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[dreamgazer]

TheProtheans wrote...

That really doesn't address what I thought Dreamgazer said as the better cheese would be improving the quality which is not something Dreamgazer mentioned.

We can't make any judgment calls on that yet, really.  That's why.

We're dealing completely in hypotheticals on quality and quantity. Graphics noticeably improved over this generation though, if you want to address that, and the material we've seen thus far of the next-gen material shows that they're getting even better, too. 

[Jadebaby]

General Slotts wrote...

No, of course not. Making a game is easy yo. Super Meat Boy was created by two dudes, enough said.

No, Super Meat Boy was designed by two dudes, they still needed a team for the development phase. Not to mention getting a 3rd party composer for the music.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I would gladly welcome a complete ban on used games. I'm betting it's going to happen sooner or later, anyway. We won't be buying disks for too much longer.

Why do you think it's going to happen sooner or later?

[Nole]

TheGarden2010 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Blame the people that buys used games.

blame the companies that make crappy games which force the gamers to give their copies away. if the game is good, they won't give their copy away, now will they?

I read a time ago that the stores that sell used games make more money than the developers of the games.

[Jadebaby]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I would gladly welcome a complete ban on used games. I'm betting it's going to happen sooner or later, anyway. We won't be buying disks for too much longer.

Why do you think it's going to happen sooner or later?

because the digital age is ever approaching.

Getting rid of discs would hurt retailers immensely.

[David7204]

Because it's pretty much necessary for digital only games to work. And digital only games are the future. There's no reason why producers will throw half of the retail price down the drain for manufacturing, shipping, and retailing when they can send it to your Xbox directly via download.

Modifié par David7204, 20 juillet 2013 - 05:51 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Good, if it'll stop nickle and dimming off dlc. Then I fully support it.

So, you are saying that EA will decide to sell the game for $80 rather than $80+$10 Day One DLC... out of the goodness of their heart?

Secondly, the article in question is about console game prices only so... how is this news? Console games have always been expensive.

Because it's pretty much necessary for digital only games to work. And digital only games are the future

That is begging the question - how do you know that digital only is the future?

There's no reason why producers will throw half the games price down the drain for manufacturing, shipping, and retailing

Except brick-and-mortar stores reach more people. Whilst I don't know details of PS4 and xbone I'm pretty sure that buying a physical thing in a store for cash will remain easier than buying a digital game copy.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 20 juillet 2013 - 05:55 .

[Jadebaby]

WittingEight65 wrote...

TheGarden2010 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Blame the people that buys used games.

blame the companies that make crappy games which force the gamers to give their copies away. if the game is good, they won't give their copy away, now will they?

I read a time ago that the stores that sell used games make more money than the developers of the games.

Yes but from what I understand, they make so little of the inital sell of the first-hand copies that they need those second hand sales to keep themselves afloat.

[TheProtheans]

WittingEight65 wrote...

TheGarden2010 wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Blame the people that buys used games.

blame the companies that make crappy games which force the gamers to give their copies away. if the game is good, they won't give their copy away, now will they?

I read a time ago that the stores that sell used games make more money than the developers of the games.

It must of been from the same people that told you that downloading movies/music off the internet causes the companies to lose possible profit from the person who downloaded it.

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...
I would gladly welcome a complete ban on used games. I'm betting it's going to happen sooner or later, anyway. We won't be buying disks for too much longer.

The EU Court Disagrees with you.

[David7204]

That doesn't matter. Selling used games being legal is not the same thing at all from publishers being forced to allow it.

Modifié par David7204, 20 juillet 2013 - 05:55 .

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

That doesn't matter. Selling used games being legal is not the same thing at all from publishers being forced to allow it.

They aren't allowed to ban it though, which is what you're advocating.

[David7204]

TheProtheans wrote...

[It must of been from the same people that told you that downloading movies/music off the internet causes the companies to lose possible profit from the person who downloaded it.

Despite what you may think, data has clearly shown that music producers have indeed lost net income from free downloads.

[David7204]

Fixers0 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That doesn't matter. Selling used games being legal is not the same thing at all from publishers being forced to allow it.

They aren't allowed to ban it though, which is what you're advocating.

They may not be able to ban it by litigation. By they can absolutely ban it by simply writing their software to make it impossible. Which they've all done anyway.

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

They may not be able to ban it by litigation. By they can absolutely ban it by simply writing their software to make it impossible. Which they've all done anyway.

Which still doesn't change anything to the fact that they arent allowed to foribd re-selling used games.

Modifié par Fixers0, 20 juillet 2013 - 06:02 .

[SlottsMachine]

The thing is that if things are as bad as some of these publishers claim maybe Gatt's right, we do need a gaming crash. Because price gouging the consumer is not a sustainable business model. Either a) consumers will get bitter and stop buying your products or they'll just run out of money.

[TheProtheans]

David7204 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

[It must of been from the same people that told you that downloading movies/music off the internet causes the companies to lose possible profit from the person who downloaded it.

Despite what you may think, data has clearly shown that music producers have indeed lost net income from free downloads.

Could be just the financial crisis that caused the drop, people have less to spend.

[David7204]

It's been going on before the financial crisis. And I'm certain they would take such things into account, anyway.

[David7204]

Fixers0 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

They may not be able to ban it by litigation. By they can absolutely ban it by simply writing their software to make it impossible. Which they've all done anyway.

Which still doesn't change anything to the fact that they arent allowed to foribd re-selling used games.

Yeah. They are. By, as I just said, writing their software to make it impossible.

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...
Yeah. They are. By, as I just said, writing their software to make it impossible. 

What the Techs do is up to them, They can't legally stop me from re-selling used games, period.

[David7204]

You do that. Maybe you should try hacking into my bank account and transferring my money around? You'll have just about as much success as trying to transfer a digital game from one person to another.

[Fixers0]

David7204 wrote...

You do that. Maybe you should try hacking into my bank account and transferring my money around? You'll have just about as much success as trying to transfer a digital game from one person to another.

Oh, believe me, there are certainly ways to do so.

[Allison_Lightning]

The reason for the price jack up is insane and I say this as an Australian gamer who will be paying about a hundred dollars for Dragon Age: Inquisition.

The thing is you can swallow DLC if the base game is only a set amount but adding to that. What the bright geniuses will end up doing is scaring away pre-orders and crashing the video game market. It's like all those entertainment corporations. They have this funny idea in their head that if they charge more they'll get more money plus DLC money. No one better be delusional enough to think that extra twenty will change anything. That's not how it works. The whole reason they try mass appeal is because they need massive numbers to buy the initial game. The price is too high and people won't buy.

But they really do seem to be guaranteeing a weak adoption of the next generation consoles. I mean it's like Blu-Ray which almost became dead on arrival a few years ago. The difference is there's the numbers for a slow progression whereas gaming is becoming a luxury that the mass numbers required to make these games won't be able to afford. Money is still tight for a lot of people, and somehow, and it's not confined to EA, a lot of companies are making the same mistakes. The only difference is the lost padding that saved them last time, isn't going to be there a second time. I'm more worried about people losing their homes and jobs than I am the gaming industry dying. Maybe it needs to wilt and come back again, I don't know but what EA should be scared of is when all the bad decisions come home to roost, people aren't going to buy videogames.

It's the wrong time to do it, that's all. And physical discs are definitely essential. What little game ownership rights we have are important and well bandwidth is not free. Next generation titles are going to have big files in digital downloads.

[David7204]

Is that right? I'd be delighted to hear you explain how to defeat encryption that is mathematically impossible to crack. I'd also be delighted to hear why you think Steam, Origins, and the Xbox Marketplace aren't more concerned about this.

[David7204]

Allison_Lightning wrote...

And physical discs are definitely essential.

The steady growth of digital ditribution services in the past few years at the expanse of retail discs seems to say otherwise.

Modifié par David7204, 20 juillet 2013 - 06:26 .