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[Arcian]

Throwing in a billion bucks to make the best game of all times past, present and future isn't going to guarantee a perfect 10/10 product without the money being used efficiently and on the correct assets.

Either BioWare had the money and didn't use it efficiently, or they hadn't and had to make due with what they got from EA. Even worse, they could have mismanaged their limited budget and wasted it on assets and ideas that didn't pay off or get included in the final game.

What's clear is that the shoe chafed during the making of ME3. The million dollar question is where.

[jstme]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Movie ticket prices and theater prices have done the same thing. I remember movie tickets being 7.00's. I'm not kidding, I actually do remember the big "General admission: 7.00" signs from my childhood in the 90's. Flash forward to today and it's like, 12.00 where I live, 10.00 for a matenee or however you spell it.
Meanwhile, games are still the same price they were 10 years ago? Something doesn't add up here.

Funny thing,scewed movie tickets vs scewed video game prices comparison appear so often both in forums and outside of those that one might start suspecting there are hordes of people just contemplating whether they want to go to movies or buy a video game. In my experience it is completely false, but this theme strangely keeps popping up like some magical marketing mantra.
So first - video games prices did increase during last 10 years. At least 100% increase,which is more then your movies price example Second, why don't you compare it to book prices? Or to museum ticket? Or to visit to restaurant? There are more forms of enterntainment then movies.

I would like to see your proof, sir.

I just wasted tons of my time searching for prices of games decade ago and while it is really hard to find anything substantial it is pretty clear that i was wrong with my assumptions. Prices did not rise 100%,far from it. 
2013 splinter cell will cost 60$ at release while 2003 splinter cell price i found on some ancient forum mentioned 50$ and i can not be sure that it is release price.
so in short - i was wrong about video game prices assesment. But not about unfitting comparison to movies . 

Modifié par jstme, 20 juillet 2013 - 08:20 .

[AresKeith]

EntropicAngel wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Or maybe they don't have money magically appearing from thin air? I really still think you've failed to grasp this simple concept - They don't have money they don't have. That's the end of it.

They don't have money they don't have.

What should they have cut from the game for dialogue? And don't say multiplayer. Given the success of it, it's very likely it subsidizes single player, not the other way around. Game budgets don't work that way anyway.

Judging by their statements about how EA gives them what they want, as silly as your hyperbole is it actually has a ring of truth to it.

You're re-directing the conversation. This conversation was about the nonsense of a statement like "used games should be banned."

He does that when he can't make an argument

[David7204]

I think you're the one re-directing things from a point you can't make. What 'hyperbole' was in my post? The fact that the don't have money appearing magically? That's rock solid truth. The fact that they don't have money they don't have? Perfectly truthful. If this is a mistake, you tell me how they fix it. What magic hole do they pull this money out of?

I can make two arguments at once, anyway. What reasoning do you have to support that 'all bans are a bad idea' particularly this one?

Modifié par David7204, 20 juillet 2013 - 08:25 .

[David7204]

Arcian wrote...

Throwing in a billion bucks to make the best game of all times past, present and future isn't going to guarantee a perfect 10/10 product without the money being used efficiently and on the correct assets.

Either BioWare had the money and didn't use it efficiently, or they hadn't and had to make due with what they got from EA. Even worse, they could have mismanaged their limited budget and wasted it on assets and ideas that didn't pay off or get included in the final game.

What's clear is that the shoe chafed during the making of ME3. The million dollar question is where.

You see, this is a very silly attitude. Because there's something of an implication here that BioWare had less than average and had to make something less than average as a result. And that's ridiculous. How many games have as much single player content as ME 3 does and multiplayer for 60 bucks? Very, very few.

Modifié par David7204, 20 juillet 2013 - 08:22 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And tell me no one saw this price increase coming? If they stop nickel and diming us for Day 1 DLC I fully support it.

EDIT: this is actually less than I thought it was going to be.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 20 juillet 2013 - 08:24 .

[SlottsMachine]

^Dead Space 3

[Nitrocuban]

And what will the Collectors Edition cost then?150?

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And tell me no one saw this price increase coming? If they stop nickel and diming us for Day 1 DLC I fully support it.

You know that's not going to happen.

[David7204]

This is the market regulating itself. It obviously wouldn't be a legal ban. Just publishers choosing to sell their product a certain way. If they don't want their product to be used in such ways, they have every right to sell them as such.

If you want a quality product, it takes money. That's really the end of it.

Modifié par David7204, 20 juillet 2013 - 08:56 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Something tells me that game development needs to get more efficient... You'd think that working in a higher fidelity would make for easier workflows (less tricks required to get the desired result) and consequently, lighter production costs.

Ah well, I remember when N64 games were $70 a pop. If they charge 80... that game better be darn good, lol.

[Arcian]

David7204 wrote...

This is the market regulating itself. It obviously wouldn't be a legal ban. Just publishers choosing to sell their product a certain way. If they don't want their product to be used in such ways, they have every right to sell them as such.

If you want a quality product, it takes money. That's really the end of it.

And yet your retort to my previous post suggests it is inane to suggest ME3 was a crap game because BioWare wasn't given the resources they needed.

Please, David, just make up your damn mind for once.

Modifié par Arcian, 20 juillet 2013 - 09:26 .

[ShadyKat]

Jadebaby wrote...

Good, if it'll stop nickle and dimming off dlc. Then I fully support it.

They will probably still slap dlc on top of the higher prices.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

ShadyKat wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Good, if it'll stop nickle and dimming off dlc. Then I fully support it.

They will probably still slap dlc on top of the higher prices.

Probably?  Oh no they're doing it.  Revenue streams don't stop when development inflation is blamed.

[AresKeith]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Good, if it'll stop nickle and dimming off dlc. Then I fully support it.

They will probably still slap dlc on top of the higher prices.

Probably?  Oh no they're doing it.  Revenue streams don't stop when development inflation is blamed.

Plus microtransactions 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Oh Davey, you're so dreamy when you act the fool.

[spirosz]

Is Jack in it?

[GreatBlueHeron]

Jadebaby wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

what's an extra $20? one hour of work?

Try two hours.

If you're getting $10 an hour, and you're over the age of 18 (I always assumed you were), you need a new job.

Hahahahaha....ohohohoheheheeee  Oh, my sides hurt!  I'd love a better paying job, but reality called and told me the private and public sector is out and has been for quite some time.  There just aren't enough decent paying jobs out there.  I'm lucky that I'm no longer in food service, but the job I have isn't much better.
I will not pay 80.00 for a video game that's a standard edition.  I did pay 80.00 for Mass Effect 3 Collectors Ed., but I rarely do that.  Sheesh, 80.00 is about 20% of my non-commision check (get paid every 2 weeks).  I know, a drop in a very large bucket for a lot of posters here.....not me.  I have to make a down payment for that amount.

[SlottsMachine]

^Yeah, Jade had a David moment there. Not to mention its such a simple way to look at it.

[Jadebaby]

Depends on your job. Pay is all relative.

[KENNY4753]

well better start saving before EA bumps it up to 100

[AngryFrozenWater]

If that 80 was for a CE and I liked the series then I might give in to the temptation. But I simply won't pay that amount for a regular game.