Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 03:54
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cap and gown wrote...
I want to raise a question here. For the Maelon cure data, are you sure it is always paragon to destroy it? On your first dialogue option with Mordin you can go paragon and say the source is tainted, or you can pick a neutral option. When I picked the neutral option, this led to a four-way dialogue option. I can't remember all the options, but I think there is a paragon way to save the data. "You should help the Krogan" I didn't pick that one because I wasn't sure what it would do, but I guess it might save the data.
For Maelon's data, there are two Paragon options and two Renegade options. The two Paragon options keep the data, and the two Renegade options destroy the data.
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Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 08:44
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cap and gown wrote...
I want to raise a question here. For the Maelon cure data, are you sure it is always paragon to destroy it? On your first dialogue option with Mordin you can go paragon and say the source is tainted, or you can pick a neutral option. When I picked the neutral option, this led to a four-way dialogue option. I can't remember all the options, but I think there is a paragon way to save the data. "You should help the Krogan" I didn't pick that one because I wasn't sure what it would do, but I guess it might save the data.
Actually yes, I remember this. First of all the paragon was "This data is tainted" something like that. Then I believe Mordin says something along the lines of "but these people will have died for nothing" and then paragon becomes save the data. I can't quite remember.
