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[mikeymoonshine]

 So I always wondered if Bioware will ever confirm or deny the existence of the Maker in any form, I personally hope they never do. 

In most fantasy games there is some kind of deity or deities who generally are real and have somesort of effect on the story but not in Dragon Age. In Dragon Age the Maker existance is unknowable like the gods of the real world that also goes for all the other religions in Dragon age. 

I enjoyed the banter between Morrigan and Leliana in origins, Morrigans Atheism (more or less) was a brilliant addition to her character. 

However in DA2 hawke seemed kinda religious to me just from some of the stuff he or she said. 

What worries me is that in Origins we found the Sacred Ashes and they did have healing powers and in Legacy we learned that the golden city story was at least partly true. 

As an atheist myself most of the characters I play do not believe in the Maker and I don't love the idea of being told that they were wrong.  

So do you believe in the maker? Do you want him to be confirmed or denied? Or maybe you believe one of the other religions.

[Mike 9987]

I think there is truth to all religions in the DA universe in one way or another.

[mikeymoonshine]

Well yeah of course but Either one or non of them is true and I doubt they would be confirming the dalish religion if they were going to confirm one.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well Hawke is interesting case because he seems religious but still in 3 act when you help Anders you can yell at grand cleric that maker doesn't exist , in first act you can yell at her too that maker wasn't that who saved world from blight only hero of ferelden .

About Ashes oghren have theory that lyrium in mountain influenced on the ashes. http://social.biowar...index/1140388/1 pictures

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 20 juillet 2013 - 10:14 .

[mikeymoonshine]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well Hawke is interesting case because he seems religious but still in 3 act when you help Anders you can yell at grand cleric that maker doesn't exist , in first act you can yell at her too that maker wasn't that who saved world from blight only hero of ferelden .

About Ashes oghren have theory that lyrium in mountain influenced on the ashes. http://social.biowar...index/1140388/1 pictures

Well yeah you could certainly play him as an atheist but ocasionally he would just say something in ways that made him seem religious to me. it's funny that i can't quite remember what i just always got that feel. 

Oh and yeah it certainly doesn't mean that it's all true but it just seems like they could be going that way I don't wanna end up playing as the second coming of Andraste or something in a DA game. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well diplomatic hawke (good) have as battle cry "may andraste guide you" , also in one moment when you romance with merril after your mother's death game forces you to choose between two dialogues one religious second is for pric***. i heard that devs decided that they will leave to player whether they will belive that maker exist or not , so i guess they will never reveal that unless they changed their minds.

[DarkDragon777]

No.

[mikeymoonshine]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well diplomatic hawke (good) have as battle cry "may andraste guide you" , also in one moment when you romance with merril after your mother's death game forces you to choose between two dialogues one religious second is for pric***. i heard that devs decided that they will leave to player whether they will belive that maker exist or not , so i guess they will never reveal that unless they changed their minds.

Well that's good then I always liked that about the Dragon age. 

[Volus Warlord]

I want to shout "For the Maker!" as I shove my sword through an apostate mage's guts.

[EnerPrime]

I figure the Maker is nothing more than an exceptionally powerful fade spirit that gets it's kicks from people worshiping it.

[Angrywolves]

Yes, however it is highly unlikely Gaider will ever allow us to meet him/her.

[LobselVith8]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well Hawke is interesting case because he seems religious but still in 3 act when you help Anders you can yell at grand cleric that maker doesn't exist , in first act you can yell at her too that maker wasn't that who saved world from blight only hero of ferelden .

Hawke doesn't say that the Maker doesn't exist during Anders' Act III quest; he postulates that the Maker may or may not be real. The player isn't really given a choice to have Hawke say that he doesn't believe in the Maker, which was an option for The Warden in Origins and Awakening.

Hawke's religious dialogue has been brought up in other threads, where some players (like myself) expressed that we preferred having agency over what our protagonist believes in (as we did with The Warden) rather than having the developers dictate it for us, which is the impression many players had with Hawke given the religiously Andrastian dialogue (especially with Sebastian and during the death of Leandra).

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

About Ashes oghren have theory that lyrium in mountain influenced on the ashes. http://social.biowar...index/1140388/1 pictures

Yes, that is the alternative explanation given about the temple and the ashes, as Oghren points out that the pure and rich wall of lyrium is having an effect on everything in the temple, including the ashes.

[o Ventus]

I like to think s/he isn't.

Then again, I'm also an atheist. Regardless, I think it would make the setting more interesting if the Chantry and its teachings were founded on a lie.

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 juillet 2013 - 11:23 .

[Nole]

Of course he's real.

[Maria Caliban]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

 So I always wondered if Bioware will ever confirm or deny the existence of the Maker in any form, I personally hope they never do.

David has said on several occasions that they're not going to reveal the truth behind any religion in Thedas.

It's one of the reasons they don't have cleric or paladin classes that draw from divine energy.

[LobselVith8]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Well yeah you could certainly play him as an atheist but ocasionally he would just say something in ways that made him seem religious to me. it's funny that i can't quite remember what i just always got that feel.

A lot of players expressed the same feeling about Dragon Age II; I also never felt that you could play the Champion of Kirkwall as an atheist. Hawke could tell Merrill that Leandra was with the Maker (and he doesn't have an option to express an opposite point of view to this belief), he tells Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him (despite knowing that Feynriel doesn't believe in the Maker but follows the Creators), and there's his religiousy Andrastian dialogue with Sebastian, Prince of Starkhaven and former member of the Kirkwall Chantry.

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Oh and yeah it certainly doesn't mean that it's all true but it just seems like they could be going that way I don't wanna end up playing as the second coming of Andraste or something in a DA game. 

Considering how abhorrent the Maker is in the Chantry fables, I think there are quite a few players who feel the same way.

[Mr.House]

I doubt Bioware will ever comfirm if the Maker is real or not, just hints and theories to fuel the debate. Though one interesting timbit on this that should be taken into account.

Cory: You promised us the power of the gods.

Notice he says gods, not god in the golden city.

[o Ventus]

Mr.House wrote...

Cory: You promised us the power of the gods.

Notice he says gods, not god in the golden city.

I think he was referring to the other Old Gods in that particular sentence, seeing that he's addressing Dumat, who is an Old God.

If not, then "the gods" (notice the lack of capitalization) could also just be a generic name for "really powerful magic".

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 juillet 2013 - 11:37 .

[mikeymoonshine]

LobselVith8 wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Well yeah you could certainly play him as an atheist but ocasionally he would just say something in ways that made him seem religious to me. it's funny that i can't quite remember what i just always got that feel.

A lot of players expressed the same feeling about Dragon Age II; I also never felt that you could play the Champion of Kirkwall as an atheist. Hawke could tell Merrill that Leandra was with the Maker (and he doesn't have an option to express an opposite point of view to this belief), he tells Feynriel that he hopes the Maker guides him (despite knowing that Feynriel doesn't believe in the Maker but follows the Creators), and there's his religiousy Andrastian dialogue with Sebastian, Prince of Starkhaven and former member of the Kirkwall Chantry.

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Oh and yeah it certainly doesn't mean that it's all true but it just seems like they could be going that way I don't wanna end up playing as the second coming of Andraste or something in a DA game. 

Considering how abhorrent the Maker is in the Chantry fables, I think there are quite a few players who feel the same way.

The Chantry to me always seemed like the catholic Church. That has to be what they are based on right? it's allot of the same crap you get from them. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Maria Caliban wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

 So I always wondered if Bioware will ever confirm or deny the existence of the Maker in any form, I personally hope they never do.

David has said on several occasions that they're not going to reveal the truth behind any religion in Thedas.

It's one of the reasons they don't have cleric or paladin classes that draw from divine energy.

Thanks I hadn't ever read much about it but it seemed like an interesting discussion to have regardless. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Mr.House wrote...

I doubt Bioware will ever comfirm if the Maker is real or not, just hints and theories to fuel the debate. Though one interesting timbit on this that should be taken into account.

Cory: You promised us the power of the gods.

Notice he says gods, not god in the golden city.

Well yeah i hope they don't because it does a brilliant job of mimicking how organised religion and personal faith works in the real world. Plus ofc there is the fact that the existance of any god can never be dissproved entirely. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well warden can't say outright that he doesn't belive in maker more suggest that like by refusing blessing or in mage case tell chantry priest that you don't need their chantry.As i know in noble origin you can tell that you think that maker abandoned world.I don't know maybe i missed some dialogues. I don't renember that in awakening was any religious dialogues. I think that is same in Hawke case he suggest that he doesn't belive and that "may andraste guide you" i treat like that hawke casts spells and no one knows that.

[Mr.House]

o Ventus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Cory: You promised us the power of the gods.

Notice he says gods, not god in the golden city.

I think he was referring to the other Old Gods in that particular sentence, seeing that he's addressing Dumat, who is an Old God.

Cory is speeking about the golden city and what was told to be in there. Dumat and the old gods where not in the golden city, so it would not make sense for him to be talknig about the old gods in that sentace. It's very possible the golden city was in fact the location of the elven gods which would make alot more sense and fit what Cory is talking about.

Then again, I do not beleive the Maker is anything other then a powerful spirit that simply created the veil and merged with Andraste.