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[ames4u]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Didn't hate it. I have it a 7/10 but I am NOT going to excuse its faults the way you have.  Some of us paid full price for DA2 and it simplay was NOT worth the full $65.00.   

Act 2 was the best part but Act 1 was a linear piece of garbage. I wanted to see Lothering destruction. I wanted to feel it and experience it and instead we got a linear path.  And the only wayc ACT 3 is decent is with the DLC added to it

I would have happily paid 100 for it and not complained at all. I guess its all relative.

Well congratulations, you might just get your wish granted if the rumour
about EA's $80 price tag for their next gen games comes true. <_<

[ames4u]

DPSSOC wrote...

I'm thinking the whole thing with the Wardens will be a red herring like the Dark Energy in ME2.  Now whether it was intentionally put in as a red herring or they just drop it later I couldn't say, but I've got a feeling it's going to amount to nothing.

AutumnWitch wrote...

Vit246 wrote...
Personally I ignore DA2. Its story is such a mess that I suspect the writers threw in things like the grey wardens leaving just like that without much afterthought.

I have never understood the people who dislike DA2 so much. I liked it better than DAO TBO. The story was smaller and seemed much more intimate.

Personally it's the lack of player agency and illusion of choice.  Also found the story unfocused with very little tying the Acts together.  I don't hate it but it's one of the worse RPGs I've played.

I'm with you on that. But I'd also like to add that I also sour and detest on DA2 because Hawke could be completely removed from the game and nothing would've changed. He's the no-man of the series; as in No-man you aren't necessary to the plot at all.

Even better; What was the damn point of Hawke and his utterly worthless family anyway? He has no stake in the events that transpire once he's situated in the mansion and loses all of his family. Now don't get me wrong, I liked Leandra and Bethany (even Gamlen's daughter to an extent) but it's obvious they were nothing short of a tool to add pointless drama in when the writers deemed it necessary.

The lack of interaction with my companions was one of the worst thing Bioware could've done.

[Beerfish]

Probably had to recruit another 30 of the best warriors in the land so that 20 of them can die in the joining.

[Renmiri1]

I don't hate Origins but it is a very tired and used plot: "Gather elves and mages to combat the big bad who will destroy the world".

Don't get me wrong, I love Tolkien and I loved DAO, it was a superb clone of LoTR with a lot of nice characters, side stories and quests. Combat was beyond awful - IMHO - to me it was so slow as to be almost unplayable.

But I really loved DA2. Sure it has been rushed and it shows (reused maps UGH) but the story was so creative! People say they want innovation but when they get it they cry foul. No you didn't have a lot of "player agency" because guess what, Dragon Age is a franchise about the world of Thedas not about Hawke, Warden, Sheppard or any individual. What you get to experience is a world in the brink of chaos and your PC and his /her companions are powerless to stop the mage / templar war. You were not supposed to stop it. It has to happen to move ahead on the story the franchise wants to tell.

I really enjoyed DA2's story, the way it was told on Acts 1 and 2 - though I agree, a little bit more of Lothering would have been nice - and even half of Act 3. but then it is like people change too abrubptly and we have little time to enjoy the fruits of our struggles on Act 2 and we are again on deep shiite. The DLCs give us a bit more time to quest and be with our companions and LI so Act 3 ends up being ok, but it could have been much better.

I loved DA2's combat and my sarcastic FemHawke. I loved the LI stories. I loved the party banter. DA2 is among my favorite games, in spite of it's flaws. It dared to break the mold and go somewhere different and I appreciate the effort.

[Eternal Phoenix]

DPSSOC wrote...

I'm thinking the whole thing with the Wardens will be a red herring like the Dark Energy in ME2.  Now whether it was intentionally put in as a red herring or they just drop it later I couldn't say, but I've got a feeling it's going to amount to nothing.

AutumnWitch wrote...

Vit246 wrote...
Personally I ignore DA2. Its story is such a mess that I suspect the writers threw in things like the grey wardens leaving just like that without much afterthought.

I have never understood the people who dislike DA2 so much. I liked it better than DAO TBO. The story was smaller and seemed much more intimate.

Personally it's the lack of player agency and illusion of choice.  Also found the story unfocused with very little tying the Acts together.  I don't hate it but it's one of the worse RPGs I've played.

Having played Two Worlds 1 and Circle of Doom I can say that DA2 felt like an amazing game compared to them.

[ladyiolanthe]

I'm pretty sure that the Grey Wardens are checking out the ancient thaig, possibly Kirkwall itself since it's apparently a gigantic magical sigil. The idol that Hawke found in the ancient thaig makes people hear beautiful music, then drives them into killing frenzies (happened to Bertrand and then Meredith, anyway). Sounds rather like what darkspawn experience, to me. Anything to do with darkspawn is by definition of interest to Grey Wardens, since they were founded and exist solely to eliminate them.

Also, OP, I'm wondering why you say there are a lot of dead Grey Wardens in the trailer? There is a fortress with griffon statues, which may be Weisshaupt or another Warden stronghold, and it's under attack, but I'm not seeing piles of corpses - I'm seeing a lot of figures still standing, and trying to figure out where the heck the fireballs are coming from...

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 22 juillet 2013 - 03:31 .

[ioannisdenton]

ames4u wrote...
I'm with you on that. But I'd also like to add that I also sour and detest on DA2 because Hawke could be completely removed from the game and nothing would've changed. He's the no-man of the series; as in No-man you aren't necessary to the plot at all.

Even better; What was the damn point of Hawke and his utterly worthless family anyway? He has no stake in the events that transpire once he's situated in the mansion and loses all of his family. Now don't get me wrong, I liked Leandra and Bethany (even Gamlen's daughter to an extent) but it's obvious they were nothing short of a tool to add pointless drama in when the writers deemed it necessary.
The lack of interaction with my companions was one of the worst thing Bioware could've done.

What? Hawke is the man behind all of hem. If i ask you with simplest question:
Whose fault is for what happened in Da2. The Idol? Anders? Petrice? Orsino and his ties with blood mages? Meredith? Bartrand and his expedition with the idol?
You just cannot answer.
Hawke is the link behind all these Events.
Hawke is the driving force.
Hawke is the one who helped anders not be discovered my templars and hawke is the one who made the expedition happen due to the misshapenings therefore the lyrium idol which drove Meredith crazy which led to the templar-mage conflict in kirkwal which led anders to blow up the chantry ,
hawke is the one who decided the if there was a conflict with the qunari by deciding what to do with isabela since Hawke earned the arishok's respect by all the previous adventures and encounters with tal vasoth etc.

The plot is GENIOUS. this is must be the best tied plot but in a small scale since there is no universal or galactic threat this time.
The plot is GENIOUS, as for the execution of the plot (which i also like) it could be way more well done

Modifié par ioannisdenton, 22 juillet 2013 - 09:24 .

[Angrywolves]

I am mystified by all the DA2 lovers who prefer a rushed game with all the flaws associated with it written by Gaider and his team sorta kinda like a tragedy where the protagonist hawke us doomed to fail.
Rolls eyes. Takes all kinds I guess.
$80 for DAI with Bioware's recent track record will kill preorders.
I'll definitely not buy until I read several good reviews.

[Kalas Magnus]

ames4u wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Didn't hate it. I have it a 7/10 but I am NOT going to excuse its faults the way you have.  Some of us paid full price for DA2 and it simplay was NOT worth the full $65.00.   

Act 2 was the best part but Act 1 was a linear piece of garbage. I wanted to see Lothering destruction. I wanted to feel it and experience it and instead we got a linear path.  And the only wayc ACT 3 is decent is with the DLC added to it

I would have happily paid 100 for it and not complained at all. I guess its all relative.

Well congratulations, you might just get your wish granted if the rumour
about EA's $80 price tag for their next gen games comes true. <_<

$80? 
Well thats it for me. Im not buying new games anymore. 
And there will probably be day 1-dlc on top of that too. 

[ioannisdenton]

Angrywolves wrote...

I am mystified by all the DA2 lovers who prefer a rushed game with all the flaws associated with it written by Gaider and his team sorta kinda like a tragedy where the protagonist hawke us doomed to fail.
Rolls eyes. Takes all kinds I guess.
$80 for DAI with Bioware's recent track record will kill preorders.
I'll definitely not buy until I read several good reviews.

the game itself beeing rushed and having faults does not disqualify it's story.
Why hawke was doomed to fail? where did he fail?
are you one of those that wanted Me3 to have a happy "i Win" ending?
this is an opinion of me regarding the quality of the story.

[Angrywolves]

Hawke failed because Gaider wanted it written that way.
There's an interesting post in the Gamefaqs forums about it.
You should read it.
Nothing Hawke did made any real difference.
If you liked the game that's fine.
I want my heroes to succeed and not fail.
We presume that Hawke was to be in the Divine March dlc and may have finally succeeded in some measure there but unless someone from Bioware tells us we'll never know.

[KiwiQuiche]

Maybe Bioware just wanted to give them a convenient excuse to leave after their random-ass cameo?

[KiwiQuiche]

ioannisdenton wrote...

ames4u wrote...
I'm with you on that. But I'd also like to add that I also sour and detest on DA2 because Hawke could be completely removed from the game and nothing would've changed. He's the no-man of the series; as in No-man you aren't necessary to the plot at all.

Even better; What was the damn point of Hawke and his utterly worthless family anyway? He has no stake in the events that transpire once he's situated in the mansion and loses all of his family. Now don't get me wrong, I liked Leandra and Bethany (even Gamlen's daughter to an extent) but it's obvious they were nothing short of a tool to add pointless drama in when the writers deemed it necessary.
The lack of interaction with my companions was one of the worst thing Bioware could've done.

What? Hawke is the man behind all of hem. If i ask you with simplest question:
Whose fault is for what happened in Da2. The Idol? Anders? Petrice? Orsino and his ties with blood mages? Meredith? Bartrand and his expedition with the idol?
You just cannot answer.
Hawke is the link behind all these Events.
Hawke is the driving force.
Hawke is the one who helped anders not be discovered my templars and hawke is the one who made the expedition happen due to the misshapenings therefore the lyrium idol which drove Meredith crazy which led to the templar-mage conflict in kirkwal which led anders to blow up the chantry ,
hawke is the one who decided the if there was a conflict with the qunari by deciding what to do with isabela since Hawke earned the arishok's respect by all the previous adventures and encounters with tal vasoth etc.

The plot is GENIOUS. this is must be the best tied plot but in a small scale since there is no universal or galactic threat this time.
The plot is GENIOUS, as for the execution of the plot (which i also like) it could be way more well done

So, Hawke basically caused every failure in DA2 because she's stupid and can't solve crap.
Hawke fails in everything she tries at. Tries to save her family, all dead. Too stupid to notice Isabela is a lying theif, too stupid to notice Anders going off his rocker, is useless in the fighting between Orsino and Meredith, stood there like a ****** with the Qunari and it goes on and on.
Shockingly, not a lot of people like playing as a clueless loser who fails at everything part from killing mooks.

And what the hell is a "genious"?

[ioannisdenton]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

ames4u wrote...
I'm with you on that. But I'd also like to add that I also sour and detest on DA2 because Hawke could be completely removed from the game and nothing would've changed. He's the no-man of the series; as in No-man you aren't necessary to the plot at all.

Even better; What was the damn point of Hawke and his utterly worthless family anyway? He has no stake in the events that transpire once he's situated in the mansion and loses all of his family. Now don't get me wrong, I liked Leandra and Bethany (even Gamlen's daughter to an extent) but it's obvious they were nothing short of a tool to add pointless drama in when the writers deemed it necessary.
The lack of interaction with my companions was one of the worst thing Bioware could've done.

What? Hawke is the man behind all of hem. If i ask you with simplest question:
Whose fault is for what happened in Da2. The Idol? Anders? Petrice? Orsino and his ties with blood mages? Meredith? Bartrand and his expedition with the idol?
You just cannot answer.
Hawke is the link behind all these Events.
Hawke is the driving force.
Hawke is the one who helped anders not be discovered my templars and hawke is the one who made the expedition happen due to the misshapenings therefore the lyrium idol which drove Meredith crazy which led to the templar-mage conflict in kirkwal which led anders to blow up the chantry ,
hawke is the one who decided the if there was a conflict with the qunari by deciding what to do with isabela since Hawke earned the arishok's respect by all the previous adventures and encounters with tal vasoth etc.

The plot is GENIOUS. this is must be the best tied plot but in a small scale since there is no universal or galactic threat this time.
The plot is GENIOUS, as for the execution of the plot (which i also like) it could be way more well done

So, Hawke basically caused every failure in DA2 because she's stupid and can't solve crap.
Hawke fails in everything she tries at. Tries to save her family, all dead. Too stupid to notice Isabela is a lying theif, too stupid to notice Anders going off his rocker, is useless in the fighting between Orsino and Meredith, stood there like a ****** with the Qunari and it goes on and on.
Shockingly, not a lot of people like playing as a clueless loser who fails at everything part from killing mooks.

And what the hell is a "genious"?

You do know i spelled wrong the word "genius". Let's bear with it.
The plot is genius if you take the time and think at how much the plot with the various quests are tied to each other.
The game is about Hawke:
A refugee from Lothering of Ferelden who came to Free marches in Kirkwall town and with EVERY action he made he he became a noble, then the kirkwall champion and then maybe the viscount.
His journey to power shaped the inevitable mages vs templars conflict.
As i said in Da2 the genius part is that you cannot solely blame One. Who is to blame?
The idol?
Meredith?
Orsino and his ties to blood mages?
The expedition?
Anders?
Isabella?
Hawke made it to the expedeiton and cause of his part in the expedition  the Idol was found.
Isabella had stolen the qunari tome only for the qunari to settle in kirkwall in order to rebel and kill the viscount in order for kirkwall to remain headless in order for lyrium-idol-corrupted Meredith to assume control in order to oppress the mages in order for Anders to blow up the chantry thus the conflict.
I do not know about you but this chain of events is fantastic to me as a gamer.
And i repeat myself : the execution could be better but the story itself is fantastic, one of the best.
Better than the cliche DaO (which i also loved ofcourse)

[Am1vf]

KiwiQuiche wrote...
(...)
Shockingly, not a lot of people like playing as a clueless loser who fails at everything part from killing mooks.
(...)

The only thing about that I don't like is the "killing mooks" part. I would like to be able to play as someone who is also bad at that (without the game stopping of course).

[dekkerd]

Am1_vf wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...
(...)
Shockingly, not a lot of people like playing as a clueless loser who fails at everything part from killing mooks.
(...)

The only thing about that I don't like is the "killing mooks" part. I would like to be able to play as someone who is also bad at that (without the game stopping of course).

support/healer Mage. The challenge is to not hit the awesome button at all, just run around with buffs and the occasional healing or revival. 

[Am1vf]

dekkerd wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...
(...)
Shockingly, not a lot of people like playing as a clueless loser who fails at everything part from killing mooks.
(...)

The only thing about that I don't like is the "killing mooks" part. I would like to be able to play as someone who is also bad at that (without the game stopping of course).

support/healer Mage. The challenge is to not hit the awesome button at all, just run around with buffs and the occasional healing or revival. 

Actually I recently started two playthroughs like that for that exact same reason (one in Origins and one in DA2), but it seems that allowing the companions to kill things and killing them yourself is not that different. And the healer skills are very limited.

[Angrywolves]

The plot certainly wasn't genius .
It's the major reason the game failed.imo.
Players want their heroes to succeed and prevail and not fail. That's elementary.

[rapscallioness]

What the Wardens are up to? $64,000.00 question. Cuz between seeing them during Qunari attack, and the whole bit w/Howe, it definitely points to them being up to something.

I would be disappointed--slightly-if it was just some stuff to put in the game.

We know from Nathaniel that they're Very interested in retracing Hawke's trip into the deep roads. The only thing of real consequence was that idol. Indeed, that idol is dangerous.

I wonder now abt the Meredith statue. I s it red lyrium, too? If so, they need to seal that thing away.

The devs also said that the scene in trailer of Cass stabbing the table/map was actually the Inquisition plotting and planning.

IF the scenes have any relation to each other, the Seekers are not attacking the Grey Wardens. The Inquisition is.