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[Tootles FTW]

I like when certain characters exert agency and flirt of their own volition, without prompting. Sadly, the backlash received from the Anders flirt (from male players, and regarding the Rivalry points) probably killed any future cases of that happening.
Unless it's a totally hot female. Then it's okay and no one cares.

[Angrywolves]

Didn't like the changes done to Anders in DA2 from Awakening and didn't like him coming on to hawke.

[TK514]

Tootles FTW wrote...

I like when certain characters exert agency and flirt of their own volition, without prompting. Sadly, the backlash received from the Anders flirt (from male players, and regarding the Rivalry points) probably killed any future cases of that happening.
Unless it's a totally hot female. Then it's okay and no one cares.

Anders is why we can't have nice things.

[Isaidlunch]

Plaintiff wrote...

As usual, when this topic comes up, people are grossly overstating the issue.

You can avoid both romance and Rivalry points easily, as demonstrated by this video here. Or you could just flirt the one time and never follow it up, he doesn't pursue you.

And as this video demonstrates, Hawke's rejection isn't that harsh anyway.

He says "Let's not speak of this again."

Anders replies with "Fine, I hear you, strictly professional."

No exclamations of disgust, no insults. None of the violence that I've heard straight men claim they would use if a gay guy ever made a pass at them.

Hell, Hawke is downright polite. Rejection is never nice, I don't know what more anyone can expect.

The line that people seem to have a problem with is "I don't want you thinking about me that way.", which is a little over the top especially with the face Hawke pulls. It's not a big deal but it would have been nice to be able to choose to be more polite (like the line you mentioned above) since the only options in the diplomatic path are either flirting or being rude.

Modifié par Kazanth, 20 juillet 2013 - 11:01 .

[Renmiri1]

AutumnWitch wrote...

I was playing DA 2 last night and was at the part when Anders is trying to romance. Once thing I didn't like was I had to either flirt back or be really rude...
~A

Groan... This thread again.

1) You can regain that -10 easily in Act 1 alone

2) It is not rude, it is honest

3) He gets over it as any adult that has flirted once or twice before does. Not all flirts hit the jackpot.

I'm going to bet you are male and it hurts YOUR feelings because it hurts when you hear it from people you flirt with.

We women get flirted with and have to turn down advances sometimes daily. Trust me on this, it is a gentle let down, short and to the point, not offensive and doesn't give the "flirter" false hope or mixed messages. It is better than to tell him you are going to be busy washing your hair for the next six months. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 21 juillet 2013 - 03:17 .

[Beerfish]

Mike 9987 wrote...

People generally don't like it when you reject them. Regardless on how polite you are.

The big problem with  that is the old heart ot broken hear things come up 20 seconds after you meet the guy.  That romance was poorly done in the rush to let the player know that Anders was available.

[Am1vf]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

If you get to that point it's because you were heavily flirting with him in the first place.

No you don't..I NEVER flirt with any of the men and Anders always backs me into that corner just cuz I help him with his silly plans....but I never once flirt with him.

That's what they all say!

^_^But yes, that part doesn't really work well.

[Renmiri1]

Heh, any girl past 8 has had a boy pull her pigtails, offer ice cream or other flirt. We grow up having to deal with those and we learn that being rude will get us a lot more trouble than -10 friendship. Bugs in your hair, snails in your lunchbox, nicknames ending with "itch"... Because 8 year old boys can't deal with rejection well.

But most boys and girls grow up and learn to behave like adults. A simple "I'm not interested" is not a big deal. It isn't earth shattering or shaming. Maybe the person wants to focus on other things, not romance right now, maybe she/ he isn't interested in people of your gender, maybe he / she already has someone.

It's not like you say "Ewww Anders I loathe ferret faced apostate mages that sound like a broken record about mage rebellion, get lost!"

When you flirt with someone they can return your interest or not, you can't go through life getting majorly broken about every single person who is not that into you. Unless you are Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie, you are going to get a lot of "no thanks". Heck, even Brad and Angelina got dumped by others!

I really don't understand all the hand wringing about "the Anders flirt". It happens to all of us. Johnny Depp still hasn't written me back, after my fantastic fan letter to him I sent him when I was a teenager, can you believe it ? How rude!!! -100 friendship points for him. See if I watch Pirates of the Caribbean for the 10th time Mr Rudepants!

[RosaAquafire]

Why do people think of Rivalry as a punishment? Rivalry is usually better than Friendship, I like all of the paths better except Varric's. They're more interesting and have good conflict in them.

[devSin]

To me, this was just bad dialogue, and it boxed the player into only a few replies which were apparently unsuitable for the majority of characters.

There's something to be said for double-standards, but I'm pretty sure that's not what's happening in this particular thread.

[Renmiri1]

devSin wrote...

To me, this was just bad dialogue, and it boxed the player into only a few replies which were apparently unsuitable for the majority of characters.

There's something to be said for double-standards, but I'm pretty sure that's not what's happening in this particular thread.

Do you see any complaints about having to let down Isabella ?

[devSin]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Do you see any complaints about having to let down Isabella ?

I don't even remember the Isabela dialogue, so I imagine it was handled better.

Like I said, there's undeniably an element of intolerance in some of the reaction to this particular conversation, but I'm not sure how useful a discussion of it is when the complaint is coming from a female player (which is the case here, unless I'm mistaken).

[Sabariel]

I didn't care about the rivalry points. I did care that the only way to dissuade Anders was to be a total buttmeat about it. So, yes, a more gentle way to say "I'm not interested" would be nice.

[Maria Caliban]

wright1978 wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

People generally don't like it when you reject them. Regardless on how polite you are.

Yeah even if rejection is polite i can't see the character not taking a hit in friendship at the rejection.

Because friendship/rivalry isn't general like/dislike. It's 'supports things I see important'/'goes against things I think are important.'

Renmiri1 wrote...

Do you see any complaints about having to let down Isabella ?

Isabela was chill about it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 juillet 2013 - 06:46 .

[Fredward]

Dude. People are allowed to get upset when you reject them. You don't have to agree with their reaction but you don't get to dictate how they feel either. And it is JUST 10 points. It is VERY easy to get back.

[Nightdragon8]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Dude. People are allowed to get upset when you reject them. You don't have to agree with their reaction but you don't get to dictate how they feel either. And it is JUST 10 points. It is VERY easy to get back.

pretty much this, there is enough points in the first act to top him off from what i heard.

[ultimatekotorfan]

Billie Bones wrote...

Or have the person you rejected kill your LI.

*Ahem*

You know... You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, in DA:I , Bioware makes it that, like, a mage will get shot with an arrow, or a shipload of templars will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan." But when they set it that one little LI will die, well then everyone loses their minds! Introduce a little anarchy to the LIs. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.

This is one of the better things I've ever read.

[Ellyria]

Tootles FTW wrote...

I like when certain characters exert agency and flirt of their own volition, without prompting. Sadly, the backlash received from the Anders flirt (from male players, and regarding the Rivalry points) probably killed any future cases of that happening. 
Unless it's a totally hot female. Then it's okay and no one cares.

This. So much this. Sometimes it just seems awkward when you have the PC throw out random and extremely horrible flirts and hope the other person bites. Like you said, it probably won't happen again because some people kick up a fuss over such a little thing. Makes you wonder if people hitting on them in real life makes them scream about their immersion being ruined. 

Beerfish wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

People generally don't like it when you reject them. Regardless on how polite you are.

The big problem with  that is the old heart ot broken hear things come up 20 seconds after you meet the guy.  That romance was poorly done in the rush to let the player know that Anders was available.

Meh, Anders is clingy in that way. In my opinion, best to turn him down hard and fast right out of the gate. (Not that it really helps any, he still pines for Hawke the whole game.)

Also, Fenris has a flirt option during his recruitment conversation, so does Sebastian (for females), and I think Isabela does as well, or the conversation right after. So... 4/5 of them are shown to be readily available within their first few conversations. People just tend to harp on Anders because he's an extra forward dude with rivalry points if you turn him down.

[In Exile]

EntropicAngel wrote...
There's a difference between "No, thank you" and "Eww, you're a weirdo!" Pretending there isn't is silly.

That WAS poorly done, no way around it.

I have to replay that scene, but I'm pretty sure you can dodge this entire romance conversation depending on the lines that you pick. I think it can't be that you pick a pro-Justice option? It's been very long. 

[ames4u]

AutumnWitch wrote...

duckley wrote...

Mike 9987 wrote...

People generally don't like it when you reject them. Regardless on how polite you are.

True ... but maybe a minus 5 verusus 10 - or allow some variance in between

-25 - No way - you pervert loser
-15 - If you were good-looking .... maybe
-10 - Is not you, its me
-5 - I am flattered but...

you get the idea

perfect! (and they need to work on their chat up lines as well.)

Heres the problem with this; Anders had only just met you for all over five minutes and players are supposed to be ok with the fact that he immediately tries to get with the PC (regardless of gender) and act's like a jilted lover when you turn him down. If he had known the PC for more than five seconds, I could understand the hit in friendship points, otherwise it is just BS sloppily tied up in a tortilla wrap.

And that's not even getting into the fact that he does this directly after murder knifing his boyfriend. Nerfed romance/flirting full stop.

Modifié par ames4u, 21 juillet 2013 - 03:16 .

[Vapaa]

devSin wrote...

To me, this was just bad dialogue, and it boxed the player into only a few replies which were apparently unsuitable for the majority of characters.

It's not bad dialogue, it's bad fan reaction
So much fuss for 10 rivalry points ? really ? (well I belive Anders hitting on "manly Hawke" might have butthurt "certain" people)

The line do come quite early, I personaly didn't get why he's flirtatous when he and Hawke barely met, but apart for this detail, Anders rejection is a non-problem that people blew it out of proportion