I subscribe to the theory that the Maker is Fen'Harel.
The Maker, is he real?
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mikeymoonshine
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#52
Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 03:37
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Agreed. I doubt the entity created humans and elves, but if you suscribe to the Maker=Fen'Harel and Old Gods=Forgotten Ones than he sealed the Old Gods/Forgotten Ones beneath the Earth and created the Veil to seal away the Creators, which pretty much allowed humans and elves to safely exist on Thedas.Rolling Flame wrote...
I subscribe to the theory that the Maker is Fen'Harel.
It also creates an interesting situation, since the Old Gods called to the proto-Imperium and had them destroy the elves, and then, according to Corephyeus, had them invade the Golden/Black City. One more blow against their old enemies using human puppets, perhaps?
#53
Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 05:54
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TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well Hawke is interesting case because he seems religious but still in 3 act when you help Anders you can yell at grand cleric that maker doesn't exist , in first act you can yell at her too that maker wasn't that who saved world from blight only hero of ferelden .
About Ashes oghren have theory that lyrium in mountain influenced on the ashes. http://social.biowar...index/1140388/1 pictures
.... being religious or not, doesn't stop athiets from saying things like"goddamnit" when something goes wrong. its just a saying.
its up to the player to pick if they are followers or not.
It was pretty much the same way in DA:O
#54
Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 07:58
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mikeymoonshine wrote...
What worries me is that in Origins we found the Sacred Ashes and they did have healing powers and in Legacy we learned that the golden city story was at least partly true.
If you take Oghren with you to the ashes, he mentions how the mountain is a hotbed of lyrium, which could explain all the weirdness there. As for the Golden city, yes there's history that there was a golden city that turned black. That hardly means that the maker exists. Religions incorporate things seen in the world around into their stories and claim their god is responsible for them.
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Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 08:06
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Rolling Flame wrote...
I subscribe to the theory that the Maker is Fen'Harel.
I find that theory interesting and highly plausible. I would rather they never outright confirm it, however.
#56
Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 11:58
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True, though since Old Gods are related to the Maker lore, it means that the Maker is too a overgrown lizard. Which can shapeshift in the old lady that helped the Warden and the Champion.MisterJB wrote...
Spending an entire game sistematically destroying elven culture? Best. Dragon Age. Ever.
Do it, Bioware. "Your god is an overgrown lizard that I can kill with a sharp piece of metal. Nahnahnah."
It's not far-fetched that the Maker and the Dread Wolf are the same being, since Human and elven religion seem to be part of the same story. And since Flemeth is a dragon shapeshifter, and one of her 'daugher' know the supposed truth about dragons (who were seemed to be sealed above earth, like the Gods in the elven pantheon), and she thaught another daughter to save the soul of an Old God, it seem the theory Flemeth-Maker-Fen'harel is possibile and reasonable.
I don't think the Maker and the elven Gods exist as different entities (if they even exist). Either one of the lore is correct, or they are part of the same lore.
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#58
Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 03:03
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as in real life that is for you to decide
#59
Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 04:39
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Nightdragon8 wrote...
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Well Hawke is interesting case because he seems religious but still in 3 act when you help Anders you can yell at grand cleric that maker doesn't exist , in first act you can yell at her too that maker wasn't that who saved world from blight only hero of ferelden .
About Ashes oghren have theory that lyrium in mountain influenced on the ashes. http://social.biowar...index/1140388/1 pictures
.... being religious or not, doesn't stop athiets from saying things like"goddamnit" when something goes wrong. its just a saying.
That's not what people are talking about.
#60
Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 04:48
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I kinda hope it remains a mystery. Things will probably turn into a major sh*tstorm in DA:I as it is. Adding the Maker to the mix may be a bit over the top. It may be possible that we see some kind of "divine intervention" however, what with that gigantic veil tear...
#61
Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 06:09
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Oh Jesus Christ. Another one of these topics.
Well I want to be a Muslim in the game but I can't so we can't have everything OP.
"Allah Akbar mages!" ~ My inquisitor who can never be.
And before anyone whines at me. These topics about The Maker being real always inevitably descend into RL religious debate hence my whining on this matter.
So...
inb4thewar
Well I want to be a Muslim in the game but I can't so we can't have everything OP.
"Allah Akbar mages!" ~ My inquisitor who can never be.
And before anyone whines at me. These topics about The Maker being real always inevitably descend into RL religious debate hence my whining on this matter.
So...
inb4thewar
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#62
Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 08:17
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mikeymoonshine wrote...
Well yeah of course but Either one or non of them is true and I doubt they would be confirming the dalish religion if they were going to confirm one.
Why can't more than one Thedas religion be true? That smacks of real-world dogma to me. There really is no reason why all the different gods we learn about in Dragon Age could not exist simultaneously, although the different fictional religious leaders would probably have you believe otherwise.
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Posté 21 juillet 2013 - 10:15
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Bioware would never explicitly state that the Maker is real. That would be too controversial nowadays. It will never be confirmed or denied.
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Posté 22 juillet 2013 - 05:57
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Well there is the Black City in the Fade, so chances are there is something in there. Whether or not its the Maker is completely up to debate.
#65
Posté 22 juillet 2013 - 07:37
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EdgeSanity wrote...
Bioware would never explicitly state that the Maker is real. That would be too controversial nowadays. It will never be confirmed or denied.
I agree, but what's wrong with a little controversy?
#66
Posté 22 juillet 2013 - 03:34
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Yes. He is voiced by Eddie Van Halen.
#67
Posté 22 juillet 2013 - 03:38
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Pretty sure the Maker is real.
Who, what, and where the Maker is are completely different questons, however.
Who, what, and where the Maker is are completely different questons, however.
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Posté 22 juillet 2013 - 03:51
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Isn't the belief in the Maker limited to - ehm - humans? and maybe city dwelling elves? The Dwarfs and the Dalish elves believes in other thing; Dwarven religion says they come from the Stone, and the Dalish elves worship their elders, don't they?
If the Maker is real or not is subject for debate; I'm not sure of it myself (in the DA universe that is).
Corypheus did say that the Golden City already was black when the Magisters from Orlais finally traveled there. Maybe the Maker, if he/she indeed is real decided to leave the Golden City a long a long time ago, even before the Magister went there, thus turning it black.
My most qualified guess is that the Maker is indeed Fen'Harel/Flemeth...and that somehow Leliana, Morrigan and the Old God Baby (OGB) fits into this somehow and somewhere....
But yes, I also do remember Gaider saying something like the people in Thedas are unsure of whether the Maker is real or not. And I do believe that my Hawke made a rather rude remark to the Grand Cleric in chapter 1 or chapter 2 in DA2 abut the maker...
If the Maker is real or not is subject for debate; I'm not sure of it myself (in the DA universe that is).
Corypheus did say that the Golden City already was black when the Magisters from Orlais finally traveled there. Maybe the Maker, if he/she indeed is real decided to leave the Golden City a long a long time ago, even before the Magister went there, thus turning it black.
My most qualified guess is that the Maker is indeed Fen'Harel/Flemeth...and that somehow Leliana, Morrigan and the Old God Baby (OGB) fits into this somehow and somewhere....
But yes, I also do remember Gaider saying something like the people in Thedas are unsure of whether the Maker is real or not. And I do believe that my Hawke made a rather rude remark to the Grand Cleric in chapter 1 or chapter 2 in DA2 abut the maker...
#69
Posté 22 juillet 2013 - 04:27
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I believe the Maker exists, but not at all how the Chantry portrays "him." I think it is quite possible that the Maker is a demon or spirit that is quite powerful. This may not even be a malevolent spirit/demon. It may even believe itself it is THE Maker.
We've seen proof that a powerful demon can be become confused about its own nature. Just look at the rhyming tree. Such a being does not tie directly to any discernible trait of the known demon/spirit pantheon, yet we know it is a tree fused with a demon/spirit from the Fade. It has no recollection of its origin or existence before becoming the tree. It does not even perceive itself as a spirit in a tree - it IS a spirit tree, nothing more, nothing less.
It's concerns are those of a tree - protecting its seed above all else. Yet its wisdom and knowledge is that of an eternal spirit - it knows of the Fade and the nature of spirits and demons in a vague, broad manner.
So who is to say that the Maker is not a powerful spirit that simply believes its own lie? That it truly forged the world into existence? That it made both mankind and spirits alike? That it appeared to Andraste and made her its holy bride?
If the devs were to ever "reveal" the Maker in the games (which I doubt they would do), I'd say it will be in a fashion similar to this, where it is a being of power, but not the mythical Maker that the humans have made it out to be. Otherwise, they run the risk of the inevitable comparisons to per epitome of our own RL dieties and all of the nasty implications that can go along with it.
We've seen proof that a powerful demon can be become confused about its own nature. Just look at the rhyming tree. Such a being does not tie directly to any discernible trait of the known demon/spirit pantheon, yet we know it is a tree fused with a demon/spirit from the Fade. It has no recollection of its origin or existence before becoming the tree. It does not even perceive itself as a spirit in a tree - it IS a spirit tree, nothing more, nothing less.
It's concerns are those of a tree - protecting its seed above all else. Yet its wisdom and knowledge is that of an eternal spirit - it knows of the Fade and the nature of spirits and demons in a vague, broad manner.
So who is to say that the Maker is not a powerful spirit that simply believes its own lie? That it truly forged the world into existence? That it made both mankind and spirits alike? That it appeared to Andraste and made her its holy bride?
If the devs were to ever "reveal" the Maker in the games (which I doubt they would do), I'd say it will be in a fashion similar to this, where it is a being of power, but not the mythical Maker that the humans have made it out to be. Otherwise, they run the risk of the inevitable comparisons to per epitome of our own RL dieties and all of the nasty implications that can go along with it.
